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Lakota Indians Secede from the US, Declaration of Continuing Independence



Russell Means Continues to Advocate for Lakota Secession
Have the Lakota Natives Found the Means to Secede from the United States?

By Brant McLaughlin
"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,"says Lakota Native Russell Means, former Libertarian Presidential candidate and now angry secessionist.
According to Means, the new Lakota Nation will not charge any taxes and will issue its own national drivers licenses and passports, but there will be loosely confederated autonomous communities within the nation each making its own community rules.

Means is trying to break from a 150-year-old treaty with the United States that makes the large Lakota Reservation part of the U.S. He insists that according to Article VI of the United States Constitution, treaties are the supreme law of the land, and they can be renounced if they were essentially worthless-which is exactly how he characterizes the Lakota-United States treaties of 1851 and 1868.

Means insists that the treaties were designed to make the Native people sovereign, yet in practice they are anything but sovereign.

Lakota territory cuts across North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Montana. The Lakota are the largest sub-division of the Dakota Nation of Native Americans and are renowned for their prowess in hunting buffalo.

Means says that his deeply troubled people are sick and tired of being treated as second-class citizens under an apartheid system imposed upon them, and that if they take back their autonomy they can cure their societal ills and be a great nation.

The Lakota elders demanded of their people in 1974 that their community begin making lasting relationships with the international community and re-establishing their identity and autonomy.

This week, the secessionists visited the U.S. State Department along with the embassies of Bolivia, Venezuela, Chile, and South Africa in order to seek formal recognition.

"I sincerely hope that this turns out for the best. It sounds like the Lakota are working with other nations to build an infrastructure-- they're apparently building alternative energy sources: 'Energy independence using solar, wind, geothermal, and sugar beets enables Lakota to protect our freedom and provide electricity and heating to our people,'" writes the blogger at No Cookies for Me.

This journalist finds mixed feelings about this even in the people I'm corresponding with. There seems to be embattled hope and fear; and not everyone of Native American descent agrees that this move is wise or even necessary.

On the other hand, they make it clear that some Native Americans, especially of certain tribes or nations such as the Lakota, have been fed up with their predicament for a long time and they are exhilarated to see a stand being taken. But they aren't sure how the Bush Whitehouse will take to this move.

I, personally, am looking forward to the experiment.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/497959/russell_means_continues_to_advocate.html

Republic of Lakota website: http://www.republicoflakota.com
A podcast interview with Mean is also on the site, as well as the secession letter that was hand-delivered to the State Department.

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So does that mean we don't have to pay for their free college educations anymore?
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This is kind of a big deal
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Turks Express Support For Declaration Of Independence By Native Americans


Following recent news about Native American Sioux-Lakota tribe's declaration of independence from the U.S., a message of support from Turks was sent to the tribe’s representative Russell Means.

Turkish Consumers Union President Bulent Deniz wrote in his message to Means, “This independence that you have declared against U.S. - the main actor of imperialism - has pleased and excited every one in the world that stands up against imperialism. In the present situation of the continuing tragedy in Iraq, this initiative of the real owners of American lands is fully supported by the Turkish Consumers Union”.

Source: Milliyet, Turkey, December 26, 2007

Posted at: 2007-12-26

http://www.thememriblog.org/turkey/blog_personal/en/4279.htm



Lakota withdraw from treaties, declare independence from U.S.



The Lakota Sioux Indians, whose ancestors include Sitting Bull, Red Cloud and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from all treaties their forefathers signed with the U.S. government and have declared their independence. A delegation delivered the news to the State Department earlier this week.

Portions of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming comprise Lakota country, and the tribe says that if the federal government doesn't begin diplomatic discussions promptly, liens will be filed on property in the five-state region. Here's the news release.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," said Russell Means, a longtime Indian rights activist. "This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically Article 6 of the Constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the U.S. and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," he added during a press conference yesterday in Washington.

The new country would issue its own passports and driver licenses, and living there would be tax-free, provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, he said, according to a report from Agence France-Presse.

The Lakota say the United States has never honored the pacts, signed with the Great Sioux Nation in 1851 and 1868 at Fort Laramie, Wyo.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," said Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977.

Means said the "annexation" of native American land had turned the Lakota into "facsimiles of white people."

In 1974, the Lakota drafted a declaration of continuing independence. Their cause got a boost in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples. The Bush administration opposed the measure.

(1855 portrait of Sitting Bull by David Frances Barry, Library of Congress)

Posted by Michael Winter at 07:42 PM/ET, December 20, 2007 in Nation

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/lakota-withdraw.html


Lakota group pushes for new nation
By Faith Bremner

WASHINGTON - A group of "freedom-loving" Lakota activists announced a plan Wednesday for their people to withdraw from treaties their forefathers signed with the U.S. government.

Headed by leaders of the American Indian Movement, including activist, actor and Porcupine resident Russell Means, the group dropped in on the State Department and the embassies of Bolivia, Venezuela, Chile and South Africa this week seeking recognition for their effort to form a free and independent Lakota nation. The group plans to visit more embassies in the coming months.

The new nation is needed because Indians have been "dismissed" by the United States and are tired of living under a colonial apartheid system, Means said during a news conference held at Plymouth Congregational Church in northeast Washington. He was accompanied by a bodyguard and three other Lakota activists - Gary Rowland, Duane Martin and Phyllis Young, all of South Dakota.

"I want to emphasize, we do not represent the collaborators, the Vichy Indians and those tribal governments set up by the United States of America to ensure our poverty, to ensure the theft of our land and resources," Means said, comparing elected tribal governments to Nazi collaborators in France during World War II.

Rodney Bordeaux, chairman of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, said his community has no desire to join the breakaway nation. Means and his group, which call themselves the Lakota Freedom Delegation, have never officially pitched their views to the Rosebud community, Bordeaux said.

"Our position on that is we need to uphold the treaties, and we're constantly reminding Congress of that message," Bordeaux said. "We're pushing to maintain and to keep the treaties there because they're the basis of our relationship with the federal government."

Nation's proposals

Members of the new nation would not pay any taxes, and leaders would be informally chosen by community elders, Means said. Non-Indians could continue to live in the new nation's territory, which would consist of the western parts of North and South Dakota and Nebraska and eastern parts of Wyoming and Montana. The new government would issue its own passports and drivers licenses, Means said.

"Our withdrawal (from the treaties) is fully thought out," Means said, referring to peace treaties the Lakota people signed with the government in 1851 and 1868. "We were mandated by our elders in 1974 to do two things. First, to establish relationships with the international community... and the second mandate, of course, was to reestablish our independence."

Bolivian Ambassador Gustavo Guzman, who attended the press conference out of solidarity, said he takes the Lakotas' declaration of independence seriously.

"We are here because the demands of indigenous people of America are our demands," Guzman said. "We have sent all the documents they presented to the embassy to our ministry of foreign affairs in Bolivia and they'll analyze everything."

Contact Faith Bremner at [email protected].

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/NEWS/712200347/1001



Lakota Indians work to secede from U.S.

Published: Dec. 21, 2007 at 2:15 PM

PORCUPINE, S.D., Dec. 21 (UPI) -- A Lakota delegation notified the State Department that they've withdrawn from the United States, renounced treaties and are now an independent nation.

American Indian Movement founder Russell Means also began notifying foreign embassies worldwide, and plans to deliver the declaration to the United Nations.

"We are now a free country and independent of the United States of America," Means told the Rapid City (S.D.) Journal. "This is all completely legal."

The State Department has not responded, he told the newspaper.

The server for the Lakota Web site crashed Thursday after news spread of the Native American secession attempt.

Lakota tribes have contested the U.S. government over land they claim was promised by treaty then taken from them, particularly in western South Dakota. The tribes have refused a 1980 federal court settlement that awarded cash compensation but not land. That settlement is now valued at $1 billion, the Journal said.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/21/lakota_indians_work_to_secede_from_us/3796/
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The American West No More, Lakota Nation Releases National Map

South Dakota--your state has been cut in half. Nebraska--your state has been reduced to 1/3 its original size. Wyoming--1/4 of your state is gone. Does no one else find this astonishing/amazing? This is very real. They are a separate country. Maps will change:




"As long as the grass grows, and the rivers flow, this land will always be yours."
- Lakota Freedom Delegation

A continuing effort of the Lakota Freedom Delegation, released a map of national boundaries which will force state and Federal government in five states to begin the process of planning their governmental initiatives without tens of thousands of acres of land. Meanwhile, the Lakota people begin the process of recovering their natural land-base without U.S. government interference. Protection of sacred sites and confrontation with exploitative government and private enterprises that have been removing or polluting Lakota lands comes to the forefront. The map, which can be found at www.lakotaoyate.com provides an initial glimpse into a free and independent Lakota.
"The free Lakota nation is regaining the original natural territory of its unceeded land," said Lakota Freedom Delegate Canupa Gluha Mani (Duane Martin Sr.). "The white man promised that as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow this land will always be yours[the Lakota]. This promise still lives within the heart of the Lakota Nation."

The northern and western boundaries of Lakota run along the Yellowstone and Big Horn rivers in North Dakota and Montana. The southern boundaries run along the North Platte and Platte rivers in Wyoming and Nebraska, while the eastern boundary of Lakota shares the bank of the Missouri River. Canupa Gluha Mani added, "The He Sapa will never be for sale, its just returning to its natural owners, the Lakota Independent Nation." Lakota Oyate emerges from the work of the Lakota Freedom Delegation and continues to ensure the voice of the oyate - the Elders, children and all people - are respected and heard in the rebirth of the Lakota Nation. For more information, please visit our new website at www.lakotaoyate.net/


http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/3184/81/
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They aren't a separate nation unless they are recognized as one by the U.N. and while several anti-American nations have come forward with their support for "independence" I doubt most nations will recognize them as an sovereign state.
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They aren't a separate nation unless they are recognized as one by the U.N. and while several anti-American nations have come forward with their support for "independence" I doubt most nations will recognize them as an sovereign state.
Sure, but I have read Article VI and I think they have a constitutional right to do this. The U.N. has nothing to do with this.
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So does that mean we don't have to pay for their free college educations anymore?
From a comment on an article from the Rapid City Journal

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wrote on Jan 5, 2008 11:08 AM:
" To Fed Up..I resent the free college statement and free housing...... my son goes to college and we pay his tuition, room & board, books, fees, etc. He is an enrolled member of the the Oglala Lakota Nation, so according to you he should get to go to college free. Why doesn't he? Because we're over income, he is not eligible for PELL. By the way, even non-Indians may be eligible for the PELL grant. FYI... we don't live in our house free, either. We're buying it and OMG we even have to pay county taxes for it. (I personally resent the tax issue because where our house is located was once tribal land.) Oh by the way... FYI to all we don't get free food either. With the grammar and spelling that you used in your blog FED UP, it looks like you need to go back to grade school and brush up on your language arts. Oh yeah, my own college experiences were paid for by me, scholarships and loans-which I paid back. "
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I heard about this the other day and I just don't see it happening. I didn't notice it in your information but in some other stuff I read was that if the people that live there already don't claim that they are no longer United States citizens and claim allegiance to the Lakota Nation the Lakota are going to put liens on their homes and businesses. Good luck with that I say.

Since the US didn't follow the treaties as the Lakota say I think the US will just be like screw it, you have no international backing we are just going to take your land and give you nothing. Since when does the US play by the rules...

Either way this is extremely interesting and I can't wait to see how it plays out.
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I heard about this the other day and I just don't see it happening. I didn't notice it in your information but in some other stuff I read was that if the people that live there already don't claim that they are no longer United States citizens and claim allegiance to the Lakota Nation the Lakota are going to put liens on their homes and businesses. Good luck with that I say.

Since the US didn't follow the treaties as the Lakota say I think the US will just be like screw it, you have no international backing we are just going to take your land and give you nothing. Since when does the US play by the rules...

Either way this is extremely interesting and I can't wait to see how it plays out.

I don't know how it's going to play out, but I'm very interested in it and I am amazed that none of the major news agencies (except for USA Today Blog) have covered this story. Even major news networks in France have covered this.

In response to your question, this is from a Rapid City Journal article:

"A "Lakotah Freedom" Web site is announcing that liens will be filed against government property in a five-state treaty area that includes all of western South Dakota. (No liens will be filed against private property, the Web site says -- at least, not yet. Landowners are invited to discuss the issue with the Lakotah Freedom Delegation.)"
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Actually the Civil War put to an end any "constitutional right" to secede from the United States.

Also, it has everything to do with the U.N. and other nations of the world. If they do not recognize the Lakota Nation then it is no different from Taiwain or Palestine or Chechnya or Kurdistan or any other regions within sovereign states that have declared their independence but are not recognized as a sovereign state.
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Actually the Civil War put to an end any "constitutional right" to secede from the United States.

Also, it has everything to do with the U.N. and other nations of the world. If they do not recognize the Lakota Nation then it is no different from Taiwain or Palestine or Chechnya or Kurdistan or any other regions within sovereign states that have declared their independence but are not recognized as a sovereign state.
Every nation in the U.N. supported the resolution except for Canada, Australia, and the U.S. A little peculiar that they are the only nations with substantial indigenous/native populations who do not already have a major influence on government.
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Where do they think they are going to get all this money to print out passports and ID's and keep up with infastructure improvements and all their alternative energy sources with no taxes. I almost hope the US lets them do it just so I can see the what comes of it, good or bad.
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Article VI of the Constitution:

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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Where do they think they are going to get all this money to print out passports and ID's and keep up with infastructure improvements and all their alternative energy sources with no taxes. I almost hope the US lets them do it just so I can see the what comes of it, good or bad.
If you read the articles, most state that they support taxes on a local basis only. As for paying for passports and IDs, it will most likely be fee-driven. I've actually heard an interview with Mean that says they will NOT issue drivers licenses. The podcast is on their website.

He also makes mention of 20 billion dollars in natural resources that are taken out of there. I suppose they could tariff imports and exports to make money.
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LOL. The point of Article VI is to show that the Constitution, Laws, and Treaties created by the Federal Government supercede those created by any State. Meaning if the U.S. has a treaty with a foreign nation and an individual state decided to create its own separate treaty, then legally the treaty created by the Federal Government is the only binding treaty. It doesn't mean that any treaty created by the Federal Government acts as an enabler for a region within the nation to secede. Once a territory becomes a state it is illegal for that state to leave the union.
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LOL. The point of Article VI is to show that the Constitution, Laws, and Treaties created by the Federal Government supercede those created by any State. Meaning if the U.S. has a treaty with a foreign nation and an individual state decided to create its own separate treaty, then legally the treaty created by the Federal Government is the only binding treaty. It doesn't mean that any treaty created by the Federal Government acts as an enabler for a region within the nation to secede. Once a territory becomes a state it is illegal for that state to leave the union.
I think you are missing the point. The Lakota is already a sovereign nation. It has always been, just as with all other tribal agreements. But since the U.S. government has not lived up to its end of the bargain, the Lakota end of the bargain is letting the U.S. consider it part of its nation, to tax, and so forth. Therefor the treaty is null and void and can legally be challenged. This is nothing at all like the South's secession. This is a completely different monster. Like it or not, this is legally justifiable and could very well end in something we've never seen before.
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To be honest, I think this is either just to get attention (awareness of their situation), or a scam to get donation money.

Getting a national government together is a big deal, but their website doesn't say much about anything. There are a lot of problems that need to be addressed. There doesn't seem to be any credibility. The Lakota Oyate doesn't even seem to be recognized by the people inside of it.

I've always thought that the Native Americans should be more prominent in American culture and politics. If this was creditable, and if their independence was found to be the best way to improve their quality of life and cultural well-being, then it would be worth seriously looking into. But geeze, at least get a decent website together!


From the map, it looks like that area is already largely Indian reservations and national parks. I'm not very familiar with that part of the Midwest. For those of you who are, what are the implications if Lakota was recognized?
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They are not a different country. They are not recognized as a different country. They will never be a different country. End of story. This is stupid (no offense sub, good topic, stupid by the indians). Nothing is going to happen. Waste of time.
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^ I actually have to agree. I understand what they're doing, but the government is probably just going to ignore this as attention getting. I haven't seen a single thing on this except for this thread.
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