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Tax increase way to boost city: Asper
Impassioned speech fires up Winnipeg business audience


By: Martin Cash | Winnipeg Free Press

29/05/2009 1:00 AM | Comments: 6



'You can’t say you want something to happen and at the same time not be prepared to pay for it’ -- David Asper ([email protected])

WINNIPEG – More than 300 business people gave David Asper a standing ovation at a luncheon speech Thursday even though one of his suggested remedies to knock Winnipeg out of its doldrums is anathema to business people far and wide -- a tax increase.

In an impassioned speech that would have been a barn-burner if he were running for public office, Asper went through the list of self-loathing elements of the Winnipeg state of mind and made a plea for the city to break away from its traditional constraints.

He proposed a two per cent increase in the provincial sales tax, calling it a COD (Control Our Destiny) tax.

Such an increase would raise an additional $300 million per year that Asper said could go into a special fund exclusively dedicated to infrastructure projects, with full transparency regarding how it is spent.

"It could become an important turning point in our history," he said, suggesting a number of projects that could be done with a windfall like that, from sprucing up Portage Avenue to fixing the zoo to revitalizing the Exchange District. The tax would have a legislated sunset and would only be allowed to remain past that date if an overwhelming number of people voted to retain it in a referendum.

"Proponents of sound fiscal policy have no problem with consumption tax," he said. "The great criticism of the GST cuts was that it was the wrong tax to cut."

He said people who want to see the city grow and prosper will appreciate its effectiveness.

"You can't say you want something to happen and at the same time not be prepared to pay for it," he said.

He ran through a short, personal list of some of the city's recent setbacks -- no more polar bears at the zoo even though Manitoba is known as a polar bear habitat; decades of studies concerning the city's major sports arena; decades of studies about rapid transit systems with still no rapid transit; and the loss of its NHL franchise.

"There comes a time when the talking has to stop," he said. "We have to bust through the policy paralysis."

He said whenever he travels and is asked by people why Winnipeg, "I always unflinchingly respond, 'Why not Winnipeg?'"

His impassioned speech was a plea to the business community to overcome the negatives to get things done.

"Right now in this town to execute you have to stick your neck way out and be prepared to get it chopped off, publicly," he said. "You have to withstand stiff opposition, be prepared to grow a thick skin, keep your head down, take risks and be prepared to suffer, sometimes for years."

He said there are signs that attitudes in the city are changing, but there is still a long way to go.

"This is my greatest fear," he said. "It is an ominous syndrome that is holding the city back from achieving greatness -- that we are afraid of greatness, even worse that we don't think we deserve to be great. And even when we are great we're too modest to crow about it."

He said his own project that might create some civic pride -- building a new stadium for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers -- is going well.

Asper needs to build a retail development on the site of the current Bomber stadium to fund construction of the new stadium.

"We have a number of impressive tenants in the middle of due diligence right now," he said. "The reaction has been very positive and we are on track."

As for the future of the Asper family's controlling stake in Canwest Global Communications Corp., which is in the throes of a desperate debt crisis, he said, "Given what goes on on a daily basis it is a little hard to imagine the end."

"But I will tell you this... there is plenty of fight in the dog."

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If this is strictly an "improve Winnipeg" tax, then it shouldn't be tied into the provincial sales tax.

It should instead be paid by citizens of Winnipeg with an increase in property taxes. It could easily be done without increased rates if the Provincial government would lower the education tax component of property tax, to allow the city to increase its rate to match what people are currently paying.

A 9% sales tax is a little crazy, especially given the fact I would be willing to bet the cuts to the GST are shortlived...
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This just go's to show how out of touch Asper is with reality, maybe Asper can go back to school and take a basic economics course where he will learn that taxation does nothing but stifle growth in the long run!
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This just go's to show how out of touch Asper is with reality, maybe Asper can go back to school and take a basic economics course where he will learn that taxation does nothing but stifle growth in the long run!
Are the other 300 business people who apparently gave him a standing ovation also out of touch with reality?
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If this is strictly an "improve Winnipeg" tax, then it shouldn't be tied into the provincial sales tax.

It should instead be paid by citizens of Winnipeg with an increase in property taxes. It could easily be done without increased rates if the Provincial government would lower the education tax component of property tax, to allow the city to increase its rate to match what people are currently paying.

A 9% sales tax is a little crazy, especially given the fact I would be willing to bet the cuts to the GST are shortlived...
Why should only those that own property be burdoned with the tax? A sales tax is more appropriate because those who are making purchases (and supposedly able to afford to make purchases) with their own disposable income have the option whether to make purchases or not. Why should those on a fixed income and don't go out much, thereby using less infrustructure, be penalized so that those who do use the roads with their cars can continue to do so and have someone pay for the upkeep. That makes no sense. A consumption tax like the GST & PST makes a lot more sense than either property taxes or income taxes because at least it's up to each individual whether they want to spend or not.
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true but if were going to do this then the tax is province wide and goes back into the coffers of the local minicipality town city it was paid in otherwise don't bother
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This is going to give Adler a lot to scream about today.
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Well, we have paid 14% in sales taxes before (7% GST, 7% PST). So why not?

I'd prefer it being a city sales tax though, being 2% MST (Municipal Sales Tax), 5% GST, and 7% PST.

Still, the idea of having more taxes is quite obvious, with everyone else not okay with it. But if it's the only way that this city can survive through this, then so be it.

We get what we pay for, right?
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on the bright side we would still pay less then onterio
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Well, we have paid 14% in sales taxes before (7% GST, 7% PST). So why not?

I'd prefer it being a city sales tax though, being 2% MST (Municipal Sales Tax), 5% GST, and 7% PST.

Still, the idea of having more taxes is quite obvious, with everyone else not okay with it. But if it's the only way that this city can survive through this, then so be it.

We get what we pay for, right?
Wonder, though, wouldn't a 2% MST that exists only in Winnipeg's boarder, only mean that more business, retail, etc, will setup shop just outside of the city? People would certainly rather make big purchases out there then.
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^ exactly. It could only work on property taxes within the city limits.

Like I said before, the government of Manitoba can give breaks on the education tax portion so it isn't even noticed by homeowners.

There is no way a 2% hike in the PST to only serve Winnipeg would ever work. It would be political suicide.
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^ exactly. It could only work on property taxes within the city limits.

Like I said before, the government of Manitoba can give breaks on the education tax portion so it isn't even noticed by homeowners.

There is no way a 2% hike in the PST to only serve Winnipeg would ever work. It would be political suicide.
If they gave breaks on the education tax portion, then they'd have to increase everyone's taxes somewhere else, no?
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^ I guess. But I am pretty sure the Province has been giving rural people breaks on the education tax for a few years now. It should be buried in the provinces finances and off our tax bills anyway.
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i have a feeling this is a prelude to asper running for the leadership of the NDP.
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Are the other 300 business people who apparently gave him a standing ovation also out of touch with reality?
Sadly this may be precisely why Winnipeg is in the state it is, when you have so called business people cheering for tax increases something is definitely wrong, guess this what 10 years of socialist rules does to a city and province!
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on the bright side we would still pay less then onterio
Except that the personal income tax levels are much lower in Ontario!
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i have a feeling this is a prelude to asper running for the leadership of the NDP.
No doubt.

I still say we should raise the PST by 4 percent and make Winnipeg the best city in the world.
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I wish Mr. Asper would landscape his parking lot north of the Canwest building. Just paving stones and trees of course, so that when it gets developed the materials can be recycled.
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I have long been a pro-Asper Family supporter, as they have done so much for the city and province, both from a business point of view and from a philanthropy record. They have made many contributions to many orgainizations including our universities and our local culture among many others, while keeping many high paid positions in Winnipeg, while many outsiders have pushed to move verything to Toronto years ago.

With that said I could not disagree with David Asper more in regards to this tax increase idea. It is among the stupidest I have ever heard, and the fact David Asper made it, makes it all the more disappointing. In the ned it would hurt many small businesses in the province, which is the back bone of Manitoba's economy, and cost many jobs.

While I do support seeing 2% of the current PST being handed over to the municipalities, it must be realized through rationalization of current government expenses and its measurable waste. An increase of the sales tax would take money out of the hands of local business and put it into the government, who have be proven to be far less adept at allocating resources efficently than the private sector. The lower multipler effect of government spending is evidience of this fact and is no suprise to anyone. The strength of the economy is indicated by its output. Creating a disincentive to spend only works towards lowering demand, which impacts supply, and eventually investment and jobs.

I think David needs to completely rethink this whole concept, by perhaps taking in some of the teachings of the Asper School of Business.. ironic really.

Wake up David!!
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