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Old Posted Jun 6, 2008, 12:01 AM
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Beijing Olympic chiefs are introducing an official cheer for patriotic spectators to spur on Team China at the Games, Chinese media reports.

The authoritative, four-part Olympic cheer, accompanied by detailed instructions, will be promoted on TV, in schools and with a poster campaign.

It involves clapping twice, giving the thumbs-up, clapping twice more and then punching the air with both arms.

The cheer is accompanied by chants of "Olympics", "Let's go" and "China".

The Beijing Olympic Organising Committee has hired 30 cheering squads who will show spectators how it is done at Games stadia, reports Xinhua state media.

'Civilized cheering'

A committee official said the simple chants and gestures were designed to help spectators cheer for their favourite athletes in a smooth, civilized manner.

The Ministry of Education is also arranging special training sessions in schools for the 800,000 students who are expected to attend the Games.

Li Ning, president of the Beijing Etiquette Institute, told the Beijing News that the cheer was in line with general international principles for cheering, while at the same time possessing characteristics of Chinese culture.

     
     
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what?... lol
     
     
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Oh Beijing, so out of touch.
Sad thing is that for many Chinese people the government is the trend-setter. Expect to see a lot of people doing this ridiculous dance.
     
     
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This is hilarious HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
     
     
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I thought this kind of cheering style is quite common among the asian countries, especially in South Korea, Japan and even Taiwan. Have you seen a soccer match between Korea and Japan? The fans from both countries sang and cheer loudly for their teams in such a uniformity that you would have thought that they are from the army.

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Many Asian countries are conformist by nature. That's part why you should never J-walk in Japan. People will start following you across the street especially if you are a larger white male. They just follow by nature it seems and in my experience, so not entirely surprising that the government wants to put out a cheer like this to promote the Chinese competitors.

If you've ever been to a sporting event where the entire stadium is chanting the same thing be it Soccer, Football, or Hockey, you'll understand the power that chanting has in pumping up the home team. A lot more power than random hoots and horn blowing.

I'll reserve judgment until I see it on TV and how it comes across in reality.
     
     
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Actually, they're introducing this in many schools as the new formal greeting, replacing the 10 degree bow on complaints that bowing is Soooo... Japanese and so therefore it would an unpatriotic and no longer an appropriate gesture to bow in formal greetings.
     
     
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The beginnings of a communist rally. :p j/k
     
     
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Networks, Olympics organizers clash

By STEPHEN WADE, AP Sports Writer 18 minutes ago

BEIJING - Television networks that will broadcast the Beijing Olympics to billions around the world are squaring off with local organizers over stringent security that threatens coverage of the games in two months.

Differences over a wide range of issues — from limits on live coverage in Tiananmen Square to allegations that freight shipments of TV broadcasting equipment are being held up in Chinese ports — surfaced in a contentious meeting late last month between Beijing organizers and high-ranking International Olympic Committee officials and TV executives — including those from NBC.

In response to the complaints from broadcasters, Sun Weijia, head of media operations for the Beijing organizers, asked them to put it in writing, only to draw protests about mounting paperwork.

"I think what I have heard here are just a number of conditions or requirements that are just not workable," said IOC official Gilbert Felli, according to minutes of the May 29 meeting obtained by The Associated Press. "There are a number of things that are just not feasible."

Despite the outburst, Sun asked again to have the complaints in writing.

"I just wish to have a kind of document to help me identify the key points," he said, drawing immediate protest.

"How many times do we have to do that?" asked Manolo Romero, an Olympic broadcasting official.

With time running out before the games open on Aug. 8, the minutes hint that procedures broadcasters have used in other Olympics are conflicting with China's authoritarian government. Some plans are months behind schedule, which could force broadcasters to compromise coverage plans.

The meeting in Beijing included representatives of nine broadcasters, each of which has paid for the rights to broadcast the Olympics. Top IOC officials and Beijing organizers were also on hand in what one TV executive termed an "emergency meeting."

Non-rights holding broadcasters — news organizations that have not bought TV rights to cover Olympic action at the venues — did not attend the meeting but also are concerned about delays and security restrictions.

"We are two weeks away from putting equipment on a shipment and we have no clearance to operate, or to enter the country or a frequency allocation," said Sandy MacIntyre, director of news for AP Television News. APTN is the television arm of The Associated Press.

Unnerved by protests on international legs of the Olympic torch relay following the outbreak of deadly rioting March 14 in Tibet, China's communist government seems to be backtracking on some promises to let reporters work as they have in previous Olympics.

The government also has tightened visa rules in the last several months. One target has been students. The government fears many would side with activist groups if protests break out.

The minutes of the meeting show behind-the-scenes dialogue that differs markedly from the IOC's public statements about smooth cooperation with Beijing organizers. In an interview, one broadcaster who attended the meeting summed up the problem.

"The Chinese are very concerned about something going wrong — and so they are in Olympic gridlock," said John Barton, director of sport for the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union, which represents broadcasters in 57 countries.

"This is the greatest moment in their sporting history," Barton said. "They've built a stage on which they want to perform, but they are rather queasy about how it should be shown."

"They are suffocating the television coverage in the crazy pursuit of security. They can't secure the event. Nothing can be totally secure, yet they are trying to do that."


Chinese officials say more than 500,000 people will handle security during the games, equaling the number of foreign visitors expected. Public security officials said a few days ago that protests won't be allowed — unless protesters get a permit — with arrests or expulsion likely. Some athletes in Beijing also are expected to speak out against Chinese policies on Tibet or Darfur.

The rights-holding broadcasters generally lauded the organizers' preparations, but worried about being stuck in a quagmire of security requirements. The meeting was held under the auspices of Beijing Olympic Broadcasting — also know as BOB.

BOB is a joint venture between the Beijing Olympic organizers and an IOC subsidiary. BOB coordinates and provides technical services for the television networks with rights to broadcast the Olympics, such as NBC.

Gary Zenkel, the president of NBC Olympics, told the meeting the issues "can be solved" and suggested the prospects are better than Athens or Turin, where he described some unspecified problems as "irresolvable."

"This can be the world's greatest Olympics," Zenkel said, crediting Beijing organizers. But he said certain "obstacles" are hindering the organizers.

"I don't know who they are or how to get to them collectively, but we must get to them," Zenkel added. "Because these games will suffer and these problems will be presented to the world and they don't do justice to these Olympics. ... This is a big day for China and the Olympics and it may be lost if there isn't any immediate change or movement made by the government, or whoever. It has to happen. We hope the wakeup call is heard."

Several TV executives were upset there might be no live coverage from Tiananmen Square. This is a change from two months ago when IOC officials in Beijing said China had agreed to allow live coverage. Broadcasters also have been told there's unlikely to be live coverage from the Forbidden City.

Chinese police fear both might be venues for activists' protests, which would be a public relations disaster if demonstrations — and police crackdowns — are beamed around the world.

"For us to potentially not be able to do live reports from Tiananmen — the most iconic place in China — is a disgrace," said Scott Moore, executive director of Canada's CBC Sports. "I've been told that to do business in China, you have to have patience. We don't have time to have patience. The games have begun for us already."


TV executives appear skeptical they will be able to deliver the kind of coverage they have in past games. Some say Chinese officials are requiring that forms be filled out specifying where satellite trucks will be each day of the games. The IOC says about 2,000 TV trucks usually go in and out of Olympic venues every day during the games.

These kind of restrictions could make it very difficult for TV crews to move quickly around the sprawling city to cover breaking news. Broadcasters also have been denied permits to record aerial views of Tiananmen Square and the Forbidden City.

Relaxing the rules and allowing Olympic broadcasters to avoid government censorship was one of the concessions China made to land the games in 2001. Now officials appear to be nervous about it, with TV executives complaining that high-tech TV equipment has been held up in Chinese ports.

Sun Weide, a spokesman for the Beijing organizing committee, denied there were delays in getting equipment into China.

"As far as we know, the importation of broadcast equipment has been going smoothly," he said.

Any interference with news coverage will be at odds with promises made seven years ago when Beijing was awarded the games. At the time, Wang Wei, the executive vice president of the Beijing organizing committee, said the news media would have "complete freedom to report on anything when they come to China."

The government enacted a law 18 months ago giving foreign reporters "free access" to report. The law has been helpful, although some areas of the country — such as Tibet — are still off limits. Reporters still complain of harassment, particularly away from Beijing where provincial authorities seem unaware of the new rules.

"In Athens we were pretty much allowed to film whatever we wanted, wherever and whenever," said Tomoyo Igaya, senior program director for Japan's NHK Sports and head of the Japan consortium, an Olympic pool that represents NHK and five Japanese commercial broadcasters.

Igaya attended the May 29 meeting and told colleagues she thought the disputes could be resolved. She also raised the specter of more pressure if they are not. She hinted at unspecified "legal-financial" action.

Igaya said China might be forced to loosen up with more than 30,000 accredited and non-accredited journalists expected to cover the games, which Chinese officials hope will polish the country's image as the rising political and economic power of the 21st century.

"We've been talking about this internally for some time," Igaya said. "Maybe when there are thousands of broadcasters and press in Beijing, maybe they won't be able to keep an eye on every single person. There will be just so many. But on the other hand, it's China — you know the population of the country. You could maybe have people keeping an eye on every journalist and broadcaster. Who knows."

"I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that everything goes well."








The government sounds like a bunch of control freaks.....they really need to relax.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2008, 1:19 AM
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I can guarantee this would be the 1st and last time China will ever host the olympic game!

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I can guarantee this would be the 1st and last time China will ever host the olympic game!
Probably a good bet.
     
     
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I doubt that. This will be the first time, but there will likely be a change in the government as the country modernizes. It will likely probably be the last until changes happen, however.

It will an interesting Olympics, that's for sure. The world is a different place these days, but this may rival controversies such as in 1976 when the "Republic of China(Taiwan)" boycotted the games because they were unable to use that name, given that the the "People's Republic of China" was attending. Because of that a bunch of other countries walked out on the second day.

Or how about Moscow in 1980, where the US-led boycott had quite an impact, with 40+ nations in the "west" boycotting the games (China didn't attend either, interestingly). At the end of the games, LA's flag instead of the US flag was held up to represent the next Olympics. During those games, many countries used the Olympic flag instead of their country flag in the procession.

The Olympics have a long history of controversy and corruption. This won't end in China.
     
     
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A lot of people forget that, as much as China has changed in the past 20 years, it still has a lot of catching up to do. Has anyone here ever been to a concert (dance, classical music) in China? It isn't pretty. Basic etiquette such turning off mobile phones, not making phone calls or talking during the performance often isn't observed (although it is definitely better in Beijing and Shanghai) -- not necessarily because they're being deliberately rude, but because your average Joe Bloggs on the street simply doesn't know how to behave. To give you a related example, in China I can recall several instances where I've sat next to people on airplanes who don't know figuring out how to fasten their seat belts. One guy ended up just tying his seatbelt in a knot!

Having people learn a chant isn't only about mobilizing the home side to support their team in an orderly and concerted fashion -- although I do agree with Hong Kongese and jhauser's observations. It's also about educating people about HOW to support the home team.
     
     
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Funny how with all the hoopla on how great their opening ceremonies will be by some posters that no one has mentioned a big piece of news annouced a few days ago.

There will be no fireworks allowed to be set off in Beijing for a 5 month period leading up to and including during the games. The motive isn't quite clear if it is for security reasons or in an attempt to keep the air as clean as possible.


I disagree with some of the posters above, I have no doubt China will again host the olympics, it might be a ways off but it will happen again probably before the turn of the century. I also expect North Korea to host the games before I die.
     
     
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A lot of people forget that, as much as China has changed in the past 20 years, it still has a lot of catching up to do. Has anyone here ever been to a concert (dance, classical music) in China? It isn't pretty. Basic etiquette such turning off mobile phones, not making phone calls or talking during the performance often isn't observed (although it is definitely better in Beijing and Shanghai) -- not necessarily because they're being deliberately rude, but because your average Joe Bloggs on the street simply doesn't know how to behave. To give you a related example, in China I can recall several instances where I've sat next to people on airplanes who don't know figuring out how to fasten their seat belts. One guy ended up just tying his seatbelt in a knot!

Having people learn a chant isn't only about mobilizing the home side to support their team in an orderly and concerted fashion -- although I do agree with Hong Kongese and jhauser's observations. It's also about educating people about HOW to support the home team.
A dose of misplaced loyalty, rampant nationalism (I seriously HATE nationalism... petty squabbles about lines on a map.) and indoctrination.

Reminds me of the Women's Soccer match last year between Germany and Japan



Now if that isn't a byproduct of rampant nationalism (have to read the article) then I don't know what is.

edit: Actually, this is probably a better article:
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/7281

It says basically that it's common to do things like booing during national anthems as misguided nationalism. It's probably why there are "government-sanctioned" cheers.

In saying all this, though, I put less blame on the Chinese people themselves, and more with the education and possibly government previous policies in educating their citizenry. There's a lot of inequality in China still, and where inequality exists, people do whatever they can to be "top dog." This leads to a general attitude that there isn't really such a thing as "unacceptable" conduct if it accomplishes the end goal... which in terms of the Olympics, means China must win all the gold medals. prejudice and ethnic hatred is learned, not inherited. The west is still working on it as well, but it took more than 50 years to do so.

Other conduct such as public spitting are being campaigned against too.

It's good that Beijing is stressing etiquette... I just hope it continues going forward.

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As someone that is on the front line so to speak, I can safely say that China is at the very least a generation away from having a basic level of etiquette. Shanghai, which is supposed to be a shining example of civilized China, is still very rough around the edges. Not that I mind. I like the rugged nature of the city and country. It's the new wild west. Having said that there are still a few things that bother me. Spitting, sneezing and coughing without covering one's mouth, cutting in to queues, theft and littering (this one even the 'elite' do). The biggest problem that China will have to deal with during the Olympics is the issue of theft. If you're in a large crowd in any major city and you're a visible minority, you have a huge target on your head. I've been robbed once and thwarted another two attempts in my 2 and a half years in SH. This goes back to tintinium's comment on inequality. Everyone wants a piece of the new China, no matter what the cost. The indifference I witnessed by the police after one kid tried to steal my camera was off putting to say the least. If that little malcontent was over the age of 18 I would have thrown him in to the Huangpu River.
     
     
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Speaking of inequality:




Beijing 'sorry' for offending disabled


June 2, 2008 - 3:26PM
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Beijing Olympics organisers have apologised for offending disabled people and scrapped a training manual for volunteers which sparked a wave of protest.

The offending guide has been pulled while authorities revise "inappropriate language" applied to the disabled.

"Some mistakes were made in describing people with disabilities," said a website statement from the organising body BOCOG.

"We would like to express our sincere apologies to those organisations, athletes with disabilities and friends who were offended by our publication."

The manual had met with foreign and domestic criticism, the statement said.

"As such BOCOG has decided to recall and rewrite this booklet."

The manual for volunteers, first reported by AAP, said disabled people could be unsocial, stubborn, controlling, defensive and have a strong sense of inferiority.

Physically disabled people were "often" mentally healthy, it said.

Volunteers at the Olympics and Paralympics had been instructed not to call Paralympians or disabled spectators "crippled" or "lame", even if they were "just joking".

Zhang Qiuping, director of Beijing's Paralympic Games, had attributed the problems last week to poor translation.

"Probably it's cultural difference and mistranslation," Zhang told the Associated Press in Beijing.

The Chinese-language version of the text, however, was nearly identical to the English, using essentially the same clumsy stereotypes to refer to the disabled.

"For the problems ... that the guide used inappropriate language to describe people with disabilities, we've already asked the author to modify the relevant content."

"If it (language) was deliberate, than it's unforgivable," said Patrick Ng, secretary of the Hong Kong Paralympic Committee.

"But if it's just a mistake then it needs to be amended or changed so it doesn't cause more offence."

"The language used in this guide is certainly not ideal," said the British Paralympic team.

"However, the existence of such a guide shows that attitudes towards disability in China are developing and therefore should be seen as progress."

About 70,000 volunteers have been recruited for the August 8-24 Olympics, with 30,000 more being trained for the September 6-17 Paralympic Games.

But many others will work in unofficial capacities as guides at the city's bus stops and subway stations.

All told, volunteers are expected to outnumber the 500,000 foreign visitors expected for the Olympics.

Their scrapped instruction guide had told them that disabled people "show no differences in sensation, reaction, memorisation and thinking mechanism from other people, but they might have unusual personalities because of disfigurement and disability".

"For example, some physically disabled are isolated, unsocial, and introspective; they usually do not volunteer to contact people," it said.

"They can be stubborn and controlling; they may be sensitive and struggle with trust issues.

"Sometimes they are overly protective of themselves, especially when they are called crippled or paralysed."

China's treatment of the disabled has in the past angered Australian swimming great Dawn Fraser, who cited it as one reason she won't be going to Beijing.

She said in April she had seen disabled athletes spat on in the streets in Beijing during university games in the mid-1990s.

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I disagree with some of the posters above, I have no doubt China will again host the olympics, it might be a ways off but it will happen again probably before the turn of the century. I also expect North Korea to host the games before I die.
I hope you will live till 300 years old!
     
     
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Nah if I make it to the end of this century I'm sure that'll be enough to see current day North Korea hold the games.
I look forward to staying at the Ryugyong Hotel once it's completed.

I also wouldn't be suprised to see Cuba hold the games in my lifetime.
     
     
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