HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 5:14 AM
Imperar's Avatar
Imperar Imperar is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Earth
Posts: 359
The Venus Project - New City 3D Renderings as of 2010

The Venus Project culminates the life long work of industrial designer, social systems engineer, and inventor Jacque Fresco, now age 94 (as of 2010).

The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems.

As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.*

Video presentation of The Venus Project:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWylckZ9G64
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajlowfFZ2Jg

For more information please visit: http://thevenusproject.com

FAQ Page 1
FAQ Page 2

Free ebook download: Designing the Future
Free 1h 30 min documentary: Future by Design

Official Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2496062929&ref=ts

If you would like to participate in this direction, and have skills in 3D CAD Animation, architecture, urban planning, construction engineering, or any scientific/technical expertise, sign up at the following website: http://thevenusprojectdesign.com then contact Andrew Buxton for confirmation at mail@thevenusprojectdesign.com




























All designs by Jacque Fresco, 3D CAD done by Andrew Buxton and TVP Design Team

*From the Venus Project main page

Last edited by Imperar; Jul 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM.
     
     
  #2  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 5:58 AM
Bootstrap Bill Bootstrap Bill is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 366
That is NEAT! I hope there are enough people interested in his work to continue when is is no longer able.

I wonder if he was inspired by (or inspired) Walt Disney's plans for EPCOT?
     
     
  #3  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 6:00 AM
mhays mhays is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 18,519
Pretty pictures....and it would suck in real life.
     
     
  #4  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 6:15 AM
Bootstrap Bill Bootstrap Bill is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 366
I think some of his ideas could be adapted. The only problem I have is he's more interested in building some sort of communist utopia.
     
     
  #5  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 7:05 AM
Imperar's Avatar
Imperar Imperar is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Earth
Posts: 359
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootstrap Bill View Post
That is NEAT! I hope there are enough people interested in his work to continue when is is no longer able.

I wonder if he was inspired by (or inspired) Walt Disney's plans for EPCOT?
More than 50 million people already know about the Venus Project.

There are hundreds if not thousands of scientists, engineers, designers, architects, and many others, who are contributing to this direction, as this is a GLOBAL project.

All designs were arrived at through existing technologies, materials, and methods of construction, through inspiration from nature, and through the application of the scientific method towards social and environmental concern.

As for Jacque Fresco being inspired by EPCOT, not so sure, though he did get to meet Buckminster Fuller, Albert Einstein, Gene Roddenberry and many others. Jacque Fresco in fact influenced the designs of Star Trek.

Last edited by Imperar; Jul 12, 2010 at 7:25 AM.
     
     
  #6  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 7:06 AM
Imperar's Avatar
Imperar Imperar is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Earth
Posts: 359
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhays View Post
Pretty pictures....and it would suck in real life.
If you could point out which part you don't like or feel won't work, and provide reasons for them, it would be helpful.
     
     
  #7  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 7:19 AM
Imperar's Avatar
Imperar Imperar is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Earth
Posts: 359
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootstrap Bill View Post
I think some of his ideas could be adapted. The only problem I have is he's more interested in building some sort of communist utopia.
The Venus Project has no reference or connection to communism, socialism, fascism, capitalism, the free enterprise system, technocracy, or any other political party or ideology. Communism has banks, businesses, elitism, military, police, prisons, money, courts, laws, social stratification, and a working class. The Venus Project has none of those.

The Venus Project is not just about buildings, cities, or architecture, it is about a way of thinking, a new method to solving social problems. The designs you see above are only conceptual and are subject to improvement with the arrival of new information. The city concepts are only representations of what the actual cities might be when built, not what they WILL be, so there is plenty of room for change. One fundamental core principle of the city design standard is the utilization of a systems-thinking approach; meaning all social aspects/variables necessary for the wellbeing of the inhabitants are fully considered and integrated - nothing is left out. In the above examples, a unified, circular arrangement permits the optimum travel distance to the nearest facilities. A fully automated holistic transportation network ensures maximum safety and efficient travel.

The Venus Project is neither utopia or idealistic - all designs are 100% practical and can be built with today's science and technology. The Venus Project doesn't claim to create a perfect society - there's no such thing. Instead, it presents a new direction for humanity that is just a lot better than the current system, which is based on the profit incentive. A new socioeconomic model that the Venus Project proposes is a global Resource Based Economy, essentially eliminating a monetary system in favor of free access to goods and services, without a price tag, without barter, credit, debt or servitude. No one needs to work for money because automation will do most of the work to produce and distribute food, water, energy, and all the fundamental necessities we need to survive and have a high quality of life. Everyone is free to pursue the higher goals in life such as in the arts and sciences, people are free to travel and adventure, or focus on personal growth, and many other fulfilling activities, without hindrance of a financial cost. In the Venus Project, there are no "final frontiers", no "final city"; instead it welcomes and embraces change, and continuously and efficiently adapts and upgrades with the latest advances in technology that is in harmony with the natural environment for the benefit of everybody.

Last edited by Imperar; Jul 12, 2010 at 10:45 AM.
     
     
  #8  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 8:34 AM
bobdreamz's Avatar
bobdreamz bobdreamz is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Miami/Orlando, FL.
Posts: 7,776
I was about to say it looks like a Disney resort! The concept does remind of the the original EPCOT Disney envisioned instead of the theme park it turned out to be today. Interesting.
__________________
Miami : 54 Skyscrapers over 500+ Ft.|150+ Meters | 8 Under Construction.
     
     
  #9  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 2:39 PM
seaskyfan seaskyfan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,751
Another utopian vision - well intentioned but a bit loopy and failing (as most of them do) to take into account human nature.

The city in the drawings is completely sterile in my opinion. It looks like a retirement community for Star Trek fans (except with no RV parking).
     
     
  #10  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 3:09 PM
wrab's Avatar
wrab wrab is offline
Deerhoof Evangelist
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,667
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootstrap Bill View Post
.....I wonder if he was inspired by (or inspired) Walt Disney's plans for EPCOT?
I was about to say. Or of GM's Futurama from the NY World's Fair.
     
     
  #11  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 3:10 PM
tpk-nyc tpk-nyc is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 52
Haven't we been here before? It looks like a rehash of Le Corbusier and Co.
     
     
  #12  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 3:19 PM
JBoston's Avatar
JBoston JBoston is offline
Dandy Lion
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Long Island City, Queens, NY USA
Posts: 930
Any good architect with a shred of historical knowledge would be able to see that this project is a tired cliche.
__________________
“Architecture is a social act and the material theater of human activity.” - Spiro Kostof
     
     
  #13  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 4:06 PM
novawolverine novawolverine is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,942
Just watch Zeitgeist Addendum to get acquainted with this. It's basically a resource-based economy with no money where robots do everything like was mentioned above. I do think it is very utopian and idealistic and systems like this where order is pretty much essential, there are opportunities for corruption and very coercive policies. Not that we don't have it now, but I don't think we'll see a system like this soon. Oh yea, and we need better designs/ideas for technology and cities.
     
     
  #14  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 4:24 PM
Xelebes's Avatar
Xelebes Xelebes is offline
Sawmill Billowtoker
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Rockin' in Edmonton
Posts: 13,521
Why are all the houses (pod-lets) round? Isn't that a waste of space?
     
     
  #15  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 5:57 PM
Rizzo Rizzo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago
Posts: 6,997
It looks nice, but I think i'd get bored there fast and go crazy. Looks like life's problems bring some messiness and disorder to our cities, but it's made them interesting over time.
     
     
  #16  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 6:38 PM
Tom In Chicago's Avatar
Tom In Chicago Tom In Chicago is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Sick City
Posts: 6,661
Why do all these utopian visions of futuristic er-quasi-cities look like a collection of shampoo bottles, tampon applicators and other plastic bits of junk you might find in your medicine cabinet?[/rhetorical]

. . .
__________________
Tom in Chicago
. . .
Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky.
     
     
  #17  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 6:47 PM
mhays mhays is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 18,519
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperar View Post
If you could point out which part you don't like or feel won't work, and provide reasons for them, it would be helpful.
Everything is far too spread out to be liveable or sustainable.

Further, it assumes "blank slate" development, rather than using what we've already developed. Inherently unsustainable.

Also, it appears to be entirely man-made. Again unsustainable to build, and to maintain.

As for your 50,000,000 figure, that's laughable. If SSPers generally don't know about it, there's no way others do.

This architectural concept looks reasonably plausible (not including the utopian ideas it's based on), and probably desirable to many people. But that doesn't make it good.
     
     
  #18  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 6:49 PM
novawolverine novawolverine is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,942
Could 10 billion or so people live in this environment?
     
     
  #19  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 6:53 PM
mhays mhays is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 18,519
Now that I've read more, it's funnier than I thought. It's "not utopian"...but will change every aspect of society. "Everything" is accommodated...by cookie-cutter facilities.

I agree with others. This is just another utopian fantasy that won't happen, and wouldn't work if it did happen.
     
     
  #20  
Old Posted Jul 12, 2010, 7:04 PM
novawolverine novawolverine is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,942
The problem w/ these sorts of societies, like it's been alluded to, is that human nature isn't accounted for. If you don't value individualism and think that everyone must work together at all times to achieve some end result, that's fine I guess, but be upfront about it. That's why I've really become more of a proponent for a middle ground the more and more I hear about various social and economic systems; nothing is simple.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:43 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.