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Old Posted Jul 5, 2019, 5:37 PM
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212 Slater St | 69m | 21f | Proposed

A site plan application has been submitted by Broccollini Inc., to permit the development of a 21 storey building with residential units. The building consists of 162 one and two bedroom units with three (3) storeys dedicated to amenities for residents. The ground floor offers a retail facility, residence lobby, storage facilies, building services and access to an automated car parking system (for visitors). Bicycle parking is also catered for with indoor spaces within the building. Indoor amenity areas are provided in levels 2-4. A basement provides space for further storage cells, bicycle parking and building utilities.

Architect: ...you guessed it!

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https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans...appId=__BIPQ48

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Old Posted Jul 5, 2019, 5:53 PM
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Definitely not the quality they produce in Montreal (Victoria sur le Parc, l'avenue), but then again, it's Ottawa. At least it's not a chubby cube.
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None of the units have balconies, interesting.
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that is a lot of floor area for the lot size, impressed.

I think this would be ottawa's second automated parking facility, after windmill's The Eddy.
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Who does the parking lot behind the building belong to that they're building such a large access lane? The unfortunate thing with this building is they're removing 2 of the 3 retail spaces here, and building an access lane that is wider than the retail space they're proposing! Surely, their could be a deal were that parking lot is removed and have two retail frontages instead. Turn that parking lot into a private greenspace for the businesses and tenants.

I'm surprised, but sort of excited for a building to be built here. I thought that it could be a good spot for a boutique hotel or something else (residential is great, too). The building is pretty bland though. I wish they could have done something much more exciting, especially considering it's beside a plaza and visible from Bank Street.
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The design is o.k. Better than the other Lahey building proposed behind Capital Hill Hotel & Suites. I just don't like to see old retail store fronts demolished when we have acres of parking just sitting there. I would have liked that entire block of older buildings between BMO and Bank preserved.
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Who does the parking lot behind the building belong to that they're building such a large access lane? The unfortunate thing with this building is they're removing 2 of the 3 retail spaces here, and building an access lane that is wider than the retail space they're proposing! Surely, their could be a deal were that parking lot is removed and have two retail frontages instead. Turn that parking lot into a private greenspace for the businesses and tenants.

I'm surprised, but sort of excited for a building to be built here. I thought that it could be a good spot for a boutique hotel or something else (residential is great, too). The building is pretty bland though. I wish they could have done something much more exciting, especially considering it's beside a plaza and visible from Bank Street.
looking at geoottawa the land and preserved ROW is for 153, 157, and 161 Bank Street (161 Bank is the Jack Layton Building/NDP HQ).
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If it gets more people living in the CBD I can't really be against it. Average design, an upgrade over the current property.

I'm also interested in the future office building mentioned in the map picture where the current parking garage is.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2019, 7:42 PM
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If it gets more people living in the CBD I can't really be against it. Average design, an upgrade over the current property.

I'm also interested in the future office building mentioned in the map picture where the current parking garage is.
The office tower was proposed in 2007. Last "update" was a rendering waterloowarrior found in 2009.

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here's a render from David S. McRobie Architects

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that is a lot of floor area for the lot size, impressed.

I think this would be ottawa's second automated parking facility, after windmill's The Eddy.
St Charles Market will have as well.
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The design is o.k. Better than the other Lahey building proposed behind Capital Hill Hotel & Suites. I just don't like to see old retail store fronts demolished when we have acres of parking just sitting there. I would have liked that entire block of older buildings between BMO and Bank preserved.
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looking at geoottawa the land and preserved ROW is for 153, 157, and 161 Bank Street (161 Bank is the Jack Layton Building/NDP HQ).
Wow, quite the accommodation for just a few parking spots for another building. Considering it's right downtown (the most downtown one can get), near two perpendicular bike lanes and not far from an LRT station and a multilevel parking garage (that maybe will be demolished) and an underground parking garage, those parking spaces are not necessary. They should be prioritizing keeping the retail spaces over an access lane wider than the proposed retail space... Not very forward thinking, but typic of Autowa. Also, get rid of the service parking on the plaza in front of BMO and redo that space to make a good urban spot.
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I've given it some thought, and I've decided that I quite hate this proposal. Not because of it's prominence, but because the design itself is terrible, it's eliminate 2 retail spots just off of Bank Street and reducing another in size, and because it prioritizes parking more than anything. At such an important location downtown, the standard for architectural and urban design needs to be much higher.

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First, let's talk about the existing brick building. It looks to have been a 3-storey residential building with a carriageway beneath it. At some point the 3rd floor as seen in the picture below, the third floor seems to have disappeared and some of the architectural detailing, like the tympanum above the middle window was lost. The ground floors would have been renovated with an addition added to bump out the front for 3 retail spaces. The carriage way is narrow enough that one car can pass at a time.



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This proposal suggests a 3-storey brick podium that nods to the original building they wish to demolish. They will only construct space for one shop, they will widen the carriageway so that two cars can fit side-by-side, and the main entrance into the building will be accessed from Slater, where C'est au Japon/ Suisha Gardens is located. It's unacceptable that they would eliminate 2 of the businesses on this site, which is just off one of Ottawa's most important retail streets for parking access and an entrance. It's silly that, in order to preserve 9 parking spots and build 6 for the building that they would propose such a wide carriage way. There should be no parking for this building, given it's location in the centre of downtown where driving is not necessary and where there are bike lanes and LRT stations (and buses), coupled with how few parking spots are even provided. The developer should have spoken to those in the Jack Layton Building about buying out the parking lot behind the site and eliminating those spots.

They could have looked at redesigning the podium to include the existing building or design a new podium identical to the original 3-storey building, taking a page out of 22 Eddy or 90 George. By eliminating the parking spaces, they can move the entrance to the building inside the the carriageway, thus preserving space for 3 retail spots along Slater and using the carriageway to mark the primary entrance to building. The parking in behind could be turned into a courtyard greenspace for residents. I believe it is critical we preserve retail spaces in Ottawa, especially downtown on or around commercial main streets like Bank. This project should keep them. In the site plan, the carriageway for the cars is around 6m (if I read it correctly), while the sole retail spot is only 5.24m wide. That's unacceptable. The podium design is also so banal that hardly any thought went into its design. In fact, they propose 8 windows along the front when the original had only 7!

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The podium also is incredibly lacklustre. It's right beside a (presently subpar) urban plaza and right around the corner of Bank Street such that it will be especially visible to any person walking along Bank or sitting in the plaza. As they propose a significant amount of glazing on the west side, I hazard a guess that they don't expect a developer to purchase the Sunburst Building to propose a highrise ever. Thus, it will never be blocked. Under these conditions, the architectural design needs to be stellar. This is where the architect needs to be a visionary and create a tower that stands out beautifully. The options are endless, but you can have curved walls that undulate like Hariri Pontarini's building in Toronto that integrated a new midrise with heritage houses; they could rotate the floorplates every few floors. They could add balconies in certain spots to create interesting projections from the wall like 56 Leonard, or they could add and subtract volumes from the initial rectangle like MahaNakhon. They can play with colours and materials. Literally, the options are endless. This site is downtown, incredibly prominent from certain important locations that architectural design needs to be much higher.

I may send an edited version of this to Councillor McKenney as this needs to be understood and voiced lest we get stuck with another "carbuncle". Ottawa is regularly saddled with poor designs. We have so much potential, but the architects (and developers) don't seem to care or aren't capable of producing good quality designs. It's time we demand and get better!
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2019, 11:47 AM
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^ Great points... just a correction to the above. They are providing 18 visitor parking spaces on site (a minimum of 15 visitor spaces are required by the zoning by-law), with 0 resident parking. There is an automated stacked parking system (6x3 spaces). Plus it looks like there is a ROW so they would legally be required to provide access to the existing parking lot on the adjacent property to the south (existing appears to be around 2.1-3.5m wide).

Didn't review the plans/by-law in detail but 6m-6.7m is the standard minimum width in zoning for a two-way access, although there are exemptions for parking garages of <20 spaces where they could do down to 3.6m for garage/3m for single lane access to parking lots. https://ottawa.ca/en/part-4-parking-...way-provisions

see discussion here http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=239528
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