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Old Posted Feb 24, 2014, 10:01 PM
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Some New Urbanism / TOD under construction in Gaithersburg, MD (+ some existing ones)

Gaithersburg, MD has a vast and growing collection of large new urbanist neighborhoods. Basically, everything built there in the past 25 years has been walkable.

The big problem is that all these walkable places are still independent subdivisions. There's not a critical urban mass because they're poorly connected to one another. So while lots of people walk within each one, for the most part everyone drives between them.

The State of Maryland is planning a high quality BRT line called the Corridor Cities Transitway that will finally stitch them together, and hopefully start to produce that critical mass of urbanism. The line was originally planned as light rail, but with Maryland also planning a new subway in downtown Baltimore and a circumferential light rail line around the DC suburbs, there's not enough money to do rail in Gaithersburg. Being the least dense / least urban, it drops to BRT.

So, let's take a quick tour. These are mostly cell phone pictures, and some of them are a few years old, so be prepared for low quality.

Downtown Crown

First stop is Downtown Crown. This is currently under construction.
































Watkins Mill Town Center

This development is going in at what will be a transfer station between the BRT and MARC commuter rail. The MARC station is already there.

For this one, they've built the rowhouses and a few lowrise apartment buildings, but the main town center, near the transit station, is still an empty field. The station is on the extreme left of this picture (you can't see it very well; right now it's just a couple of bus shelters slapped atop a MARC platform). The new stuff is on the right. The eventual town center will be in the field.







This development will stretch across I-270. The part on the other side of the highway is smaller and less transit-oriented, but internally walkable.








Old Town

Gaithersburg has a small historic downtown. It's not on the BRT line, but is on the MARC line. In addition to a really lovely downtown train station (still active for MARC), it has some infill. May as well post it.








Kentlands

Kentlands was the first New Urbanist neighborhood in the US that was built for permanent residency, instead of as a resort. Obviously it was also Gaithersburg's first N.U. development. It was originally built in the late 80s & early 90s, then in the late 90s it doubled in size. Now some of its original commercial buildings are starting to redevelop and densify.

There's not a lot of construction there now, except a little of that redevelopment, one property at a time. This is actually great news, because it means Kentlands is starting to function less like a master planned community and more like a bona fide urban neighborhood.

Kentlands will have a BRT station, but right now you have to drive (or take a local bus, which nobody does).















Double-stacked rowhouses. Pretty interesting.



Teaser for the next one...




Washingtonian Center

Washington Center was the 2nd of these things built, and like Kentlands it's continuing to evolve. It's actually very close to Crown, the first development in this thread. Easily within walking distance. But not the same development. There won't be a BRT stop at Washingtonian, but it is walking distance of the Crown stop.

There's a nice lakefront, with some taller buildings attached, but the really progressive thing about this development (most of which dates from the late 1990s) is it was the first place in the US to use urban-format big boxes.

My pictures of this are so terrible and old that I think it would be better to just find a couple from flickr and share those instead.


from the peterson companies on flickr


from sebastian pires on flickr


from concord977 on flickr


The new urbanist style of developments continues north into Germantown and south into Rockville, with N.U. neighborhoods strung along what will become the Corridor Cities BRT line. But since I had really just planned on posting a couple of pictures from Crown and Watkins Mill, then let this snowball, I'll go ahead and stop now.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2014, 10:07 PM
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It's pretty cool actually...I'm sure it's relatively affordable as well.

What I always wonder about these kinds of developments though is whether they will age well. They just look too disneyfied...I can't imagine that they'll really be here for 100's of years to come. The materials look cheap and the premise seems fake.

But hey, it sure beats subdivisions.
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My Sister lives near there and my Brother In Law lived near the Kentlands. (now in N. Potomac) ..sorry but these are the most boring, cookie cutter, places that I've been to. Same cloned chain restaruants, etc...This is what I despise about the area down there.
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Really? The most boring you've ever been to?

I completely agree they're vastly inferior to historic cities in every way. No argument there at all. But aren't you being a tad hyperbolic? Do you honestly think they're worse than this:


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Nice but the Postal Service tune comes to mind. Very DC.

It's just too goddamn far out of the city.

Thanks for making the trip out!
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Blandness and conformity, typical for American suburbs. More chain stores selling bad food, more rowhouses. Don't fool yourselves, this isn't urbanity.
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Blandness and conformity, typical for American suburbs. More chain stores selling bad food, more rowhouses. Don't fool yourselves, this isn't urbanity.
BINGO! Well said....
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Really? The most boring you've ever been to?

I completely agree they're vastly inferior to historic cities in every way. No argument there at all. But aren't you being a tad hyperbolic? Do you honestly think they're worse than this:


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True...but at least these places aren't "pretending" to be anything other than what they are...houses in the suburbs. Those "town centers" are basically Hollywood sets on former farmlands!

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If we're going to be developing farmlands into residential, I'd much rather see this type of development than the typical suburb. My big concern is Montgomery County potentially dumbing down the BRT into basically a glorified bus. I hope they push harder to create high quality BRT.
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At least they use less land per capita, and make it easy for some trips (grabbing a few groceries etc.) to be on foot. Those are both worthy. They also integrate multifamily in areas that might not have much otherwise. And if they're on any kind of transit line a lot of people can use transit far more easily.

Sure every store is a chain. That's true with any new building, except in cities like mine where too much retail is required and they often go empty before giving in two years later and renting to a nail salon at half cost. (Breathe!) When they age they'll probably diversify. That's not counting the places that are primarily about retail with a few hundred apartments thrown in...those places could lose their retail components en masse by getting supplanted, since a few hundred units would have a tough time keeping a coffee shop and corner store going.

Sometimes they're not as dense as they look. If the parking is above-grade then you probably get a lot of single-loaded hallways rather than double-loaded, so the building (or a section of it) might be 40% fewer units than it looks. Also the unit sizes also tend to be larger than in urban neighborhoods (guessing) so that's fewer still. How easily we forget....500 units over four acres can be a very quiet place; only when it's also a retail destination and/or a major office/hotel center in a very small area does it become lively.

Visually some of these are clumsy. For example rooflines. Some of these are varied in tiny ways per block. That's clearly just facade modulation of major buildings. Old places that grew organically tend to have more height differences, and anything built to specific zoning, if tight, tend to build the exact same height. I'm overgeneralizing of course. PS, too bad Housemann's Paris reconstruction didn't modulate facades, because then it might be a decent looking city!

So they're good but not great. We tend to get better urbanism when an old town center gets infill, or a new town center is built as a series of pieces by different developers, and regardless when it takes a decade or three. Not that it isn't nice to do it all at once sometimes, and those decades require a lot of patience I don't have.

PS, how depressing it must be to any urbanist who lives in these places and wants the one-story buildings to be replaced by apartments, and keeps an eye out for any news on that front....it's not happening until the retail fails pal...
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Nice pictures. It looks alright for now, but these places definitely need to age. Kentlands looks pretty decent, maybe because it's developing organically, like you mentioned. Downtown Crown seems too monocultural right now, although there's some really nice buildings, like the faux train station, and the Starbucks (central part), and the building in the picture above the Starbucks. The brick patterns on that one building in Walkers Mill are definitely interesting.
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Folks (particularly arrogant east coast folks) need to learn the difference between "Hollywood sets" and things that are just new. Hate to break it to you, but we can't all live in 19th century buildings. There are a few more of us here today than there were back then. Also, what makes you think a brand new building looked any less "fake" 100 years ago than Kentlands does today? As long as we're building things that have the ability to age, that's progress.
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