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Old Posted Aug 19, 2008, 9:00 PM
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I knew this was gonna happen......Sochi 2014 is the Beijing 2008 of the Winter Games, and Vancouver 2010 will remain as the Sydney 2000 of the Winter Games.



USOC, Chicago 2016 Not Consulted On Resolution To Kill Sochi 2014 Olympic Games

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August 7, 2008 5:30 p.m.

Pressing the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to revoke the planned Sochi 2014 Olympic Games from Russia is a "particular and special action" to a "very serious conflict" U.S. Representative Allyson Schwartz told GamesBids.com Friday.

On Thursday Schwartz, along with Representative Bill Shuster, announced intentions to introduce a resolution to Congress calling on the IOC to react and punish the Russian Federation for the invasion of the Republic of Georgia that commenced during the opening ceremonies of the Beijing Olympic Games.

"This is just one of a number of possible reactions to the situation", said Schwartz referring to how the United States will deal with the crisis.

"We are voicing the opinion of several members, and if the resolution passes, the entire congress.

Schwartz and Shuster are actively recruiting members' support and are reportedly asking for legislators in other countries to follow suit.

But the IOC would face huge risks should they change venues at this time. Despite the resolution's claim that "...there is still sufficient time to designate a new host city ... and to allow a new host city adequate time to prepare to host a successful Olympics" - with five-and-a-half years remaining organizers are already under severe time pressure. The IOC Coordination Commission's Jean-Claude Killy in April announced that not a single day could be wasted.

A similar resolution was introduced to congress in 2001 when Representative Tom Lantos condemned China's human rights record and urged the IOC not to elect Beijing to host the 2008 Olympic Games. However, the resolution wasn't passed and House Majority Leader Dick Armey said that he believed the IOC would not be influenced by a house vote against China. This didn't concern Schwartz however, "Each situation has to be taken on its own" she said.

Chicago is currently bidding for the 2016 Olympic Games and a team in Beijing is actively lobbying IOC members for their support - but Schwartz admitted that she has not been in contact with the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) or Chicago 2016 and has not heard any reaction from them.
"I'm not the first one to draw [the IOC's] attention to the conflict; it is a difficult and threatening situation. We do this with the greatest respect to the Olympic Games and the International Olympic Committee.

There has been tension between the United States and the IOC since 1999 when Senator John McCain - an outspoken critic of the IOC - used the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee he chaired to pressure the IOC to reform and for the President, Juan Antonio Samaranch, to resign in wake of the Salt Lake City bribery scandal. IOC resentment has been partially blamed for the dismal results of New York's bid for the 2012 Olympic Games.

Earlier reports that Georgia was encouraging the U.S. resolution was denied by the Congresswoman and she said things could still change.

"It depends what happens with Russia's compliance [to the ceasefire]. It could change over the next couple of weeks but this is a very serious conflict that has recently escalated."








Georgia unrest poses problems for Sochi 2014


By Roger Blitz in Beijing

Published: August 11 2008 04:25 | Last updated: August 11 2008 04:25

Russia’s preparations for hosting the 2014 winter Olympics in Sochi are likely to face difficulties on two fronts because of its support for the separatist movements in the breakaway regions of Georgia.

First, Sochi, the Black Sea resort, has been the scene of two unexplained explosions in the past six weeks that have killed four people, and the suspicion is that they may have been caused by disaffected elements from nearby Abkhazia, one of the breakaway regions, wanting to sabotage Sochi’s Games preparations.

On Wednesday, an explosion killed two people and injured 13 on a beach in Sochi prompting President Dmitry Medvedev to send an envoy to the city. It follows an explosion last month in an apartment building which killed two people.

Secondly, much of the construction work required to make the Games a reality is meant to be carried out by foreign companies from countries such as the UK and the US, both of which yesterday expressed alarm about Russia’s actions.

Dmitry Chernyshenko, chief executive of Sochi 2014, on Sunday said in Beijing he was unconcerned about the conflict affecting Sochi, which is a 15-minute drive from Abkhazia. ”This has nothing to do with the preparations for the Games,” he said. ”There is nothing funny in what’s happening. It is very sad what’s going on in the world.”

Sochi is the pet project of Vladimir Putin. The Russian prime minister turned up in person to sway members of the International Olympic Committee meeting in Guatemala City last year to decide the venue for the 2014 winter Olympics and has been at the forefront of its preparations.

He was in Beijing on Friday for China’s Olympics opening ceremony, meeting IOC members already nervous about the possibility of Georgia pulling its team out of the Games, and no doubt trying to dispel their anxieties about the effect of the conflict on the Sochi preparations. The following day he flew straight to a Russian city adjoining the separatist Georgian region.

Jean-Claude Killy, the IOC’s chief inspector for the Sochi Games, said the organisation had total confidence in Sochi.

For Russia, hosting the 2014 Games marks far more than the conversion of the Black Sea resort, for decades a favoured retreat of Kremlin hierarchy, into a world tourist destination. As with China’s Beijing Games, Russia believes that the Olympic brand gives it a stamp of international approval and respectability and an opportunity to instil nationalist pride.

And like Beijing, Russia’s government is committing vast amounts of money to build the infrastructure required for the 2014 Games, upwards of $12bn. Some 240 projects are planned, 75 of which are related to the Games.

Sochi, 1,500km from Moscow, Sochi has limited road access, a poor sewage system and an inadequate port. The regeneration of Sochi and the Krasnodar region in which it sits requires the building of more than 100km of railway lines, 75km of federal highways, 19 flyovers, 20 tunnels, 5,000m of mooring installations, a new waste processing plant, and a port for a capacity of 10 ships and 300 yachts, plus goods terminals and port stations.

The Games are six years away, and Russia has little time to waste in its preparations. While they can call upon companies like Gazprom and Vladimir Potanin’s Interros Holding Co to lend support to projects in the Krasnodar region, Sochi’s organisers acknowledge that they need a vast army of contractors, some 200,000 of them, and many of these will come from outside Russia.

IOC chief inspector for the Sochi Games, Jean-Claude Killy, a former Olympic champion, said the Games would be a success.

"We are totally confident they are going to make magnificent Games," Killy told a crowd at an event co-hosted by Sochi and the Vancouver 2010 Olympics organizing committee.

Sochi moved some of its planned venues recently following an environmental report, and has pledged to start construction of all venues no later than 2009 and complete them by 2012 to allow sufficient time for testing.
     
     
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I knew this was gonna happen......Sochi 2014 is the Beijing 2008 of the Winter Games, and Vancouver 2010 will remain as the Sydney 2000 of the Winter Games.
I get the Sochi-Beijing connection, but not the Sydney-Vancouver one. Do you mean that the Vancouver games will be relatively uncontroversial?
     
     
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I get the Sochi-Beijing connection, but not the Sydney-Vancouver one. Do you mean that the Vancouver games will be relatively uncontroversial?
Uncontroversial, full of energy and atmosphere, and a huge success.
     
     
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Vancouver should become the first city to host two winter Olympics in a row!
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Vancouver should become the first city to host two winter Olympics in a row!
isn't that the policy? if a city isn't able to host the olympics at the last minute, it goes back to the previous city to host it?
     
     
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isn't that the policy? if a city isn't able to host the olympics at the last minute, it goes back to the previous city to host it?
They'll pick a previous host city (so all the venues are ready), but not necessarily the immediately previous host city.
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This is pretty stupid, either this chick is a total idiot or shes being payed by someone to do this. Im amazed at the biasness of the western media towards the situation in Georgia.
Now obviously Russia has reasons to keep Georgia under its sphear of influence, predictable and stable, but there defenitly is no invasdion. First of all Georgia was the one who attacked, second of all Russia already had a presence mostly because there were Chechnyan rebels operating from there and taking refuge, infact the bombings on the Moscow metro a few years back were done by Georgian citizens. The other reason they had a presence there was because there was a civil war in the 90's after separation, Russia came in as a official peace keeper to stop it and help stabilize the region while they were fighting their own war rght accross the border.

Most importantly the fact that Russia stepped in saved thousands of lives and prevented a costly and destabilizing civil war like in the 90`s, so no matter what their motives, their actions were beneficial to Georgia. And to top it off its pretty darn clear that America has its fingers involved in this whole situation.

Personally I cant wait till Sochi hosts the games because the city will amaze allot of people. Its really a hidden gem of the world.

edit: should add that terrorist atacks are a huge risk since Sochi is so close to Chechnya...the rebellion there might have been pretty much crushed mostly thanks to Afghanistan sucking all the islamic militants away...but there are still going to be people left that are capable and wanting to carry out attacks against the games and Russia.
     
     
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isn't that the policy? if a city isn't able to host the olympics at the last minute, it goes back to the previous city to host it?
Can you imagine if that happened??? 2 Olympics for the price of 1
     
     
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Can you imagine if that happened??? 2 Olympics for the price of 1
More like 2 Olympics for the price of 2... and the benefits of 1.
     
     
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This is pretty stupid, either this chick is a total idiot or shes being payed by someone to do this. Im amazed at the biasness of the western media towards the situation in Georgia.
Now obviously Russia has reasons to keep Georgia under its sphear of influence, predictable and stable, but there defenitly is no invasdion. First of all Georgia was the one who attacked, second of all Russia already had a presence mostly because there were Chechnyan rebels operating from there and taking refuge, infact the bombings on the Moscow metro a few years back were done by Georgian citizens. The other reason they had a presence there was because there was a civil war in the 90's after separation, Russia came in as a official peace keeper to stop it and help stabilize the region while they were fighting their own war rght accross the border.

Most importantly the fact that Russia stepped in saved thousands of lives and prevented a costly and destabilizing civil war like in the 90`s, so no matter what their motives, their actions were beneficial to Georgia. And to top it off its pretty darn clear that America has its fingers involved in this whole situation.

Personally I cant wait till Sochi hosts the games because the city will amaze allot of people. Its really a hidden gem of the world.

edit: should add that terrorist atacks are a huge risk since Sochi is so close to Chechnya...the rebellion there might have been pretty much crushed mostly thanks to Afghanistan sucking all the islamic militants away...but there are still going to be people left that are capable and wanting to carry out attacks against the games and Russia.
Well that was worlds more biased than any 'western' media report I have heard!

First off there definitely was an invasion. Russian forces have 'invaded' Georgian territory and have threatened Georgia's sovereignty as a whole. In fact as it stands Russian troops are sitting no more than 50km from the Georgian capital Tbilisi, well outside of the troubled regions.

The provinces are part of Georgia and it was an internal conflict when Russia decided to sent troops into Georgia. The situation is akin to if we were having issues in Quebec and the US invaded Canada under the guise of protecting American citizens in Quebec. It stinks of military boisterism and frankly given the clowns running the Kremlin right now I am not in the least surprised. Russia wanted to rattle it’s saber following the US military actions in the middle east and missile defense shield standoff… what better place for a show of force than a small country seeking NATO alliance.

And Russia's benevolent peace keeping action as you paint it to be has actually already cost thousands of lives. Stepping in to stop what might have become a civil war and might have cost thousands of lives.... or just invading and killing thousands... doesn't sound like such a fairy tale situation to me.

Now don’t get me wrong I don’t think that the Georgian government is some poor abused entity, they were acting very heavy handedly in their treatment of dissidents in South Ossietia and certainly were in the wrong too. This does not however justify a unilateral invasion of their sovereign soil. This issue should have been taken care of where it belongs, in the UN. Too bad the UN has all the potency of a fluffy teddy bear and its existence does little to discourage actions like this or the US invasion of Iraq. If the UN were more willing to act wars like this and issues we have been seeing in central Africa would be much less frequent… although that is a whole other can of worms.

On a more positive note Sochi is indeed a hidden gem and I hope the world takes note in 2014… although they better not outshine Vancouver!
     
     
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Like I said, the Beijing 2008 of the Winter Games....
     
     
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More like 2 Olympics for the price of 2... and the benefits of 1.
Not really, there aren't any capital costs involved in hosting it a second time (well, there would be since we'd need to find new Olympic Villages for example, but those costs are minor when we get a developer in as well) and capital costs would be the taxpayer's responsibility.....the only cost would be the operational costs (~$1.6 billion), but that's always paid entirely for by sponsorships, ticketing, merchandise, etc.

Security on the other hand...


If we were to host it twice in a row, it would be like getting more mileage out of all the capital investments we've made. It really is two Olympics for the price of one.

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^^^Not to change the subject but...
You gotta stop watching some of these news channels. Russia definitely has strategic reasons to be involved but according to set precedents and events in the region in the 90's they have every right to be there. Georgia attacked Ossetia, which they had a cease fire with, since it declared independence 16 years ago and they had a civil war. During that civil war Russia ended up being the third party mediator and peace keeper in the province. Before Georgia attacked they were warned days before by Russia that they would intervene in any conflict, Georgia signed another ceasefire but then ignored a day later and invaded. They ended up shelling the capita city, not with precision weapons which resulted in indiscriminate damage and the death of several Russian peace keeprs. Russa responded how they said they would respond, they intervened drove the |Georgians back out of the province and then took out their offensive capabilities. Tblis by the way is just under 50km from the Ossetia border. Anyways if you really are interested in the issue then you shoukld do some research because it will show that the western media truly is biased for some odd reason and people are falling for it. Should add that obviously theres something in it for Russia but thats beyond the point. also Russia most definitely did not kill thousand of people like I said they saved thousand of lives by repelling Georgian forces and preventing a blood civil war.
     
     
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No doubt Georgia is also at blame here, I distinctly said it certainly was to blame as well, all I was saying is that what you had posted was even more Russian biased than much of the western media has been Georgian biassed. (which how am I to stay away from since I only speak English?). While Russia had some right to come into South Osiettia and attempt to place them in between the Georgians and Osettians they have gone far past the Georgian province of SO and have been bombing civilian targets within Georgia, and like I said occuping positions just outside of Tiblisi, far inside Georgia. This includes the cluster bombing of the city of Gori, weapons declared illegal by numerous international bodies, let alone being dropped on an urban civilian area. Far from a benevolent peace keeping mission I would say. There is a large difference from the multilateral UN peace keeping missions with strict rules of engagement and the military actions of Russia in Georgia. I think this is why you see an anti Russian bias in the media, as they have far overstepped their bounds and acted incredibly heavily handedly in a situation that only had the possibility of spilling over into a civil war. Even by Russian estimates the number of casualties in the initial skirmishes were in the neighbourhood of 60. This to me does not justify the intensive military campaign Russia has embarked on, and Russia’s actions are certainly worthy of international scorn. Has the western media been biased? Yes certainly, but that is no surprise, one can only surmise the Russian media has been far more biased itself, thankfully no one outside of Russia pays it any mind. It is all really a moot point however, as Sochi will never lose the games because of this small international incident, unless it continues out longer or escalates further.
     
     
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all comments aside, why is it that the United States is allowed to invade any country on the planet that they so choose and when someone else does it, they get all upset and hypocritical about it. i mean seriously, if i were Putin, i'd be telling Bush "get the hell out of Iraq, and then we'll talk". not that i agree with Russia invading Georgia at all.

anyhow, back to Sochi losing the 2014 games, i say do it strip them of the games. however, my choice for a Canadian host city would be Calgary. i couldn't see it being a positive idea for the city of Vancouver to host the games twice in a row.
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all comments aside, why is it that the United States is allowed to invade any country on the planet that they so choose and when someone else does it, they get all upset and hypocritical about it. i mean seriously, if i were Putin, i'd be telling Bush "get the hell out of Iraq, and then we'll talk". not that i agree with Russia invading Georgia at all.
Within the context of history (even in the near term) all countries are hypocritics. I'd rather the Americans be hypocritical on this issue than silent. However, they have blunted their (perceived) moral authority with their actions in Iraq.
     
     
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New renderings of the Sochi 2014 Winter Games venues:


Primary Ice arena



Secondary Ice Hockey Arena



Biathlon Complex



Alpine Skiing Center




Curling Arena




Jumps K-125, K-95




Olympic City - home of indoor ice venues, Olympic Village, Media Village, and Media Centres

     
     
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Wow. Those look AMAZING.

Bet I have a better chance of getting hockey tickets to Sochi 2014

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very cool, thanks for the renders.
     
     
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wow.

damned russians. one imagines that they're wasting money of a load of cool venues that'll be tough to legacy, but it sure does make the mouth water to see those. and here i felt pleased about the ice rink at ubc, damn.
     
     
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