Downtown Eastside - DTES Issues

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

Don't rewrite the script to fit your agenda. Also don't put words in my mouth.

i asked where will they go? As in another campsite, another area of the city, spread out around the city? Jail? Mental health facility etc.

Read it slow, it might register that way.

You've put plenty of words in your own mouth, so you'll have to forgive my conjecture.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

There is a small segment that essentially can't "play by the rules" of basic civic society.

We have a ton of housing coming online in the next year or so for the homeless. We'll see what happens with this fringe minority when those spaces open up.

The end of COVID will help too, current spacing requirements don't allow as many people to be housed in existing facilities.

Indeed. Perhaps the City should enforce better screening; AFAIK they let said fringe stay anywhere, and that scares the law-abiding ones back on the street to slip further into the deep end.

[logan5]

In the absence of actual homes for the homeless, how hard could it be to build basic shelters for people out on the street? Buy a warehouse or some kind of industrial space and rebuild it to accommodate a number of very basic units with a bed and an outlet. Jesus, even a storage locker would be infinitely belter than out on the street.

[Metro-One]

And that is where you need to draw the line for basic social standards.

Those who are unwilling to enter free safe social housing due to severe mental illness should be hospitalized and taken care of, for those who aren’t mentally ill that refuse such shelter, well, tough shit, you can’t create permanent camps in public places. Camping over night but packed up and gone by 7, fine, shanty town, no.

Being homeless by choice shouldn’t be a free pass to do whatever you want.

Same goes for shitting outside, I agree that more public washroom facilities should be provided, but with that provision if someone says they still want to shit outside, well, no, you can’t.

[logicbomb]

The segment of males that refuse modular housing and shelters generally do so because they do not wish to abide by the rules. Bringing 10 bikes into a unit at a social housing site will attract attention. Also, those units near 29th Ave Stn were destroyed within the first few months for scrap metal.

The problem is BC taxpayers are shouldering the responsibility that should fall on the federal government. A lot of these criminals or lunatics are coming into the province. The recent stabber came from Quebec and had a rap sheet, the other two that killed that elderly woman in Vancouver also had a criminal record in 2 other provinces.

[logan5]

one of the big issues with shelters is that they don't give you your own private space, but it should be relatively easy to build a basic individual shelter with walls. I don't see too many homeless having a huge inventory of stolen goods, so that's not a problem for most.

Even a large industrial building where people can put up their tents would be better than being outside.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

The segment of males that refuse modular housing and shelters generally do so because they do not wish to abide by the rules. Bringing 10 bikes into a unit at a social housing site will attract attention. Also, those units near 29th Ave Stn were destroyed within the first few months for scrap metal.

The problem is BC taxpayers are shouldering the responsibility that should fall on the federal government. A lot of these criminals or lunatics are coming into the province. The recent stabber came from Quebec and had a rap sheet, the other two that killed that elderly woman in Vancouver also had a criminal record in 2 other provinces.

Yep the trash from other provinces seems to roll west until it hits the Pacific. We should be able to deport them.

[Bcasey25raptor]

You're all full of shit, sorry not sorry. I have lived in inner city Vancouver for 8 years, it isn't dangerous. Is crime up a little bit? sure, but you are all acting like it's bloody detroit for god sakes when Vancouver still remains one of the safest major cities in North America.

You're allowing a media narrative being driven by a the NPA and BC Liberal establishments to manufacture a problem that isn't there.

Oh and PS: safe injection sites save lives

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

You're all full of shit, sorry not sorry. I have lived in inner city Vancouver for 8 years, it isn't dangerous. Is crime up a little bit? sure, but you are all acting like it's bloody detroit for god sakes when Vancouver still remains one of the safest major cities in North America.

You're allowing a media narrative being driven by a the NPA and BC Liberal establishments to manufacture a problem that isn't there.

Oh and PS: safe injection sites save lives

Here we go again...

[rofina]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

You're all full of shit, sorry not sorry. I have lived in inner city Vancouver for 8 years, it isn't dangerous. Is crime up a little bit? sure, but you are all acting like it's bloody detroit for god sakes when Vancouver still remains one of the safest major cities in North America.

You're allowing a media narrative being driven by a the NPA and BC Liberal establishments to manufacture a problem that isn't there.

Oh and PS: safe injection sites save lives

No one is buying this narrative anymore.

Its disingenuous and damaging to the community, and most importantly damaging to the people that need help most.

You're entitled to your opinion as anyone, of course. But reality doesn't back up this world view.

[SeymourDrake]

Originally Posted by logan5

In the absence of actual homes for the homeless, how hard could it be to build basic shelters for people out on the street? Buy a warehouse or some kind of industrial space and rebuild it to accommodate a number of very basic units with a bed and an outlet. Jesus, even a storage locker would be infinitely belter than out on the street.

There was a guy on youtube who lived in a storage locker for a year to save up for a down payment for a house i think.

But lets face it, certain members of society would refuse anything they are offered.

[SeymourDrake]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

You've put plenty of words in your own mouth, so you'll have to forgive my conjecture.

Oh you're one of those Karens?

[SeymourDrake]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

You're all full of shit, sorry not sorry. I have lived in inner city Vancouver for 8 years, it isn't dangerous. Is crime up a little bit? sure, but you are all acting like it's bloody detroit for god sakes when Vancouver still remains one of the safest major cities in North America.

You're allowing a media narrative being driven by a the NPA and BC Liberal establishments to manufacture a problem that isn't there.

Oh and PS: safe injection sites save lives

it's like talking to a wall. Save your energy.

[SeymourDrake]

Originally Posted by rofina

No one is buying this narrative anymore.

Its disingenuous and damaging to the community, and most importantly damaging to the people that need help most.

You're entitled to your opinion as anyone, of course. But reality doesn't back up this world view.

World View based on 1 hour of your evening corporate news?

[scryer]

Where is this damn popcorn emoji again ?

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

it's like talking to a wall. Save your energy.

That wall is just the inner edge of the bubble.

[s211]

Originally Posted by scryer

Where is this damn popcorn emoji again ?

No kidding. The sudden DTES-denial is hard to watch on an empty stomach.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

Oh you're one of those Karens?

I could ask you the same thing. Would've apologized the first time if you hadn't been overly sensitive and douchey about it.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

There is a small segment that essentially can't "play by the rules" of basic civic society.

We have a ton of housing coming online in the next year or so for the homeless. We'll see what happens with this fringe minority when those spaces open up.

The end of COVID will help too, current spacing requirements don't allow as many people to be housed in existing facilities.

There is a huge demand for "free housing with no strings attached" in this city. Hence there will also be more wanting to be homeless to qualify: you can be assured of that.

Originally Posted by Metro-One

And that is where you need to draw the line for basic social standards.

Those who are unwilling to enter free safe social housing due to severe mental illness should be hospitalized and taken care of, for those who aren’t mentally ill that refuse such shelter, well, tough shit, you can’t create permanent camps in public places. Camping over night but packed up and gone by 7, fine, shanty town, no.

Being homeless by choice shouldn’t be a free pass to do whatever you want.

Same goes for shitting outside, I agree that more public washroom facilities should be provided, but with that provision if someone says they still want to shit outside, well, no, you can’t.

Totally! If anything, this pandemic has shown us how many people in the "free world" are screwing up things for others who follow rules. Selfishness rules here. To put a stop to that, we need some good ol' discipline and order.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

World View based on 1 hour of your evening corporate news?

Seriously? That's the angle you're going to take?

You'll have to try a little harder than that.

You want to measure things or what?

How about this; I have lived in Vancouver for 22 years and I have never seen this much human shit on the streets.

Prove me wrong.

[SeymourDrake]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I could ask you the same thing. Would've apologized the first time if you hadn't been overly sensitive and douchey about it.

apology accepted.