PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[PHLtoNYC]

A big step.

The Painted Bride Art Center has been sold with its signature mosaic intact

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20220406.html

"The Painted Bride Art Center building in Old City has been sold after years of legal battles centered around the preservation of its signature mosaic.
Architect and developer Shimi Zakin of Atrium Design Group bought the more than 14,000-square-foot building at 230 Vine St. on March 31 for $3.85 million. He plans to incorporate the 7,000-square-foot mural by artist Isaiah Zagar into the development of an apartment building with commercial space on the ground floor."

[PHLtoNYC]

So if this happens, would Philadelphia be the only major city with an indoor mask mandate?... Anyone else see the problem there?...

Philly’s indoor mask mandate likely to return next week, as city COVID cases creep upward

https://www.inquirer.com/health/phil...-20220406.html

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

So if this happens, would Philadelphia be the only major city with an indoor mask mandate?... Anyone else see the problem there?...

Philly’s indoor mask mandate likely to return next week, as city COVID cases creep upward

https://www.inquirer.com/health/phil...-20220406.html

LOL they can't put the genie back in the bottle at this point.

They look ludicrous. Is Council still having remote meetings while asking the rest of us to get back to work?

[Urbanthusiat]

Drive by today, Lots of equipment and dirt moving at festival pier. Can’t believe it’s finally happening. The first Durst site on N Delaware is also a few feet into the ground. Really exciting stuff.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

So if this happens, would Philadelphia be the only major city with an indoor mask mandate?... Anyone else see the problem there?...

Philly’s indoor mask mandate likely to return next week, as city COVID cases creep upward

https://www.inquirer.com/health/phil...-20220406.html

Embarrassing Did a quick news search of mask mandates. Looks like Montreal is extending theirs but I can’t find anywhere else that’s even discussing it right now.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

LOL they can't put the genie back in the bottle at this point.

They look ludicrous. Is Council still having remote meetings while asking the rest of us to get back to work?

Basically the policy translation here is: “Get back to work! We need the tax revenue! We’re broke! But wear a mask and don’t question it!” Lol

[skyhigh07]

Not great but what are ya gonna do…

https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-p...ing-pessimism/

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

Not great but what are ya gonna do…

https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-p...ing-pessimism/

was about to post about this. I think this removes any debate about whether or not gun violence is a primary concern of most citizens. Until something is done about this almost every other issue fades into the background and whomever has the strongest message on this is most likely to be the next mayor. I think we will see a move towards the center in terms of the next mayor, similar to what happened in NYC. You cant just keep telling people crime isnt an issue or offering economic explanations but no solutions. K and K have no solutions, they simply want to explain to you why people are getting shot left and right and you are supposed to be satisfied with that.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by cardeza

was about to post about this. I think this removes any debate about whether or not gun violence is a primary concern of most citizens. Until something is done about this almost every other issue fades into the background and whomever has the strongest message on this is most likely to be the next mayor. I think we will see a move towards the center in terms of the next mayor, similar to what happened in NYC. You cant just keep telling people crime isnt an issue or offering economic explanations but no solutions. K and K have no solutions, they simply want to explain to you why people are getting shot left and right and you are supposed to be satisfied with that.

I think you’re probably right. The naysayers are just burying their heads in the sand at this point. The data is there. Interesting to see that it’s African Americans are leading in terms of wanting more police meanwhile it’s the privileged, “let them eat cake” local whites that don’t want it. It’s really disappointing to see the 14 point drop in people who are planning on leaving in 5-10 years. While it’s probably a national urban trend and Philly is not doing as bad as other places, it confirms the population drop is real and will likely continue until things change.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

I think you’re probably right. The naysayers are just burying their heads in the sand at this point. The data is there. Interesting to see that it’s African Americans are leading in terms of wanting more police meanwhile it’s the privileged, “let them eat cake” local whites that don’t want it. It’s really disappointing to see the 14 point drop in people who are planning on leaving in 5-10 years. While it’s probably a national urban trend and Philly is not doing as bad as other places, it confirms the population drop is real and will likely continue until things change.

Violence is a problem in Philadelphia. Unfortunately increasing funding to police is not effective way to reduce crime. Study, after study, after study, after study has shown this. Putting that money toward literally just about anything else in the community is more effective.

Cops don't stop crime. Cops don't solve crimes. Cops don't make people more safe. Sorry if factual reality disappoints you and doesn't support your biases.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by allovertown

Violence is a problem in Philadelphia. Unfortunately increasing funding to police is not effective way to reduce crime. Study, after study, after study, after study has shown this. Putting that money toward literally just about anything else in the community is more effective.

Cops don't stop crime. Cops don't solve crimes. Cops don't make people more safe. Sorry if factual reality disappoints you and doesn't support your biases.

Now go into inner city communities, get up on a chair and loudly proclaim you know better than them.

[reparcsyks]

Cops don't stop crime. Cops don't solve crimes. Cops don't make people more safe. Sorry if factual reality disappoints you and doesn't support your biases.

Truth!!!

[AnEmperorPenguin]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Literally who is saying property taxes have to be frozen. NOBODY.

IF you're having a "public debate" where homeowners get a vote on if they pay taxes or not then it's going to end up as a freeze eventually

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by reparcsyks

Truth!!!

Yeah, because speaking in absolutist terms that sound contrived is “truth”. Lol.

Do a Google search - Most mainstream publications and studies show the effect of police in preventing crime is complicated and “mixed”. The latest NYT article on the subject denotes this.

You don’t have to be all in for the police but honestly the scripted extremism sounds ridiculous. Nuance, moderation and balance guys. You should try it…

[chimpskibot]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

Now go into inner city communities, get up on a chair and loudly proclaim you know better than them.

Well considering the Pew survey says 'Inner-city' residents AKA those who live in Center City (highly-educated and earning high-incomes) are the most against increases in police I would say he is correct. Or are you using that dog-whistle for the communities of color?

[mcgrath618]

The start of construction for the Penn's Landing Park was pushed forward to Q4 this yer:

https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-phil...-street-bridge

Edit: OCF says that construction will take roughly four years, and that they don't think that it will be ready in time for the sesquicentennial. However, I see literally no other reason for why they would have pushed the construction date up a year. I imagine they'll have a target date of the end of Q2 2024 and that it will come down to the wire.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by chimpskibot

Well considering the Pew survey says 'Inner-city' residents AKA those who live in Center City (highly-educated and earning high-incomes) are the most against increases in police I would say he is correct. Or are you using that dog-whistle for the communities of color?

Here come the language police. Divert from the topic, focus on a minuscule issue and infer I’m a racist. Classic. Do better, I’m embarrassed for you. Now if you’d actually like to offer a valid counter argument and be an adult, I’m here for it

[William Van Alen]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

The start of construction for the Penn's Landing Park was pushed forward to Q4 this yer:

https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-phil...-street-bridge

Edit: OCF says that construction will take roughly four years, and that they don't think that it will be ready in time for the sesquicentennial. However, I see literally no other reason for why they would have pushed the construction date up a year. I imagine they'll have a target date of the end of Q2 2024 and that it will come down to the wire.

Really excited to see the inclusion of a pedestrian bridge from South. Always thought that part of what made Penn's Landing subpar was the difficulty of getting to/from it. Making it more obvious how to get back to the city should be a big help.

There were renderings a while back of a pedestrian bridge over the lower Schuylkill trail a while ago too - does anybody know what ever happened to that?

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

Yeah, because speaking in absolutist terms that sound contrived is “truth”. Lol.

Do a Google search - Most mainstream publications and studies show the effect of police in preventing crime is complicated and “mixed”. The latest NYT article on the subject denotes this.

You don’t have to be all in for the police but honestly the scripted extremism sounds ridiculous. Nuance, moderation and balance guys. You should try it…

Yes there's two sides to this debate. Totally agree. You can check out that NYT article and numerous others that they've published and they're usually sure to get quotes from both sides.

On one side you have rigorous academics, with decades of data and research. On the other side you have let's see, uh... Police spokespeople, police chiefs, and uh "consultants" who are... Hmm... It seems like they're former police. Definitely two very equally valid sides with equally valid arguments.

In all seriousness, there are some things that cops can do that do increase public safety. Most useful is simply being present, on the street. No need to really do anything, just walking around has shown to decrease crime. If while they're walking around, they're also interacting with people, helping people, building trust, making friends, all the better.

The problem is, cops don't really like to do these things. So when you factor how expensive it is to hire a cop, and how little of their time each cop generally devotes to the few things that actually make communities safer, it's not exactly a great investment. Factor in how cops do enjoy doing things like harassing people, decreasing trust in the police, irresponsibly discharging their weapons, etc. that actually make communities less safe and it's basically a wash.

You'd be better off spending that money to replace lead pipes. Truly, just about anything.

[PHLtoNYC]

PHL to kick off $90M cargo expansion project with new $15M facility

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...expansion.html

"Philadelphia International Airport is readying to break ground on the first phase of its $90 million undertaking to triple its cargo footprint with a new facility on the former grounds of its economy parking lot."

""Quite frankly we don't have that [specialty equipment] yet," Tyrrell said. "New York is bursting at the seams. Most of the air cargo that's handled in our catchment area goes right by our front door up to New York." That is about $53 billion a year, he said, with 70% going to New York airports rather than Philadelphia."

"The overall cargo expansion project puts PHL on a path to competitiveness with such airports. PHL currently has less than 400,000 square feet of cargo warehouse space, whereas New York has 4 million, Tyrrell said. The $90 million project will add 1 million square feet of cargo warehouse space, bringing the airport total up to 1.4 million square feet."