SAN FRANCISCO | Salesforce Tower | 1,070 FT (326 M) | 61 floors - Page 80

Human Scale · #**1581** Posted **May 24, 2016, 2:34 PM**

Of the new supertalls going in across the U.S. I think this one will be the prettiest, sleekest, poetic. Philly's is very industrial, strong, and beastly looking. L.A.'s is.. **thinks of positive words** ..unique, interestingly shaped..

Sky's the Limit · #**1582** Posted **May 25, 2016, 10:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Human Scale

Of the new supertalls going in across the U.S. I think this one will be the prettiest, sleekest, poetic. Philly's is very industrial, strong, and beastly looking. L.A.'s is.. **thinks of positive words** ..unique, interestingly shaped..

Well said - the elegance of Salesforce Tower's form is striking, and it's sun-shade lattice facade will distinguish it from all of the massive all-glass walls on skylines these days. And you are being so diplomatically kind about L.A.'s Wilshire Grand, in keeping with the intended tone of this forum - it certainly is "interestingly shaped" with its awkward humpback roofline, asymmetrical bulge, and flimsy tacked-on spire (Philly's Comcast Tower II's spire is far more robust and better integrated). L.A.- and Korean Air Lines - didnt go starchitect as SF with Pelli and Philly with Foster did, sticking with locals AC Martin for design. The results are less than compelling.

botoxic · #**1583** Posted **May 26, 2016, 11:46 PM**

Steel, levels 17 and 18:

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LDVArch · #**1584** Posted **Jun 1, 2016, 7:37 PM**

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Well said - the elegance of Salesforce Tower's form is striking, and it's sun-shade lattice facade will distinguish it from all of the massive all-glass walls on skylines these days.

Salesforce is the third version of the same design by Pelli. Of the three, it is the least distinctive and elegant. When Pelli is not inspired by the city or the client, he repeats himself in a bad way.

As to its sun-shade lattice facade, it is a further elaboration of the gothic-inspired curtain walls Pelli has always done. Those who know Pelli's work will see traces of the 777 tower (color and lattice) and the Yale-Malone Building (sunshade). In short, very little that is new here.

mt_climber13 · #**1585** Posted **Jun 1, 2016, 8:13 PM**

And the Empire State Building is a knock off of the Chrysler Building design.

Point is, timeless shapes get reused all the time. The obelisk dates back thousands of years.

Human Scale · #**1586** Posted **Jun 1, 2016, 10:56 PM**

^ouch

Human Scale · #**1587** Posted **Jun 1, 2016, 11:00 PM**

Speaking of which, Google image search 'Pelli Santiago' to see the glass curtain version.

botoxic · #**1588** Posted **Jun 2, 2016, 2:27 AM**

I find truly heart-warming the kindness and consideration shown by those from LA and all over the country, their concern that San Francisco's amazing and unparalleled natural beauty is about to be sullied with an obscene, unoriginal copycat of a tower necessitating repeat visits to issue dire warnings similar to those previously given. But really, no one will be able to judge the final product until it is just that - finished. Speaking of which, floors six and seven appear to be fire-proofed; will those be the first to receive cladding? A few miscellaneous photos from today:

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SFSkyline · #**1589** Posted **Jun 2, 2016, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by LDVArch

Salesforce is the third version of the same design by Pelli. Of the three, it is the least distinctive and elegant. When Pelli is not inspired by the city or the client, he repeats himself in a bad way.

As to its sun-shade lattice facade, it is a further elaboration of the gothic-inspired curtain walls Pelli has always done. Those who know Pelli's work will see traces of the 777 tower (color and lattice) and the Yale-Malone Building (sunshade). In short, very little that is new here.

777 and the Malone Building? You're stretching more than Gumby.

Sky's the Limit · #**1590** Posted **Jun 3, 2016, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by LDVArch

Salesforce is the third version of the same design by Pelli. Of the three, it is the least distinctive and elegant. When Pelli is not inspired by the city or the client, he repeats himself in a bad way.

As to its sun-shade lattice facade, it is a further elaboration of the gothic-inspired curtain walls Pelli has always done. Those who know Pelli's work will see traces of the 777 tower (color and lattice) and the Yale-Malone Building (sunshade). In short, very little that is new here.

On the contrary, I believe Pelli's Salesforce Tower is the finest articulation of his obelisk motif. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. And my opinion is no less right or wrong than yours. Pelli is hardly the first or only architect who "repeats himself". Architects, as designers, have a signature style and maintain design themes in their portfolios. Line up Gehry's Walt Disney Concert Hall, Guggenheim Bilbao, and Bard College's Fisher Center next to each other and they appear to merge into the same builiding. Same is true of Richard Meier's work. SOM essentially produced the same office tower with slight variations in business districts around the country for decades. Their Alcoa Building in SF is just a shorter version of their Hancock Tower in Chicago. Criticizing Pelli for his adherence to thematic expression is akin to dismissing Renoir because all of his paintings look alike.

HiRiser · #**1591** Posted **Jun 5, 2016, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by LDVArch

Salesforce is the third version of the same design by Pelli. Of the three, it is the least distinctive and elegant. When Pelli is not inspired by the city or the client, he repeats himself in a bad way.

As to its sun-shade lattice facade, it is a further elaboration of the gothic-inspired curtain walls Pelli has always done. Those who know Pelli's work will see traces of the 777 tower (color and lattice) and the Yale-Malone Building (sunshade). In short, very little that is new here.

I can see shades of Two international Finance Center Hong Kong as well, which isn't a problem with me. I like Pelli's expression in the façade.

SLO · #**1592** Posted **Jun 5, 2016, 8:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sky's the Limit

On the contrary, I believe Pelli's Salesforce Tower is the finest articulation of his obelisk motif. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. And my opinion is no less right or wrong than yours. Pelli is hardly the first or only architect who "repeats himself". Architects, as designers, have a signature style and maintain design themes in their portfolios. Line up Gehry's Walt Disney Concert Hall, Guggenheim Bilbao, and Bard College's Fisher Center next to each other and they appear to merge into the same builiding. Same is true of Richard Meier's work. SOM essentially produced the same office tower with slight variations in business districts around the country for decades. Their Alcoa Building in SF is just a shorter version of their Hancock Tower in Chicago. Criticizing Pelli for his adherence to thematic expression is akin to dismissing Renoir because all of his paintings look alike.

Great response. This building is elegant and will stand the test of time, Pelli's buildings dont stray into the obscure or trendy which I why I like him.