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36 Robinson Ave | 27m | 9f | Completed

TC United is proposing to develop the the property municipally known as 36 Robinson Avenue with a nine-storey apartment building containing 191 residential units. An underground parking garage, which will connect to Robinson Avenue by means of a 6-metre-wide driveway ramp, will provide 74 parking spaces and 100 bicycle parking spaces. A total of 2,112m2 of amenity space is distributed across the ground floor (a gym and lounge), the second floor (a lounge/co-working area), a rooftop terrace, private balconies for north-facing units, and south-facing private patios for ground-floor units.

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Looks good. They would need to build a more direct pedestrian link to Lees Station though. The paths that exist today give us a 700 meter walk from this address to Lees while the station is only 390 meters as the crow flies.

Also, I believe Lees only has an entrance facing the existing Lees Towers on the west side, correct? We could save an extra 50 meters walk by roughing in a second entrance on the east side.
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Always love those “but everyone else will only build exactly what is in the plan” future context renders when asking for an upzone.

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A little much height given that its too far back. The CDP for the area reflects this.
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Always love those “but everyone else will only build exactly what is in the plan” future context renders when asking for an upzone.
This proposal is height compliant. In fact they're compliant with everything except parking spots:


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My mistake. Odd how they got 9, when the other sites only got 6.
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My mistake. Odd how they got 9, when the other sites only got 6.
I'm not so sure that its a case of them "getting" 9 stories as much it is them just adhering to the City's master plan:







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I meant that it's surprising to me that this lot, deeper into the neighbourhood, was planned and approved for 50% more height than the properties at the entrance (or "the gateway" as the planners like to style them) into the neighbourhood, at the NW corner of Robinson and Hurdman.
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I find this, and TC United's plans for this area as a whole to be most interesting. This mid-rise style of development is exactly what Sandy Hill needs more of. My only concern would be connectivity, both to transit and the rest of the city (on foot). Its been mentioned here before that Robinson Village is a bit inaccessible. I hope that there would be some attempt make Lees Avenue more pedestrian friendly. Also considering the UOttawa plan for the Lees campus, this should become a much more interesting area in the near future...
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I'm very familiar with that property. The views from the high-floors on the north side, and the rooftop terrace will be stunning. Minus the grocery store situation, this will be a kick-ass tenant location.
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I find this, and TC United's plans for this area as a whole to be most interesting. This mid-rise style of development is exactly what Sandy Hill needs more of. My only concern would be connectivity, both to transit and the rest of the city (on foot). Its been mentioned here before that Robinson Village is a bit inaccessible. I hope that there would be some attempt make Lees Avenue more pedestrian friendly. Also considering the UOttawa plan for the Lees campus, this should become a much more interesting area in the near future...
Yeah, UOttawa Master Plan does propose a bridge to Lees Station from the semi-circle between Robinson Avenue and Lees Avenue. It is Action #9 on the image below:



The bridge's exact location and execution will determine whether it helps connectivity with the Robinson Avenue neighbourhood further east...
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The new renderings look great and the style fits in well with the other buildings being proposed. This neighborhood is going to be really nice after all this development. Quiet but still connected to the urban core through Lees Station.
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Agreed, love the look of this. This would be great for other places like Bank St South or King Edward.

Those are some small units though... 1 bdr are all under 600sq ft. Once you get into those 400-500sq ft spaces, you're basically buying a hotel room.
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Agreed, love the look of this. This would be great for other places like Bank St South or King Edward.

Those are some small units though... 1 bdr are all under 600sq ft. Once you get into those 400-500sq ft spaces, you're basically buying a hotel room.
I suspect they are doing that to keep rents low for uOttawa student tenants. Given the proximity to Lees Campus.
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Secluded Sandy Hill community could undergo 'biggest change' from proposed developments

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 16, 2020


A secluded neighbourhood in Sandy Hill is being eyed for hundreds of new rental units, causing some residents to worry that the community will undergo a stark transformation, possibly involving more student housing.

Robinson Village might be Sandy Hill’s most geographically isolated residential area, sandwiched between a field, the Rideau River and the Queensway at the southernmost end of the community. The University of Ottawa’s main campus is to the northwest and the school’s Lees campus is to the south.

A local development company would construct four multi-unit buildings if it secures political approval at city hall.

“People are very concerned in the area about what’s going on,” said Wendy Duschenes, who has lived on Robinson Avenue since 1982. “People are really devoted to this neighbourhood.”

It’s another example of a Sandy Hill neighbourhood adjusting to developers jumping on opportunities in a strong market for student rental housing.

In fact, there’s citywide demand for more rental housing, period.

A report released Wednesday by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. said the city’s vacancy rate was 1.8 per cent last October. The Sandy Hill/Lowertown vacancy rate was 2.7 per cent, which was an increase from 1.2 per cent in October 2018.

When it comes to Robinson Avenue, one development application calls for a nine-storey apartment building with 190 units to be built at 36 Robinson Ave. Another application has plans for three separate six-storey apartment buildings with 46 units in each building. The three blocks of sites would be 17, 19 and 23 Robinson Ave., 27, 29 and 31 Robinson Ave. and 130, 134 and 138 Robinson Ave.

In all, the proposed developments would add 328 units to the neighbourhood, potentially doubling the number of people living in there.

Public comments received by the city express fear that the buildings will be meant for student rentals rather than long-term rentals. However, the city can’t make land-use decisions based on the demographics of people who would live at a property.

A group of investors is behind the development proposals. Dylan Desjardins, the development manager at TC United, is managing the project. Desjardins said the buildings will not be marketed to students.

“We want young professionals,” Desjardins said, adding that he can understand why residents might assume the developments are geared toward students, considering the proximity to the university.

“We’re not going to jam a bunch of students in there.”

The key, Desjardins said, is to “leverage the LRT” and attract residents who can use the rail system.

”We would like people to join our community,” Duschenes said, noting the neighbourhood has excellent access to recreation activities, like parks and the path network along the Rideau River. “This is an ideal place for families to come.”

Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury has been railing against the threat of “bunkhouses” that jam several renters into single units, and what he considers over-development of properties. Fleury called the proposal for the six-storey buildings “bunkhouse 2.0.”

Residents of Robinson Village are especially sensitive about packing more cars into the neighbourhood, which only has one road connecting it to the rest of the city.

The plans for the six-storey apartment buildings call for a reduction in the minimum parking requirements of 17 spots each. Instead, each building would have three parking spots, mostly meant for visitors.

As for the proposed nine-storey building, the parking requirement would be reduced to 53 spaces from the current minimum of 81 spaces.

Fleury is concerned by the lack of resident parking spaces for the six-storey buildings, even though he supports transit-orientated development approaches that de-emphasize car transportation.

Robinson Village doesn’t have amenities, like a grocery store, that are in easy walking distance.

Fleury said it’s “unrealistic” that people living at the buildings would have zero vehicles.

If they do bring vehicles, there’s only one option left for parking: the road.

The builder can receive the city’s go-ahead to reduce the parking requirements because the development area is within 800 metres of Lees Station. The city considers communities near LRT stops prime candidates for intensification, since there’s a higher chance of people taking the train.

The city in 2014 studied the area around Lees Station, including Robinson Village, for transit-orientated development opportunities, with high-rise buildings considered as a possibility for the public works yard, if the city ever wants to ends its operations there. The city thought six storeys would be a suitable maximum height for most of the western part of the village.

When a former landowner subsequently appealed the zoning for 36 Robinson Ave. to the former Ontario Municipal Board, the city and owner crafted a settlement that ended up with the OMB allowing nine storeys on the property.

Duschenes said if the buildings are meant for students, the whole exercise of getting new residents to use the LRT system could be pointless since it might be faster to walk to the campus than the LRT station.

Because of the separated nature of the neighbourhood, there’s an awkward walking route to Lees Station, which is on the other side of the Queensway.

David Elden, a 20-year resident of Robinson Avenue, said the community is on the cusp of a major transformation because of the proposed developments.

“This will be the biggest change by far,” Elden said.

Elden, a board member of the Action Sandy Hill community association, said there has been an improvement to the types of units in the proposed developments, which he said were initially dominated by studio and one-bedroom apartments, but there’s still unease about having a nine-storey building “loom” over the neighbourhood.

While he acknowledges students have to live somewhere, Elden said there’s a fear Robinson Village will become a “monoculture” of student rentals.

“I don’t think anyone would say they’re anti-student,” Elden said, “and they genuinely aren’t.”

The planning committee is scheduled to consider the development applications on Jan. 23.

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“People are very concerned in the area about what’s going on,” said Wendy Duschenes, who has lived on Robinson Avenue since 1982. “People are really devoted to this neighbourhood.”

Gotta love NIMBYs that live next to a university worrying about students being nearby.

“I don’t think anyone would say they’re anti-student,” Elden said, “and they genuinely aren’t.”

They just don't want anyone that's not like them in the neighbourhood.
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'Isolated' Sandy Hill development approved with limited parking
Residents gathered 92 signatures in opposition

Laura Osman · CBC News
Posted: Jan 23, 2020 4:21 PM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago




The city's planning committee has approved four new student-focused apartment buildings in an "isolated" portion of Sandy Hill, despite significant opposition from the community over a lack of parking.

Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury described the area along Robinson Avenue, cradled between Hwy. 417 and the Rideau River, as a remote single-road neighbourhood with only one street in and out.

If council approves the committee's recommendation, the small neighbourhood will see 328 new units on the street, but with fewer parking spaces than the city's rules require.

While each of the six-storey buildings are required to have 17 parking spaces under the city's rules, the project was approved despite having only three each. The nine-storey building the developer proposed that requires 81 spaces was approved with only 53.

Instead, the developer offered one bike parking spot per unit.

Fleury, who represents the area, put forward a motion to hold the developer to the required 132 required parking spaces, but he was voted down seven to one, with only River ward Coun. Riley Brockington supporting him.

Community members gathered 92 signatures for a petition against the proposal because of the lack of parking, while also expressing concerns about building rental units geared toward students.

The residents were represented Thursday by lawyer Scott McAnsh, who told planning committee it's not realistic to think people will be able to do without a car in the neighbourhood.

For example, the community is a 24-minute walk to the nearest grocery store, he said.

"Being so isolated and removed from services means people who move there are likely to come with a car," McAnsh said.

Without adequate parking, those residents will probably park on the already limited spaces on the street — an extra "pressure that's [been] dumped on the community," said McAnsh.

A consultant hired by the developer, however, suggested increasing density in the area would attract more amenities, like grocery stores.

"That synergy will come," said Kersten Nitsche with Fotenn Planning and Design.

"We're providing that density to support those future amenities. Really, we're just looking at parking today."

The developer argued the buildings will be only about an eight-minute walk to the nearby Lees LRT station, but Fleury explained the route is not very walkable, especially in the winter.

In 2014, the city voted to keep the established parking requirements in place, despite the proximity of the LRT line — and even as it waived the requirements on nearby streets.

Fleury said that's because city staff at the time recognized the unique nature of the Robinson Village neighbourhood.

He can't understand why they've now changed their minds and are recommending the project go ahead with less parking.

"It's inconsistent," Fleury said.

The building will be geared toward students, according to the city's report, and will include studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom units.

City council will debate the proposal next week.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/robinson-village-parking-1.5438117
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City of Ottawa must put the priority on people, not parking
This idea of development so that everyone is within a short walking or biking distance of grocery stores and other essentials is known as the “15-minute neighbourhood” and it's one of the guiding principles behind our Official Plan.

Brigitte Pellerin, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 30, 2020


You never know when you’re in a transition period until it’s over, and I expect one day we’ll look back and realize now is when things really started to shift. Maybe that’s wishful thinking on my part, but I do hope 2020 will be the year we finally started moving away from a car-centric way of living to a people-centric one.

I follow these things and I can guarantee it’s happening elsewhere on a regular basis. The latest example I saw was Auckland in New Zealand, which seems to be getting things very right indeed. We’ll love it when we get there ourselves, I can promise you that, even though there is plenty of griping to go around today.

Take Robinson Village in Sandy Hill. It’s described in news stories as “secluded” because there’s only one road leading in and out of the small enclave nestled between the Rideau River, the Queensway and some field.

Except it’s a short walk from the Lees LRT stop and the University of Ottawa campus. Not exactly the middle of nowhere.

The area is in the news these days because the city’s planning committee gave the go-ahead to new apartment buildings geared towards students.

We’re talking 300-odd units in four buildings. Under normal rules, the developer would have to build 132 parking spaces divided among those buildings. We call this “minimum parking requirements” and it’s a rule that belongs in the same era as your favourite boomer’s Betacam.

The city approved the plan with fewer parking spots; only 62 in total. The developer instead offered to build one bike parking space per unit.

Apparently people are upset. I really don’t get it.

It’s one thing to worry your neighbourhood will not feel the same if suddenly there are apartment buildings where there didn’t use to be. It’s quite another to oppose the development because there aren’t more parking spaces.

Even Coun. Mathieu Fleury, who is normally much more sensible about these things, opposed the development for that reason, saying it’s “unrealistic” to think residents of those buildings won’t have cars. Others fear all those vehicles will end up parked on the street. At City Council on Wednesday, he and his colleague, Riley Brockington, voted against the plan. But it went through anyway.

Good. First of all, parking spaces aren’t for people. They’re for cars, and we should think of those last. Second of all, if on-street parking is what worries you, it’s easy enough to ban it. Something I wish would be done right where I live on Craig Henry, by the way, as parked cars block the bike lane on both sides every day of the year.

And third, if the issue in Robinson Village is that there aren’t enough grocery stores and other necessary amenities nearby for people to get what they need on foot, I suggest we encourage their proliferation locally instead of making it easier for residents to drive everywhere.

This idea, of having all you need for your daily life, within a short walking or biking distance of where you live, is known as the “15-minute neighbourhood” and it happens to be one of the guiding principles behind the new City of Ottawa Official Plan.

“The City’s goal of growing within established communities also means supporting the evolution of those communities into walkable 15-minute neighbourhoods with a diverse mix of land uses, including a range of housing, shops, services, local access to food, schools, employment, parks, green spaces and pathways,” explains the document. And this applies everywhere, not just downtown.

All residential developments built in the last several decades have that in common – that they’re nothing but housing. No store, no community centre, no library, nothing but private residences. As a result, we humans need cars for everything, even to get milk. It’s a ridiculous way to live, as you’ll know if you’ve ever tried to park at the Kanata Farm Boy on a Saturday afternoon.

One day we’ll look back and realize that putting cars ahead of people was a stupid idea. This year is where we need to transition away from it. Good job on Robinson Village, city. You got this one right.

Brigitte Pellerin is an Ottawa writer.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/column...t-put-the-priority-on-people-not-parking
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Revised Site Plan application

https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__B2O7H1

As detailed in the original Site Plan Control application, the proposed development is a nine-storey residential building with underground parking and rooftop amenity space. The revised Site Plan reduces the number of residential dwelling units from 192 units to 153 units, and increases the number of parking spaces from 71 to 88 to meet the minimum requirements as per the Zoning By-law. Additionally, the front walkway entrance has been reduced in width to 1.25 metres.

The development will maintain the same building envelope as previously proposed, which is a nine-storey building at a maximum building height of 27 metres. The building includes a stepback at the seventh storey and uses varying building materials, including brick and metal panelling, to provide visual interest and articulation. Vehicular access to the underground parking garage is to be provided at the west end of the building, as per the previous proposal, and bicycle parking will be mainly provided indoors within the parking garage, with nine spaces located outside. Amenity space is to be provided on the ground floor (gym and lounge), a common room on the ninth floor, a rooftop terrace, and private balconies. Waste management is internal to the building within the first level of the parking garage.
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