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Old Posted Aug 27, 2013, 5:19 AM
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The railway era is over in North America. The railway industry has been in decline for the past century, and hundreds if not thousands of kilometres of railways have been removed across the province. This will not be the last mainline to be abandoned, though this one is higher profile than most as there aren't any nearby railways to pick up the slack.

Few industries require rail service to move their product. These industries generally include chemical or petroleum refineries, or bulk materials such as coal or ore. I am not an expert on the area, but I don't think there are any large scale refineries or mines in the upper Ottawa Valley that would require such a rail line. None of the communities in the Upper Ottawa Valley are large enough to make passenger service economical.
Obviously you missed the bit where the predecessor Ottawa Central Railway was profitable until it was bought [back] by CN, and they only did that because what they really wanted was a rail ferry in Quebec (which in their shortsightedness had also sold off in the 90s) and the common parent company wouldn't break up its assets for sale.

The Ottawa Valley still produces a fair bit of wood-related product. Pembroke is basically finished now in terms of future manufacturing in that sector, while the industrial park in Portage-du-Fort is at risk of being shuttered if the line is removed by CN.

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This isn't even the first transcontinental railway to be abandoned. The Northern Route was severed west of Calstock decades ago. More recently, the connection between CN's mainline north of Lake Nipigon and CP's Shoreline route via the Nipigon River was removed.

I lament the loss of CP's historic mainline given its history, but railways are a dying breed, and government intervention to save a rural railway without a customer base to support a short-line is a waste of money.
How about we subsidize railways for half a century while making highways pay property tax and then see how things work out for highways? At least forcing highway to pay property tax would probably be the end of those idiotic A4 parclos the MoTO so loves. It's absurd that railway RoWs are taxed as if they were regular property... nuttier still that once the rails are lifted the tax payable drops. I'm afraid that a lot of railway abandonment in Canada is actually property tax related rather than "railways being a dying breed".

Again, why can't the government just buy the railway infrastructure for the future? Where does this idea come from that it has to "support" a short line? The government seems to have no compunctions about subsidizing highway construction and maintenance, while it doesn't "support" in most other ways trucking companies. In most other countries railways - the physical infrastructure on the ground - is a state asset like highways (and canals too in much of Europe). What and who operates on those varies considerably, but the infrastructure itself remains a state asset.

And in the case of the Ottawa Valley lines, we've got a major military base located along it. The military's options for moving lots of heavy equipment in a hurry has been drastically reduced by the combined abandonments of the CP Chalk River and CN Beachburg subdivisions. Secondarily is also the nuclear facilities at Chalk River; at some point nuclear waste may have to be shipped from or to those facilities and now it will have to be done by truck rather than the far safer rail option. Those two lines were strategic national assets - and both gone within a couple of years.

As for wasting money, the MoTO does that all the time. Virtually every A4 parclo is a waste of money (and land, and therefore property tax potential) compared to the alternatives. The insistence on full freeways with costly overpasses, interchanges and extra miles of service roads rather than simple divided highways wastes plenty of money. The oversized Hwy 417 to Kanata is definitely a waste of money that could easily have bought the CN Beachburg sub to Pembroke.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2013, 12:52 PM
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^ I understand that you like railways, and not highways. Unfortunately, that doesn't change the fact that declining railway traffic has led to declining demand for railways:

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Old Posted Aug 27, 2013, 1:56 PM
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Everywhere but North America, seemingly, railways are coming back. Australia is building them aplenty, with similar population density as Canada.
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Everywhere but North America, seemingly, railways are coming back. Australia is building them aplenty, with similar population density as Canada.
Agreed. But in order for the renaissance to really take hold, there has to be a more coordinated approach to how we develop our territory. For example, industries and other businesses that have lots of transportation-related requirements should be encouraged/compelled/obligated to locate near rail lines where they exist. We have a huge amount of industrial and economic development in this country that has taken place over the past few years that is in no way serviceable by rail, in areas where rail lines exist only a few km away.

And I have not even touched upon the passenger side of things, which also requires a shift in thinking as to how we develop.
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We have a huge amount of industrial and economic development in this country that has taken place over the past few years that is in no way serviceable by rail, in areas where rail lines exist only a few km away.
Exactly. So modern industrial development is occurring without the need of direct rail transportation services. So are we really surprised that railways are declining? Requiring new industries to locate near railways where the railway wouldn't ordinarily serve the industry in either a time sensitive or cost-effective manner is dumb. Not too mention a large part of Canadian Railway's business comes from inter-modal facilities where goods are shipped to the railway by truck.

I am assuming the talk of Australia's railway growth is the new link to Darwin on the continent's north coast. This railway line was primarily built to exploit mining resources in the area, and isn't really akin to most of the railways that service the southern part of specifically Ontario or Quebec. A similar railway in Canada would be a line that has been proposed from the oil sands in northern Alberta to a new pacific port in northern BC.
     
     
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On rail in Australia (Auslink Program) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AusLink
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This is what comes to mind when I think about Canada building new railways:

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Anyways we're getting a little off topic, so here's a new video. Just a 'quick' trip through central Toronto on the 401 and Don Valley Parkway.

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This may seem boring/same old for the average person in Toronto but as an out of towner I'm fascinated by it. Add to it that I'm from London which doesn't even have any commuting highways
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2013, 5:04 PM
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^"video is private"
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I watched it on Youtube about 5 minutes ago and it worked then I tried to watched another one of his videos and it said that the video was unavailable and then the channel was unavailable. Youtube is being stupid again.
     
     
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I watched it on Youtube about 5 minutes ago and it worked then I tried to watched another one of his videos and it said that the video was unavailable and then the channel was unavailable. Youtube is being stupid again.
It was down for maintenance yesterday and everything has been messed up since then. It was working an hour or so ago so I doubt the problem is on my end.

EDIT: It's back now.
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I just got back from cycling across the country from the west coast back to Ottawa, riding the Yellowhead Highway for most of the way from Haida Gwaii into the Prairies. Spectacular highway, and for most of its route from the coast to the Rockies, it's a nice road with ample shoulders for bicycles — my kind of highway . Here are some shots I took of that section.



Hardly any traffic in the Queen Charlotte Islands:


Back in the BC mainland, the route through the Skeena Valley is superb, especially if you are there on a clear day:






Climbing into the interior:




I did get a bit of rain but not a lot



I was extremely lucky to have travelled through the Rockies on a stretch of clear cloudless days, with awesome views of Mt Robson:






Towards Alberta and up to the highway's highest point at Obed, east of the Rockies:




     
     
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I just got back from cycling across the country from the west coast back to Ottawa, riding the Yellowhead Highway for most of the way from Haida Gwaii into the Prairies. Spectacular highway, and for most of its route from the coast to the Rockies, it's a nice road with ample shoulders for bicycles — my kind of highway . Here are some shots I took of that section.
Wow! What an achievement! Bravo!
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Great achievement. Congratulations. Love the route. And its rare you get Robson completely clear. Ive only ever seen it about 4 times in over 70 trips.
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Outstanding, Kitchissippi!
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Very nice! Drove through the Yellowhead once through the Rockies, can't even imagine what it must be like to cycle it!

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I just got back from cycling across the country from the west coast back to Ottawa, riding the Yellowhead Highway for most of the way from Haida Gwaii into the Prairies. Spectacular highway, and for most of its route from the coast to the Rockies, it's a nice road with ample shoulders for bicycles — my kind of highway . Here are some shots I took of that section.

Very interesting. Looks like the Yellowhead Highway also has two "Mile Zeros".

     
     
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A couple of photos I took last week on Gatineau's A-50 during the pm rush hour.



     
     
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Calgary's SE portion of the ring road (Stoney Trail) opens on Oct 1 (at a price of $770 million)

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A couple of photos I took last week on Gatineau's A-50 during the pm rush hour.



Nice shoots ! I miss the Ottawa-Gatineau region. I used to get there sometimes when I lived in Montréal before 2012.

Now, it's almost 5hrs of drive from here ...
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