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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 5:35 PM
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has anyone seen any of the developments going on in LA? some of them remind me of brentwood.

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westfield promenade video
Yes, Wesfield is building something similar to Brentwood in my San Fernando Valley neighborhood but the big advantage that L.A. has with these new open-air malls is the constantly sunny weather (except for a few weeks in December or January when it gets somewhat cold and rainy).
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 5:47 PM
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Yes. Canadian retail isn't doing as well as was expected... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...utos-building-materials/article33681977/.
Conflicting reporting: It says that "Canadians" are still opening their wallet for big ticket items. I guess only the well-heeled are spending to drive retail.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 7:45 PM
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whatever happens i imagine brentwood will be better off than lougheed town centre or the city of lougheed, i don't see how this area, i live a few minutes away on the burquitlam side, can see 300 stores added. Its a pretty working class area. Maybe open some outlet stores in it to serve the NE area and maple ridge/pitt meadows.

I think though metrotown can be the mall for the masses as it is and brentwood can position itself to be more upscale.
Cant imagine many working class people will be buying in the new condos they'll be building at Lougheed.....
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
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Conflicting reporting: It says that "Canadians" are still opening their wallet for big ticket items. I guess only the well-heeled are spending to drive retail.
Yes.. "The retail-sales figures showed consumers still opening their wallets for the big-ticket items linked to the country’s housing boom and the era of low interest rates." So items related to filling and maintaining one's property.. appliances, furniture, home goods, hardware, gardening, etc. "The gains aren’t as good outside housing."

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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:25 PM
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its way too big i think, but we will see. this area is going nuts with development. and i think we are reaching retail overload. there are 3 safeways within a 5 minute drive from where i live, a save-on-foods, a walmart, an independant grocer all under 5 minutes, a superstore about 5 minutes away, a no frills about 8 minutes away, and 2 korean grocery stores and they want to add another grocery store at the mall. yeesh.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:34 PM
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its way too big i think, but we will see. this area is going nuts with development. and i think we are reaching retail overload. there are 3 safeways within a 5 minute drive from where i live, a save-on-foods, a walmart, an independant grocer all under 5 minutes, a superstore about 5 minutes away, a no frills about 8 minutes away, and 2 korean grocery stores and they want to add another grocery store at the mall. yeesh.
They don't want us to drive, jk!.. Lol! I get some online grocery shopping too. Or if we drive into the area, they want us to stay and check out the other shops/services where we can get other things done as well in one trip. But yeah you're right.. There're also already a Whole Foods, Save On, and Safeway nearby.
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I was thinking (incorrectly) that a frosted glass floor walkway would not yield the degree of natural lighting or sunlight etc. anticipated/desired (in Jebby's proposal). I also wonder how slippery such a (glass) floor would be (especially when it rains)....?
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It could be semi-enclosed and have LED lights integrated into the floor to allow more light to pass through to the lower level.
The glass sidewalk on Robson outside the Telus Garden office lobby is surprisingly grippy.

The under sidewalk lights, however, are blindingly annoying at nighttime.
They need to be dimmed.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 10:59 PM
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Photos and Video Capture Amazing Brentwood Construction
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Above-grade construction continues at the Brentwood Town Centre in Burnaby, where a 28-acre transformative overhaul of the property is taking place. One of the largest mixed-use developments currently underway in Metro Vancouver, Shape Properties' The Amazing Brentwood will produce a bustling retail experience and contemporary office space arranged around 11 residential towers with 6,000 homes.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 12:10 AM
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The glass sidewalk on Robson outside the Telus Garden office lobby is surprisingly grippy.

The under sidewalk lights, however, are blindingly annoying at nighttime.
They need to be dimmed.
i saw some guy the other night changing his clothes over the lighted part, people coming out of the building seemed a little weirded out. a use for the lighting i suppose.
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Noticed this new addition in the webcam this morning:

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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 8:39 PM
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Sweet!!
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 9:11 PM
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I'm not familiar with building codes but if/when the "big one" comes in this lifetime.. I hope all these towers would be ok. Curious as to which technology or standard they use to mitigate such events affecting the structure/s.
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Those who write the building code are well aware we live in a seismic zone. Taller buildings are usually better to be in because they are more pliable and sway more.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 10:32 PM
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I'm sure they are.. Just a worrywart.. So let's hope it won't be so devastating.. and all those glass.. gah!

Interesting read here... http://www.ctvnews.ca/new-b-c-highrises-at-risk-in-event-of-major-quake-study-1.600561 and here http://vanmag.com/city/are-we-ready-for-the-big-one/
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Ya the glass will be a mess, but the structure should be just fine.

Might give us an excuse to replace some of the endless seafoam spandrel in the city too
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 10:50 PM
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Most modern and large buildings in Seismic zones (which we are in) are built to seismic standards (lateral or cross bracing, dampening, soil densification etc) and to facilitate resistance to minimize damage as much as is practically possible.

I say "most", because older buildings are usually grandfathered into the code and not up to the required standard, and often times for smaller new buildings (like homes) they tend to neglect doing it due to the expense.

For tall towers, they definitely are built to seismic resistance standards - especially in an earthquake prone zone like BC, and like I mentioned you have everything from cross-bracing, using counterweights to dampen the vibrations and swaying in the event of a quake and making the foundation soil more denser (and which also explains why in certain areas - like Richmond or close to low water tables -you won't be allowed to have basements or basement excavations due to soft soil and high risk of soil liquification).

These codes, like any safety codes, primarily exist to mitigate loss of life, primarily, as opposed to loss of property, including the building itself (most of which are rendered unusable afterwards even if they survive the quake), but it's unlikely you can ever have codes tight enough to protect against the sort of damage you could expect from an earthquake of the size that the "big one" is expected to be (anything above 8.0 or 9.0 on the Richter scale).
There are limits to what technology (even modern technology) can do, and earthquakes typically strike with the equivalent force of several nuclear bombs beneath the surface of the earth's crust or underneath the ocean..
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 11:16 PM
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Most modern and large buildings in Seismic zones (which we are in) are built to seismic standards (lateral or cross bracing, dampening, soil densification etc) and to facilitate resistance to minimize damage as much as is practically possible.

I say "most", because older buildings are usually grandfathered into the code and not up to the required standard, and often times for smaller new buildings (like homes) they tend to neglect doing it due to the expense.

For tall towers, they definitely are built to seismic resistance standards - especially in an earthquake prone zone like BC, and like I mentioned you have everything from cross-bracing, using counterweights to dampen the vibrations and swaying in the event of a quake and making the foundation soil more denser (and which also explains why in certain areas - like Richmond or close to low water tables -you won't be allowed to have basements or basement excavations due to soft soil and high risk of soil liquification).

These codes, like any safety codes, primarily exist to mitigate loss of life, primarily, as opposed to loss of property, including the building itself (most of which are rendered unusable afterwards even if they survive the quake), but it's unlikely you can ever have codes tight enough to protect against the sort of damage you could expect from an earthquake of the size that the "big one" is expected to be (anything above 8.0 or 9.0 on the Richter scale).
There are limits to what technology (even modern technology) can do, and earthquakes typically strike with the equivalent force of several nuclear bombs beneath the surface of the earth's crust or underneath the ocean..
Thanks Spr0ckets! Well said. Yeah I've experienced a 6.5 to below 8 magnitude earthquake (and lesser ones but very much still felt) long ago and it wasn't fun for sure.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 11:17 PM
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I'm sure they are.. Just a worrywart.. So let's hope it won't be so devastating.. and all those glass.. gah!

Interesting read here... http://www.ctvnews.ca/new-b-c-highrises-at-risk-in-event-of-major-quake-study-1.600561 and here http://vanmag.com/city/are-we-ready-for-the-big-one/
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"Using simulated earthquakes in his lab, Adebar found buildings between 10 and 20 storeys were at the highest risk, as were those built on flood plains and on sandy soils – much like the terrain in Richmond, south of Vancouver."


Don't you guys love this? Vancouver's affinity for viewcones has actually endangered many condos in the event of an earthquake. More proof that we should go really tall, as what Brentwood area is doing now. And in the event of an earthquake, besides Richmond, also say bye bye to East Fraser Lands and the Olympic Village.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 11:41 PM
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Highlights from the second link http://vanmag.com/city/are-we-ready-for-the-big-one/


"New structures built in Vancouver are designed to withstand perhaps the worst earthquake that science can imagine: a catastrophic, one-in-2,500-year event. These are among the highest standards anywhere in the world. Yet, as violent shaking goes into the fourth and fifth minutes, even these standards might not suffice.

“All those apartment buildings along the water — I wouldn’t buy a condo in one of those. I wouldn’t even rent one,” says Peter Yanev, an engineer from California who has personally surveyed the aftermath of 45 earthquakes around the globe and co-founded one of the world’s largest earthquake risk engineering firm

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Among Yanev’s greatest concerns in Vancouver are new residential high-rises: “pop-up” towers with catchy names and chic sales offices. “You had this huge infusion of Asian money a few years ago. They couldn’t care less about earthquakes,” he says. “The pressure is to keep the cost down.” He points out that much of the damage in the 2010 Chile quake, which claimed more than 500 lives and destroyed nearly 400,000 buildings, was suffered by newer high-rises. To reduce costs, engineers had designed buildings with fewer, thinner shear walls — the internal concrete bracing that resists shaking. Many new high-rises in Vancouver and across North America are built to similar standards. “Vancouver has never suffered a major earthquake, and that’s unfortunate because the level of concern is not there,” Yanev says. “I have a feeling that after the next big earthquake, when we have a couple of high-rises come down, we’re going to finally adopt higher standards.” Even if the city’s high-rises do manage to ride out the shaking, broken glass and falling debris constitute a major hazard, raining down with lethal force on the streets below.
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In relation to what Spr0ckets has mentioned, the article also says:
"As shaking continues, sandy, wet soils — prevalent all around the Fraser Delta — lose their integrity, a process known as liquefaction. Foundations are undermined; roads and buildings crumble. Drivers inside the 629-metre-long Massey Tunnel, which is sunk up to 22 metres deep in the loose sand and silt of the Fraser River bed, endure a harrowing ride but should emerge safely thanks to seismic fitting completed in 2006. In mountainous areas, especially in North and West Vancouver, landslides barrel through residential neighbourhoods. Elsewhere, however, single-family homes ride out the shaking with minimal damage."

And interestingly, and also true... I know someone whose concrete home didn't fare as well as the old wooden homes in their neighborhood when a big earthquake happened in that country not too long ago.. (not saying that highrises should be built with wood here, k?.. Lol)
"Wood-frame buildings are actually remarkably resilient,” says Ventura, explaining he’s confident weathering the quake in his 1929 heritage home. Chimneys have been known to crash through roofs, however, and homes not bolted to their foundations slip right off, severing utilities, rupturing gas lines, and triggering fires throughout the city."

So all these.. Food for thought.. Mother nature will take its course. Lol!
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2017, 11:48 PM
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It's worth noting that the height limits in Richmond have more to do with the proximity to the Airport and the flight paths, than they have to do with any viewcone restrictions like Downtown Vancouver.

Also worth noting that waterfront areas (like False Creek and the various harbours) flood plains and swamplands have poor soil conditions as a matter of consequence and inevitability (clay soils and loose uncompacted soils and limited to no bedrock) and there's nothing (or more accurately, little) you can do in this regard with respect to improving Seismic resistance - or anything that's not cost-prohibitive - hence the reason they typically don't allow basements, underground parking or excavated constructions in those areas.

It also goes without saying that if you typically can't have deep foundations you generally can't have very tall towers or buildings (usually) in those areas.
Not impossible, but very expensive, if you do.
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