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Magee House (1119 Wellington St) | 20 m | 6 fl | Partial Demolition

Heritage Hintonburg building to expand with luxury apartments
Published on Mon Sep 26 2016
EMMA JACKSON/METRO


The Magee House was built in 1880. Now, the architect who owns it wants to wrap it in six storeys of luxury apartments.

One of Hintonburg’s oldest buildings could soon expand into condos, according to the architect who owns it.

Preliminary drawings show Ovidio Sbrissa’s plans to add five or six storeys of luxury condos to 1119 Wellington St. W, a heritage-designated stone house between Carruthers and Stirling avenues. The house was built in 1880 and designated in 1996.

Sbrissa said he wants to restore the heritage house for commercial use, and add about 21,000 square feet of luxury apartments around the side and back of the building. The units would range from 1,200 to 2,500 square feet each.
“We’re targeting people who want to replace their large home or semi-large home” but don’t want a micro-condo, he said.

Preliminary drawings show architect Ovidio Sbrissa's plans to wrap the heritage Magee House in apartments.

The property’s traditional main street zoning limits building heights to 20 metres, and anything above 12 metres must be set back. Sbrissa’s plans jive with this, and he doesn’t expect he’ll need any amendments. Still, Sbrissa expects to spend about three years completing the city’s “rigmarole,” which includes convincing the built heritage sub-committee of his heritage restoration plans.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said he’ll be watching that issue closely.
“Obviously my expectation is that the heritage building is going to be treated sensitively,” Leiper said.

The community association declined to comment until Sbrissa submits a formal application, which Sbrissa said he plans to do in several months.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/...partments.html
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Thanks for the post. I've been wondering for years what's been going on with that spot. Hopefully that awesome cut stone facade is well-preserved.
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1119 Wellington St | 20 m | 6 fl | Proposed

Heritage Hintonburg building to expand with luxury apartments

Metro News, Published on Mon Sep 26 2016




The Magee House was built in 1880. Now, the architect who owns it wants to wrap it in six storeys of luxury apartments.

One of Hintonburg’s oldest buildings could soon expand into condos, according to the architect who owns it.

Preliminary drawings show Ovidio Sbrissa’s plans to add five or six storeys of luxury condos to 1119 Wellington St. W, a heritage-designated stone house between Carruthers and Stirling avenues. The house was built in 1880 and designated in 1996.

Sbrissa said he wants to restore the heritage house for commercial use, and add about 21,000 square feet of luxury apartments around the side and back of the building. The units would range from 1,200 to 2,500 square feet each.

“We’re targeting people who want to replace their large home or semi-large home” but don’t want a micro-condo, he said.



The property’s traditional main street zoning limits building heights to 20 metres, and anything above 12 metres must be set back. Sbrissa’s plans jive with this, and he doesn’t expect he’ll need any amendments.

Still, Sbrissa expects to spend about three years completing the city’s “rigmarole,” which includes convincing the built heritage sub-committee of his heritage restoration plans.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said he’ll be watching that issue closely.

“Obviously my expectation is that the heritage building is going to be treated sensitively,” Leiper said.

The community association declined to comment until Sbrissa submits a formal application, which Sbrissa said he plans to do in several months.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/...partments.html
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Heritage Hintonburg building to expand with luxury apartments

Metro News, Published on Mon Sep 26 2016




Still, Sbrissa expects to spend about three years completing the city’s “rigmarole,” which includes convincing the built heritage sub-committee of his heritage restoration plans.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said he’ll be watching that issue closely.

“Obviously my expectation is that the heritage building is going to be treated sensitively,” Leiper said.
This should go well Owner/architect boils the development approval process down to 'rigmarole' and the local councillor is watching somebody like this closely and wants sensitive heritage treatment.
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Historic Magee House in Hintonburg suffers partial collapse

Kieran Delamont, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: July 24, 2018




A wall on a historic building in Hintonburg partially collapsed just after 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday night.

Ottawa Fire Services is continuing to investigate after the west-facing wall of a building known as the Magee House, a property that’s more than 140 years old, collapsed.

Nobody was injured in the collapse and OFS had not determined its cause. OFS said the rest of the property appeared to still be stable, but that there were no estimates for the cost of the damage.

The Magee House was one of the first buildings built in what would later become Hintonburg. First built in 1874, the building was dedicated as a heritage building in 1996.

Over the years, it has served many purposes, including being home to several hardware stores, a used car dealership and a men’s wear shop. More recently, though, the owner of the building had flirted with the idea of turning the building into condos.

“Ottawa Fire Services are still on location securing the scene and working with city staff to determine a course of action to determine if the building can be salvaged,” said OFS in a news release. They added that seven adults and a pet cat will be displaced from adjoining properties.



https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...rtial-collapse
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It'll have to come down. Just look at the second floor joist how it's bowed. If that goes, the entire building could fall into itself. Sucks because it was one of the more unique buildings on the street.

The City really needs to adopt something similar to what McKenney proposed, where the they would have the power to expropriate heritage buildings that have been neglected for years. However, they would then need to put in the work necessary to repair the structural issues and façade before putting in the inevitable years of public consultation for what should be done with the building, not after (thus creating the same problem that we had before).
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It'll have to come down. Just look at the second floor joist how it's bowed. If that goes, the entire building could fall into itself. Sucks because it was one of the more unique buildings on the street.

The City really needs to adopt something similar to what McKenney proposed, where the they would have the power to expropriate heritage buildings that have been neglected for years. However, they would then need to put in the work necessary to repair the structural issues and façade before putting in the inevitable years of public consultation for what should be done with the building, not after (thus creating the same problem that we had before).
lol the City can barely afford to take care of their own heritage buildings, let alone expropriate others, or even preach to building owners about 'proper maintenance'. As time goes on, only the best built examples, or buildings owned by wealthy people will survive. A poorly built house owned by a slum lord will sadly not make it, no matter how much the NIMBY's stare at it and sigh about the past.

Looks to me like the framing was always somewhat bowed like that, but now it looks pretty bad and will likely come down anyways.

Also are those just solid blocks of cast concrete on the front? Much heritage, so historical.
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Also are those just solid blocks of cast concrete on the front? Much heritage, so historical.
Likely not, built as it was in the late 1800's. Buildings of that era frequently had the best type/quality/uniformity/colour stonework on the front face, and used lesser stones for the sides and back... much like the beloved 'brick on the front/vinyl on the rest' suburban building practices of today. Magee House is constructed of limestone.

Here's some interesting history of the building:
https://kitchissippi.com/2016/10/27/...f-magee-house/
http://hintonburg.com/mrs-frances-ma...nburg-pioneer/
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Likely not, built as it was in the late 1800's. Buildings of that era frequently had the best type/quality/uniformity/colour stonework on the front face, and used lesser stones for the sides and back... much like the beloved 'brick on the front/vinyl on the rest' suburban building practices of today. Magee House is constructed of limestone.

Here's some interesting history of the building:
https://kitchissippi.com/2016/10/27/...f-magee-house/
http://hintonburg.com/mrs-frances-ma...nburg-pioneer/
I was being sarcastic, pointing out that casting concrete inside and over existing stonework (especially at a lintel) is exactly *NOT* how to respect heritage. As we all know, buildings of this era are generally built of Gloucester limestone, which was the best quality available at the time, but an overall poor choice for longevity, and examples around the city haven't aged well. Hence why only the wealthy will be able to afford to keep their buildings intact in the coming 50 years, as the stone continues to badly deteriorate.
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Sucks - one of my favourite Little Old Buildings in town.
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I was being sarcastic, pointing out that casting concrete inside and over existing stonework (especially at a lintel) is exactly *NOT* how to respect heritage. As we all know, buildings of this era are generally built of Gloucester limestone, which was the best quality available at the time, but an overall poor choice for longevity, and examples around the city haven't aged well. Hence why only the wealthy will be able to afford to keep their buildings intact in the coming 50 years, as the stone continues to badly deteriorate.

Are they actually concrete lintels, or just some decorative element added at some point? I can't put my finger on any really early photos. I wonder if the ground floor windows were enlarged at some point, necessitating extra support for the structure above, perhaps when the building gained a commercial function. But I agree, it's not the way we respect historic buildings today.

You can see that they were present in 1965:


from: https://kitchissippi.com/2016/10/27/...f-magee-house/


...while the current photos show that at least the columns faces were faux:


from: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local..._autoplay=true
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Are they actually concrete lintels, or just some decorative element added at some point? I can't put my finger on any really early photos. I wonder if the ground floor windows were enlarged at some point, necessitating extra support for the structure above, perhaps when the building gained a commercial function. But I agree, it's not the way we respect historic buildings today.

You can see that they were present in 1965:


from: https://kitchissippi.com/2016/10/27/...f-magee-house/

...while the current photos show that at least the columns faces were faux:


from: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local..._autoplay=true

The stucco sign fronts leaked and held water against the stone construction, causing stone and existing 'lintel' to fail (which was likely an under-sized, cast-iron angle), at which time the owner put some formwork up, cast concrete behind the formwork, encapsulating everything into the mess you see there, including at the deteriorated jambs between the windows and the door. This is instead of properly removing and replacing the deterioration (which arguably would have entailed replacing much of the whole elevation). I estimate the windows weren't that large size in the original construction, and were enlarged for a new storefront in the '40's.

So to sum up the repairs required at this moment:
1. Shore the interior structure 100% (remove whatever leftover ceiling and wall finishes there were, to install shoring). Find someone crazy enough to do that work.
2. Shore/brace the exterior walls, keeping the wellington north sidewalk and perhaps drive lane closed for 1-2 years.
3. Remove and replace deteriorated stone. 100% of the west elevation, 75% of the south elevation, and the east elevation is just as wonky as the west elevation was, therefore most of that as well.
4. Remove and replace the interior wood framing.
5. Replace the roof including the mansard and fascia.
6. Remove and replace the windows, while you're at it.

What the hell are you left with? The tin shingles I suppose will be 'original', probably from the 40's as well, the last time they were replaced. Nothing original of Ms. Mcgee, of course. So WHY keep it in place?

There's an argument to be made that people love their heritage, simply for the ridiculous argument of street-front aesthetic. Clearly nobody cares about the real heritage from the people who actually lived in these buildings, otherwise facadism wouldn't be a thing.

Solution: Clear this thing up ASAP to allow life to return to normal. Require the owner to rebuild the house exactly as it was, or if facadism wins-out, build a cheap condo with a stone facade to match this one. Voila! Finito!

Also if you ask me, people like a nice heritage facade facing business district. This doesn't seem like a stretch to just require new construction to include clay brick or stone masonry, much like our cheap townhouse construction in suburbia with the vinyl siding on the sides and back. You're not fooling anyone, but at least we feel more very heritage.

"Oh my god the heritage is all lost!" is not really an argument when it's just the front facade we care about. Especially when we're at a point where full renewal of most of these buildings is now required. What does the definition of heritage become when the thing is replaced to match existing?
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Do they determine today whether it needs to come down?
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I get what OTownandDown is saying. It's a bit of a "Granfather's Axe" type situation. Heritage in general. The whole idea of façadism. Sure, the Ogilvy façade is restored and using original materials for the most part, but the foundation built by Charles Ogilvy, the steel structure that held the building for over 100 years, the floors that thousands of people walked through, they are all gone.

Even the Parliament Buildings. About a quarter of the stone was replaced. In 300 years, nothing of the original exterior will be left. Extreme example, but it still stands.
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City orders emergency partial demolition of Magee House
Crews will reassess remaining structure after Friday demolition of southwest corner and part of roof

Kristy Nease · CBC News
Posted: Jul 27, 2018 1:52 PM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago


The City of Ottawa's chief building official has issued an emergency order to demolish part of the decades-old Hintonburg building that partially collapsed earlier this week.

The southwest corner and a portion of the roof — deemed the most unsafe parts of the remaining structure at 1119 Wellington St. W. — are set to be demolished by Priestly Demolition Inc. in the interest of public safety, Frank Bidin has ruled.

The demolition, recommended by the engineering firm John Cooke and Associates, will "allow for a more thorough assessment of the remaining building," the city said in a news release.

It's expected to begin as soon as the right equipment is in place Friday.

When it's done the city will determine whether the affected portion of Wellington Street W. can re-open to traffic. The north sidewalk will remain closed for now.

The cost of the demolition hasn't yet been determined, Bidin wrote in an emailed statement, but the city will seek to be reimbursed by the building's owner, architect Ovidio Sbrissa.

Demolition work on heritage buildings like Magee House typically requires a heritage permit and city council approval, but because the remaining building poses a "significant public hazard," permission wasn't required, the city said.

The west wall of the building, known as Magee House and formerly occupied by Sbrissa, came down Tuesday for reasons so far unknown.

Sbrissa was out getting pizza with a neighbour at the time and said doing so probably saved his life.

An update on the building is expected at the built heritage sub-committee meeting Aug. 2.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...tion-1.4764575
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Magee House partially demolished Friday evening

Kieran Delamont, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: July 27, 2018


The city is moving quickly to deal with the Magee House, which was missing the better part of its west-facing wall, by knocking part of the building down.

Since the wall collapsed Tuesday, engineers have been puzzling about what to do with the parts of the building that remain standing. The building had been standing on its own for the time being, but since the precise cause of the collapse hadn’t been determined, the integrity of the building was viewed with skepticism.

On Friday, the call was made to demolish at least part of the historic Hintonburg building. According to the city, the plan was to remove the southwest corner and some of the roof as a first step, and on Friday evening heavy machinery was seen at work on the site.

“After workers remove those portions that pose a public safety risk, the city will have experts conduct a further analysis on the remainder of the building,” the city said in a media release.

Magee House is a heritage-protected building. Extraordinary circumstances call for flexible solutions, though. “Because the structure poses a significant public hazard,” said city officials, “the Chief Building Official, acting in the interest of public safety, issued the emergency order to demolish, meaning no heritage permit is required.”

After the southwest corner was knocked down, the city hoped to be able to get engineers in to assess whether or not any more of the building will need to be demolished.

The city is also trying to figure out when they can reopen the section of Wellington Street West that has been closed since the collapse Tuesday. City staff said they will provide an update on Aug. 3.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...lly-demolished









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Even if they do end up restoring it, how that going to look? Patchy new stonework? A glass corner?
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Even if they do end up restoring it, how that going to look? Patchy new stonework? A glass corner?
I suspect that there will be no "they" in this case.
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