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Old Posted Mar 26, 2010, 10:00 AM
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Vancouver reels from 3-D movie screen scarcity

I've heard people who live downtown couldn't get into see avatar cause it was always sold out every weekend...

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Vancouver reels from 3-D movie screen scarcity

By Marke Andrews, Vancouver SunMarch 26, 2010 2:08 AM

For the first time since the rebirth of 3-D movies, demand exceeds supply, and there aren't enough screens in Metro Vancouver to meet customer and studio thirst for the product.

With DreamWorks Animation today opening its new 3-D feature How to Train Your Dragon, and Warner Brothers slated to open Clash of the Titans next Friday, the studios are scrambling to find 3-D screens, which account for less than 10 per cent of the available screens in North America.

Even though the number of 3-D screens in Metro Vancouver increases monthly -- another one starts screening today, and four more will be available next month -- there aren't enough to meet the flow of product from Hollywood.

One reason for the squeeze is the box office performance of 3-D movies now playing in theatres.

Alice in Wonderland, a Disney picture that opened three weeks ago, and 20th Century Fox's Avatar, whose box office take since its Dec. 18 release is approaching $3 billion US, continue to draw good crowds.

On Wednesday, the Los Angeles Times reported that distributor Paramount Pictures threatened to withhold 2-D versions of How to Train Your Dragon from theatres that do not play the 3-D version. Such is the competition for 3-D screens.

In Metro Vancouver, with Festival Cinemas today opening the first 35mm 3-D screen in the city at the Fifth Avenue Cinemas, there are now 28 3-D screens operating. All but Fifth Avenue use digital 3-D projection.

Another four screens will convert to digital 3-D next month, though they won't help the crunch over the next eight days.

"I think this is only a problem for the next few weeks," said Leonard Schein, president of Festival Cinemas. "I don't think this will happen throughout the summer."

"I think the industry has been surprised a little bit at [how 3-D cinema] became so successful so quickly," said Pat Marshall, vice-president of communications and investor relations for Cineplex Entertainment.

" Avatar was a huge catalyst for a large audience seeing and experiencing 3-D. It brought people back into the theatre who may not have been there for a long time," Marshall said.

Right now, Cineplex has seven theatres containing multiple 3-D screens: Colossus in Langley has four, including a 3-D Imax theatre; Scotiabank in Vancouver and SilverCity Metropolis in Burnaby have three each; and SilverCity Riverport in Richmond, including Imax, SilverCity Coquitlam, Park & Tilford in North Vancouver, and Strawberry Hill in Surrey all have a pair. Another Cineplex theatre, Meadowtown in Pitt Meadows, has one.

Empire Studio 12 Guildford in Surrey has three screens and Empire Esplanade in North Vancouver has three. Festival's Park and Fifth Avenue, both in Vancouver, have one each, and Cinemark Tinseltown in Vancouver has one, bringing the Metro Vancouver total to 28.

For a big chain with hundreds of screens like Cineplex, the analog-to-digital conversion has an astronomical cost that has been paid by the chain, with the understanding that most of the cost will be absorbed by the studios and distributors once a Digital Cinema Implementation Partners (DCIP) agreement is in place in Canada. Such an agreement was recently reached in the United States (a third-party provider buys the equipment, and studios, which no longer have to create and ship film reels, pay a virtual print fee).

The chains have the resources for conversion, but the move can be intimidating for an independent exhibitor. Festival Cinemas spent $130,000 for the analog-to-digital conversion at the Park Theatre. The 35mm conversion at the Fifth Avenue is much less expensive because the theatre leases the equipment from Technicolor, paying the latter $2,000 for every film shown.

Schein believes the investment is worth it.

"I think it will pay for itself," said Schein. "The Park used to do quite well until the Canada Line construction, and then we lost a huge number of our audience. They never really came back until we showed Avatar in 3-D. Now Alice in Wonderland is doing as well as Avatar."

Dean Leland, vice-president of studio relations and media for Halifax-based chain Empire Theatres, agrees.

"It's a good investment," said Leland, whose chain just added a third 3-D screen at both its North Vancouver and downtown Vancouver theatres, bringing its total to six screens.

"We started with one screen at each site, added a second before Christmas, and just finished bringing it to three. We expect more 3-D films to come in the next 18 months, and we're well-positioned for that."

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Having seen Alice in Wonderland last night at Silver City Metropolis, I have to say I'm unimpressed with the 3D experience. Sure, the Cheshire Cat was cool, but the rest of it could've been better.

Plus with the MJ tribute at the Grammy's being done in 3D, I can safely say that I can't wait for this trend to end and films to go back to normal again.
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I think 3D for such films like Avatar, the Dragon one and the upcoming Toy Story 3 are wicked, for the more live-action type films.....I don't know. More than just regular 3D, Vancouver is severely lacking in IMAX screens after Canada Place shut down. Their stock is up almost 400% year over year, get on it with some expansion!
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I watched Avatar in 3d. I liked the 3d in that one. What I liked about the 3d was that it was on the whole very subtle. It didn't feel like a novelty effects, like so many 3d films before it. It seemed like they used 3d to make the film feel more natural.

I watched Alice in 3d. The 3d in this one seemed to me not as effective, using the criteria above.

Having said that, I doubt I would have enjoyed the movies any less if they weren't in 3d. I won't be going to see a movie just because it's in 3d. But it might make me more willing to go see movies in the theatre instead of waiting for it to come out on dvd (which is what I do).
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I agree with the need for more IMAX theaters. They are always sold out of the good movies and I have no doubt that a new one (hopefully near downtown or even in Vancouver) would be really popular. Something like the LG IMAX theater in Darling Harbour, Sydney. That would be amazing for Vancouver's downtown. This is all considering the science world one stays with "educational" films mostly.
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Having seen Alice in Wonderland last night at Silver City Metropolis, I have to say I'm unimpressed with the 3D experience. Sure, the Cheshire Cat was cool, but the rest of it could've been better.

Plus with the MJ tribute at the Grammy's being done in 3D, I can safely say that I can't wait for this trend to end and films to go back to normal again.
With the push for 3D TVs just starting, get ready for the feeling that HDTV on your new 50" plasma is 'old school'.

I'll wait a few years to see if this is is the next Selecta Vision Disk system.
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I agree with the need for more IMAX theaters. They are always sold out of the good movies and I have no doubt that a new one (hopefully near downtown or even in Vancouver) would be really popular. Something like the LG IMAX theater in Darling Harbour, Sydney. That would be amazing for Vancouver's downtown. This is all considering the science world one stays with "educational" films mostly.
Which begs the question of why did imax leave the Vancouver Convention Centre last year when their lease was up?
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I watched Avatar in 3d. I liked the 3d in that one. What I liked about the 3d was that it was on the whole very subtle. It didn't feel like a novelty effects, like so many 3d films before it. It seemed like they used 3d to make the film feel more natural.

I watched Alice in 3d. The 3d in this one seemed to me not as effective, using the criteria above.
I just saw Avatar in 3D last night. Considering that I'd watched it twice before via crappy online streaming video the contrast in visual quality (not so surprisingly) blew my mind. At first I found the 3D a bit buggy but then I got used to it and really enjoyed it. It makes some of the scenery feel so much more realistic and immersive.

I haven't seen Alice in Wonderland but I've read that the quality of the 3D shouldn't be as good, at least in theory. Avatar used 3D cameras for filming while Alice in Wonderland used conventional cameras and then converted the film to 3D in post-production.
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i've read that they - studios - want to start releasing more and more films in 3D because they can't be pirated so its something we will need to get used to

still waiting to see Alice In Wonderland - watched avatar twice - but you don't even notice the 3D really you just get so immersed in it
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There's a difference between something actually filmed in 3D (like Avatar) and a film with 3D tacked on as an afterhtought (like Alice in Wonderland). The former makes for a beautiful, natural, and intergrated experience while the latter looks like a gimmick.

Not all IMAX theaters are created equal either. The one in Canada Place and the Science World OMNIMAX was clearly IMAX quality but the Richmond SilverCity Riverport is no different then a conventional 3D setup with an extra "IMAX" charge. Is the Langley Colossus "IMAX" just as bad?
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There's a difference between something actually filmed in 3D (like Avatar) and a film with 3D tacked on as an afterhtought (like Alice in Wonderland). The former makes for a beautiful, natural, and intergrated experience while the latter looks like a gimmick.

Not all IMAX theaters are created equal either. The one in Canada Place and the Science World OMNIMAX was clearly IMAX quality but the Richmond SilverCity Riverport is no different then a conventional 3D setup with an extra "IMAX" charge. Is the Langley Colossus "IMAX" just as bad?
I've seen Avatar at Riverport (Imax) and at the Park (conventional 3D). They aren't the same. Riverport was a completely different level of experience. So much better.
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I guess we will be waiting for new theatres to be opening...two in the future maybe plaza 88 in new west and the berezan project in d/t surrey
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Kudos to Leonard Schein for ponying up $130k for the Park Theatre conversion. He's done more for cinema in Vancouver than anyone else.
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Not all IMAX theaters are created equal either. The one in Canada Place and the Science World OMNIMAX was clearly IMAX quality but the Richmond SilverCity Riverport is no different then a conventional 3D setup with an extra "IMAX" charge. Is the Langley Colossus "IMAX" just as bad?
You also have to take into account that Avatar was not shot with IMAX cameras. That's why it did not seem as high quality as maybe the movies you saw at Science World (Everest, Volcanoes etc. - I think all of the movies shown at SW) which were.
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Kudos to Leonard Schein for ponying up $130k for the Park Theatre conversion. He's done more for cinema in Vancouver than anyone else.
Hopefully someone can do the same for the Ridge Theatre. I heard it is closing soon...
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Hopefully someone can do the same for the Ridge Theatre. I heard it is closing soon...
Not surprising, last time I went it was dead. Someone needs to build a multiplex on the West side somewhere. Maybe at that site or Arbutus Mall.
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Not surprising, last time I went it was dead. Someone needs to build a multiplex on the West side somewhere. Maybe at that site or Arbutus Mall.
The 5th Ave theatre complex is probably the closest thing, and it always seems busy. I could see another one of that size working at Arbutus Mall. I can't think of anywhere else you'd put it. But then that might take people away from the Dunbar, which I would be sad to see go.
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maybe at UBC they could put a theatre
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Hopefully someone can do the same for the Ridge Theatre. I heard it is closing soon...
Just after you mentioned it, I read it in today's Courier! Its closing by the end of the year.
The article also has some interesting facts about single screen theatres, eg.:

..Ticket sales for the first Friday, Saturday and Sunday Alice in Wonderland's run Vancouver reveal The Park, with its single screen, earned one-third of what the nine-screen Scotiabank Theatre on Burrard pulled in by showing the movie on eight of it screens. Tinseltown, with its 12 screens, earned a bit less than The Park...

Read more: http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercourier/...eea-4485-8034-e352b8eeb427#ixzz0jpKw0s0K



http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercourier/news/story.html?id=553abd3a-2eea-4485-8034-e352b8eeb427
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vancouver "reels" from a lack of 3-d cinema screens? good to know.
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