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Old Posted Jul 1, 2014, 5:40 AM
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Eurotrip Part 4: Paris Transportation

Eurotrip Part 4
Paris Transportation
Paris:
Outer Paris | Central Paris | Eiffel Tower | Paris Transportation
Amsterdam: Urbanism | Transportation
Bonus: TBD

It's been a couple of weeks since part 3. Sorry for the delay.

Being a transportation planner, I'm always interested in the transit and bicycling infrastructure of cities I visit. And Paris has everything. First I'll cover the various types of trains, then buses, then bikes, then a bit of car stuff at the end of the thread.

The Metro

Paris' subway is one of the world's most iconic. It goes everywhere. Here's a map, with a 500 meter (1/3 mile) circle around each Metro and commuter rail station. Notice how almost every inch of the city inside the Périphérique beltway is covered.


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Map from mapsbynik. All other images in this thread are my photos.


No American city is like that. Not DC, not SF, not even New York. It's insane, and awesome.

Let's see some trains.












And some stations.






Notice the time and the train headways. I think the longest we waited for a train the whole time was maybe 5 minutes.




Rare elevated station:






And even more rare, a station over water:




Some of the lines are fully automated, and thus have doors on the platform. I'm led to understand that recent transit worker strikes have pushed Paris to implement automated trains as quickly as possible.




Danger of death!




Paris has an interesting system where you open train doors manually. I've seen that elsewhere on streetcars, but not subways. The new trains have a button, but the older ones have a charming little crank that you turn.




And of course, the rubber tires. Montreal mimics this idea.




Let's go into some trains. This is an older car.




For the newer trains, instead of several independent railcars joined together, the entire train is one loooong railcar, with multiple articulated segments. Like a long tram, but in a subway. The advantage is increased capacity, because there's no wasted space between cars, and because passengers can walk through the train until they find a spot with more room. The disadvantage is it's more expensive and less flexible to operate.




Everyone knows about the historic central city station entrances.




But as you move outward they become more modern.








Trams

Paris has trams/streetcars too. They're fairly new and travel through the outer areas where Metro lines don't cover absolutely everything so well. For the most part they have dedicated tramways.














Commuter rail

The RER (Réseau Express Régional) is the suburban rail system. But by American standards it's more like San Francisco's BART than anything else. Trains come every 15 minutes or so throughout the day, and the lines operate like urban subways through the central city, with stations every half-mile or so rather than only one downtown terminal. Here's the system map. The RER trains, however, look more like American commuter rail than subways. Maybe Philadelphia's regional rail is a better comparison than BART.






RER was built in the latter half of the 20th Century, and its stations reflect that dreary architecture. There's little ornament here.








Although those wood panels look pretty nice.




Inside of one of the newer trains.




Intercity rail

Paris has a bunch of great old train stations. The French national railway (SNCF) is the main provider, including its LGV high-speed rail system. But there are also other intercity trains for lines going to foreign countries, like the Eurostar to London, and Thalys to Belgium, Netherlands, and Germany. Plus of course RER and Metro.

Gare de Lyon is my favorite:








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Both high-speed and regular speed trains in this photo.












It's such a large station it has a 2nd great hall off to one side.






Gare du Nord seemed to be the busiest of the big stations. It was a mad house. People everywhere. I forgot to take a picture of the outside, but here it is if you're curious.


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Thalys high-speed trains. I rode these back and forth to Amsterdam. I'll save those pictures for a later thread.




Slow train.




Gare du Nord also has a big secondary train room, but it's not as pretty as Gare Lyon's.






Gare de l'Est is also pretty big. I was there at night so it was much less busy.








This was very interesting. It's a 3D pathway for blind people.




I didn't visit Gare Montparnasse (it looked ugly on google so I didn't bother), but the others were all a bit smaller. More on the level of Boston South Station than NY Grand Central.

Gare Saint-Lazare, with its unusual Metro entrance out front:








Gare d'Austerlitz, with an elevated Metro line running through a wing of the building:


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Gare Austerlitz was undergoing renovations. It was pretty bare on the inside, and only lightly used.






Charles de Gaulle airport rail station:




Much smaller Versailles rail station:




66 pictures later, I think that's about it for trains. Now let's do Buses! It won't take as long. Whereas I rode at least 9 of Paris' various rail lines while there, I never set foot on a bus.

Here's your basic Parisian bus.






The articulated variety seems to account for about half. Definitely a high percentage, but not the highest I've ever seen.








There are tons of bus lanes and busways. If Paris were in the US, we'd say it has a sizable BRT network. In Paris, as far as I could tell, they just consider BRT to be regular buses (though I admit I might be wrong since I never rode).












Bikes and buses, both allowed.




That's a nice transition to bikes.

Paris' leading contribution to the world of bicycling is undoubtedly Vélib', the most famous bikesharing system in the western world. Vélib' was not the first large modern bikesharing system in France, but Paris being Paris, it was Vélib' that really catapulted bikesharing onto the world stage. There's even a North American connection: The first North American city to really adopt bikesharing was Montreal, which being French-speaking has one foot in the French world. And Montreal's success was the leading inspiration for many a US system.

Vélib' works the same as DC's Capital Bikeshare, New York's Citibike, Chicago's Divvy, or any of them. Except it's bigger. The largest US systems so far (the 3 I just mentioned) all have a little over 300 bike stations. Vélib' has over 1,200.












They even do maintenance by bike:




But bikesharing is just the start. Paris also has great bike lanes. But I would not say they're world class. With such an amazing transit network, and with so many small local streets that don't need dedicated lanes to feel comfortable, Paris' bike infrastructure pales compared to Amsterdam or Copenhagen. It's better than Portland or New York, but not by such a tremendous degree.

First, bunches of cycletracks, including both the more American-like on-street variety, and the more Dutch-like sidewalk variety.
























This bike path runs under the Metro bridge from the very first photo in this thread.




Plenty of normal non-protected bike lanes, especially on the narrow local streets.




Bike boxes everywhere.






The green square symbol they use, both for bike lanes and bike boxes, is interesting. It adds visibility for car drivers, so they expect bikes to be there. But Paris uses a lot less green than some US cities, like DC or Chicago (Chicago's especially funny because it uses the exact opposite method from Paris: mostly green with unpainted squares). Paris' version saves money but doesn't look as good. I wonder what's most effective.




They do have extremely visible green checkerboards at some crossings like this, but it's rare. I suspect they've gone away from this in recent years in favor of a different standard.




One way you can tell bikes are convenient: So many services that rely on them, and mopeds.




This is a postal worker going about her rounds on an official postal bike.




Finally, some cars.

Autolib' is Paris' city-owned carsharing network. The fleet is mostly plug-in electric.






Tuk-tuks, 3-wheeled motorized rickshaws, pop up in tourist areas. It's weird I've never seen these in the US, considering plenty of American cities have horse-drawn carriages and pedicabs. Maybe in the US anything with a motor isn't viewed as quaint enough? I dunno.




Bizarre sidewalk parking. To access it cars drive up on the sidewalk, use the sidewalk like a travel lane, then approach the parking from the sidewalk side rather than the vehicle lanes. This is because there's a bus lane and a row of trees between the street and the parking lane. Here's a more illustrative angle from Street View. Vancouver's has sidewalk parking sort of like this, but in a simpler arrangement.




Less weird but still different than anything seen in the US, an urban gas station. It's just plopped there on the sidewalk. You pull in like you're parallel parking. I wonder how the land ownership for this works.




And that's all! Goodbye from Washington! Next up, Amsterdam.

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What's the big deal with the constant references to the USA? I really dislike when people do such things.
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I live in the USA, so my impressions of Paris are naturally colored by comparing it to what I know. People learn by looking at how other places do things, and figuring out what works better and what doesn't work as well, then thinking about if it would make sense to import the parts that work better.

I'm sorry you find it distracting, but for the record a European telling an American they're not allowed to talk about America is ethnocentrism too.
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Brilliant thread and very interesting information about transportation in Paris! Thans for sharing your experience and pictures. You did a great job, Cirrus!

Paris has a very complete transportation infrastructure.

Congrats and greetings from Madrid, Spain.
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Thanks for the great pictures and information.

I spent almost a month touring Europe for my honeymoon almost 2 years ago. We traveled fully by train, and rode the metro/trams/rails/etc in each big city we stayed. In my experience, the Paris subway was much grittier and dirtier and older, and I had less confidence riding it compared to the systems in Germany (Munich S-bahn/U-bahn was what I thought was the best and most pleasant system), Austria and Switzerland.
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^ Hé, that might partly be your germanophile mindset and clichés. I noticed some (usually conservative) in the anglophone world were pretty good at kissing the German butts and being harsh to us Frenchies, but that's okay. You don't sound completely wrong so don't get offended, eh. I assume people in Germany/Switzerland/Austria are generally more respectful of the public, commonly owned and shared space than douchy Parisians, but they're also still far from as diverse as we are. I think metro Paris is the most diverse place in entire Europe, even a bit more than London. So the Germans, Austrians and Swiss don't face the challenges of diversity as intensely as we do. There's constantly been a lot of people coming to Paris from countries in difficulties, most of them being poor and in the need for caring and education. That's part of our mission and duty in the world. That involves some heavy constraints and even often some inconvenience, but the reward in the end is surely glorious and worth the efforts. Besides, Paris's network is much larger than anything German-speaking you mention. You definitely couldn't see it all. So you don't know newer lines and vehicles are simply the latest you get anywhere and are still fairly clean.

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I live in the USA, so my impressions of Paris are naturally colored by comparing it to what I know. People learn by looking at how other places do things, and figuring out what works better and what doesn't work as well, then thinking about if it would make sense to import the parts that work better.
Perfect thinking. In fact, that's what everybody feeling confident is about. Getting inspired by and importing the best, leaving the rest. Happier France is all that way, while scared grumpy xenophobic France is a hater. And there's quite a whole bunch of things of the US that I'd love to see more frequently over here.
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Such a civilized city!
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Totally valid to compare to what we know. Lands us in trouble with some people who just don't get it, but we can only learn from perspective and application in different environments using different tools at our disposal.

Thanks for one of the more interesting threads as of late - was in Paris over Christmas last year and really need to get back. It's my favorite city in the world, it really should be a once/year or two for me. This thread only reestablishes that fact in my mind.

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In my experience, the Paris subway was much grittier and dirtier and older, and I had less confidence riding it compared to the systems in Germany (Munich S-bahn/U-bahn was what I thought was the best and most pleasant system), Austria and Switzerland.
Ride American systems much?

Paris' system is safe and immaculate compared to anything we have here. Combine that fact that Parisians are arguably the best dressed people in the world, and considering they get around via metro, you are crammed in a train filled with beautiful people. I find that to be less the case in other European countries, certainly NOT the case anywhere in America. I'll take those older trains with the manual door pushes any day so long as they continue to carry a bunch of beautiful Parisian guys and girls in their beautiful jackets and well maintained hairdo's. Ahh, Paris. I just love it like no other city. Always trying to find little bits and pieces of San Francisco that remind me of my favorite city in the world (fortunately here at least that's easier than it sounds).
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mousquet, simms3_redux,

I wanted to compliment Cirrus on his pictures, and then just provide some comparison. And you should have noticed I prefaced my statement with "In my experience". Obviously there is no way I could experience the whole of the Paris system... again, it was "In my experience."

However, the parts I saw of Pairs (older, dirtier, confusing and less impressive stations and trains, homeless camped in corners, broken turnstiles and having to jump them with my backpack, etc..), were not as enjoyable and easy as the others I rode. As I can easily see from other pictures of Cirrus, there are some amazing parts of the Paris metro, old and new. I'm not going deep into societal issues, just saying. Perhaps you guys have a different opinion.

Yes, I've been on American systems, however how does that matter? I was indicating my experiences when I was in Europe. But I see what you are saying.
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Great thread.

I'm a little disappointed that you didn't see the RER A, the busiest line in western Europe.
When we speak of the RER, this is usually the RER A (not the slow and confusing RER C).

The central Paris stations of the RER A are very impressive, same for the RER E.

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This is by far the best suburban rolling stock in Paris.
Z 50000 are very futuristic.
This stock began on Gare du Nord suburban lines (Transilien H) and then Gare e l'Est (Transilien P) and Gare Saint-Lazare (Transilien J and L).

The RER is just a part of Paris commuter network, there are also plenty of commuter lines departing from the big railway terminal.

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I didn't visit Gare Montparnasse (it looked ugly on google so I didn't bother), but the others were all a bit smaller. More on the level of Boston South Station than NY Grand Central.

Gare Saint-Lazare, with its unusual Metro entrance out front:

I wouldn't say that Gare Saint-Lazare is smaller than Gare de l'Est, note that the picture is just a third of the station facade.
Gare Saint-Lazare is the second busiest train terminal in Paris, the station is very busy during rush hours.
In rush hours, there is a train arriving and leaving Gare Saint-Lazare every 28 seconds.

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Much smaller Versailles rail station:

Versailles Rive Gauche, more exactly,
There are several rail station in Versailles.

Versailles Chantier
Versailles Rive Gauche
Versailles Rive Droite

The biggest train stations in Versailles is Versailles Chantier.
Versailles Chantier is served by various commuter lines, including two branchs of the RER C.
Transilien N to Montparnasse and Transilien U to la Defense.
Unlike the two other train stations, Versailles Chantier is not a terminal station.

Versailles Rive Gauche is the last station of one of the western branch of the RER C.
It is called Rive Gauche (Left Bank) because the train here head to the Left Bank in Central Paris.
More exactly the former Gare des Invalides terminal which has disappear with the creation of the RER C.
The RER C is born of the merge of the suburban lines of Gare des Invalides and the suburban lines of Gare d'Orsay with the creation of tunnel between the two stations.

Versailles Rive Droite (Right Bank) is served by the suburban train (Transilien L) from Gare Saint-Lazare.
Gare Saint-Lazare is located on the Right Bank in Central Paris.
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Nice pictures. There's a few things here that I've never seen before.

I like the US comparisons, by the way. It gives a chance to compare new ideas and concepts to ones that we have seen.
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As always, Nice job Cirrus!

Sorry to continue the comparisons to the US, but this thread really highlights the interconnection between land use and transit. Paris has made a big investment in transit. But, Paris is also built for transit. I think to many transit boosters ignore this fact in the US and just focus on the need to build more lines.

Hard to believe for all the coverage the Paris Metro provides it is only slightly larger in track mileage than the DC Metro system (133 miles for Paris vs. 106 miles for DC). But, the Paris Metro is a dense network of interconnected lines. As you map, shows 96% of Paris is within 500 meters of a Metro stop. DC on the other hand, if a hub and spoke system with the tentacles reaching deep into suburbia. Only 40 stops are in the District. Applying the 500 meters (rougly .3 of a mile) to DC, only 12 sq miles out of DC’s 61 sq miles is within ideal walking distance (assuming no overlap between station).

With a network of only 133 miles, Paris has almost all of its 2.3 million people within a short walk. There is simply no way for American cities (outside NYC) to service that many people in the same amount of track.

I hate to say it, but this leaves me really pessimistic about the US’s ability to really expand transit. In theory, we need to radically redevelop the cores of American cities at much greater densities and link the core cities with dense transit networks. Of course in reality that will never happen. Instead we will push ahead with hub-and-spoke transit networks that push deep into suburban areas that are not designed for transit. Small isolated TOD pockets ≠ true urbanism.

This is a suboptimal solution that will always make US public transit expensive and less efficient than it is in true, densely developed urban cities like NYC, Paris, London, etc. Ugh..I really don't know how we fix this issue?
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>> I'm a little disappointed that you didn't see the RER A, the busiest line in western Europe.
I didn't know.

>> Gare Saint-Lazare is the second busiest train terminal in Paris, the station is very busy during rush hours.
Perhaps I should've said "less impressive." Or maybe I just missed the main part? It looked much smaller.
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I thoroughly enjoyed this thread! Eagerly awaiting the Amsterdam one!
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