Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Vin

Insensitivity knows no bounds. I guess we'll get to that when we start normalizing the worst of situations. It's like saying "Oh it's just a nuclear war far away. Who cares."

As for the Saskatchewan massacre, it all started out with precisely the kinds of issues we have here: the "rotating door" system after one is being convicted of major crimes, as well as liberal drug use. A massacre can happen here anytime, and all it takes is the opportunity, which the City is providing and in a sadistic way, welcoming.




Answer is "Yes", and that's the only reply you need here.

The scoffing and dismissal was indeed tasteless.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

Insensitivity knows no bounds. I guess we'll get to that when we start normalizing the worst of situations. It's like saying "Oh it's just a nuclear war far away. Who cares."

As for the Saskatchewan massacre, it all started out with precisely the kinds of issues we have here: the "rotating door" system after one is being convicted of major crimes, as well as liberal drug use. A massacre can happen here anytime, and all it takes is the opportunity, which the City is providing and in a sadistic way, welcoming.

Answer is "Yes", and that's the only reply you need here.

You're comparing eleven stab victims to a possible nuclear war? How insensitive to the Ukrainians, who are facing exactly that.

The various Metro Van police departments already taze and arrest knife wielders on sight; if you want to change the penal system, that's a federal issue, not municipal. Checks and balances - we learned this in Social Studies.

Originally Posted by Acajack

They don't appear to be proportional but even if they were, I don't think that "we're no worse than them" is really something to be proud of or complacent with.

I'd expect our cities (including mine) to take inspiration from the safest places out there, and aim for that.

As mentioned, the "safest" city on the planet just had their former PM gunned down in broad daylight in front of a crowd, and has had several recent mass stabbings on their train network. There aren't really any model cities to be inspired by right now.

[whatnext]

Unfuckingbelievable:

The suspect in a disturbing and possibly racially-motivated attack on a woman in downtown Vancouver has been granted bail and released on conditions.

Mohammed Majidpour spent the long weekend in jail and appeared in Downtown Community Court on Friday and Tuesday.

He appeared both for a failure to report and a charge of assault with a weapon.…

….30 convictions dating back to August 2015, including on charges of assault, assault with a weapon and uttering threats….

https://globalnews.ca/news/9191219/suspect-random-attack-vancouver-granted-bail/

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Unfuckingbelievable:

The suspect in a disturbing and possibly racially-motivated attack on a woman in downtown Vancouver has been granted bail and released on conditions.

Mohammed Majidpour spent the long weekend in jail and appeared in Downtown Community Court on Friday and Tuesday.

He appeared both for a failure to report and a charge of assault with a weapon.…

….30 convictions dating back to August 2015, including on charges of assault, assault with a weapon and uttering threats….

https://globalnews.ca/news/9191219/suspect-random-attack-vancouver-granted-bail/

This is getting rather ridiculous. Municipalities all over Canada should band together to push for judicial reforms.

Originally Posted by Acajack

The scoffing and dismissal was indeed tasteless.

Well said!

Originally Posted by logan5

The left want them put away in a mental institution. The right wants them in prison.

The centre wants forced treatment.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Acajack

They don't appear to be proportional but even if they were, I don't think that "we're no worse than them" is really something to be proud of or complacent with.

I'd expect our cities (including mine) to take inspiration from the safest places out there, and aim for that.

We are actually worse than them if we just consider Vancouver's downtown, especially the DTES/Granville Street. We have a concentration of dysfunctionality over there that has to be overcome, and it is worse than anywhere else.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Anybody who thinks the DTES is the worst in the world clearly needs to get out of town more; anybody who thinks Granville Mall is anything like the DTES needs to stop getting all their information from DailyHive.

Originally Posted by Vin

The centre wants forced treatment.

The right wants forced treatment. The centre only cares about having the problem solved.

[wabooba]

Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Interesting documentary

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PT8OU8Yhs_s&feature=share

Thanks for posting this. Everyone should watch it if they care about the city!

Oh, and if you're going to vote in the civic election, please, please, please look at this carefully.

It should help you make a more informed decision as to who to vote for, or NOT to vote for.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by wabooba

Thanks for posting this. Everyone should watch it if they care about the city!

A video by Aaron Gunn?

Aaron Gunn, the same guy kicked out of the BC Liberal leadership race because he wouldn't have a commitment to reconciliation, diversity and acceptance of all British Columbians. Aaron Gunn, the same guy who the BC NDP said used "transphobic, racist and sexist rhetoric" on his social media. Aaron Gunn, who protested along with members of the white supremacist group Sons of Odin when Victoria removed their John A Macdonald statue.

Yeah, no thanks.

[wabooba]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

A video by Aaron Gunn?

Aaron Gunn, the same guy kicked out of the BC Liberal leadership race because he wouldn't have a commitment to reconciliation, diversity and acceptance of all British Columbians. Aaron Gunn, the same guy who the BC NDP said used "transphobic, racist and sexist rhetoric" on his social media. Aaron Gunn, who protested along with members of the white supremacist group Sons of Odin when Victoria removed their John A Macdonald statue.

Yeah, no thanks.

I was not familiar with the background of Aaron Gunn, nor his ideologies, but nevertheless, the empirical evidence and statistics cited in the video from sources other than himself I found disturbing.
Of course, that's just my own perception, but the stats, incidents cited, and conditions photographed therein, happening in Vancouver (unless it was entirely staged and faked, which I doubt) really alarmed me.
I should also note that no specific demographic or group was targeted, but that it was just about a cross-section of people, although towards the end it did focus on the DTES, but elsewhere as well.

[EastVanMark]

Originally Posted by wabooba

I was not familiar with the background of Aaron Gunn, nor his ideologies, but nevertheless, the empirical evidence and statistics cited in the video from sources other than himself I found disturbing.
Of course, that's just my own perception, but the stats, incidents cited, and conditions photographed therein, happening in Vancouver (unless it was entirely staged and faked, which I doubt) really alarmed me.
I should also note that no specific demographic or group was targeted, but that it was just about a cross-section of people, although towards the end it did focus on the DTES, but elsewhere as well.

The only thing he appears to be guilty of is not bowing to political correctness so hence, political parties want nothing to do with him. His views on John A MacDonald statue is one that is held by the majority of Canadians but a Victoria newspaper shamelessly tried tying that viewpoint to a white supremacist group which was of course absurd.

As you mention the documentary seems legit and provides real sources so I don’t see what the issue is other than it strikes a nerve with those that don’t want to hear any other view points other than the official narrative of the downtown east side, or the City of Vancouver.

[jollyburger]

Vancouver police search for suspect in unprovoked sucker-punch attack
The woman was walking near Cambie and Pender Streets Wednesday evening when a man approached her and punched her in the face.

Police are searching for a man who sucker-punched a woman in an unprovoked assault in downtown Vancouver.

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Vancouver police spokesman Const. Jason Doucette said the stranger attack occurred at 6:30 p.m. Wednesday near Cambie and Pender Streets.

“This is another concerning unprovoked assault,” he said in a statement Thursday. “The victim was simply walking down the sidewalk when a man came up and sucker-punched her in the face for no reason.”

The man’s punch knocked the woman to the ground, said police. She sustained non-life-threatening injuries, but required medical attention. Several people came to help the victim and stayed with her until police arrived.

The suspect fled west on Dunsmuir Street. At the time of the incident, he was wearing a black hoodie with a white stripe on the back, black pants and black shoes, said police. His face was partly obscured by a bandana.

https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/vanc...uspect-in-unprovoked-sucker-punch-attack

Vancouver senior, 93, breaks hip in stranger assault in Chinatown
The elderly man was walking to a bakery near Main and Pender Streets when he was pushed to the ground.

Police are trying to identify a man who allegedly knocked down a senior in Vancouver’s Chinatown, causing him to break his hip.

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Vancouver police say the 93-year-old man, a Chinatown resident for 30 years, was walking to a bakery near Main and East Pender streets when he was pushed by a stranger at around 3:15 p.m. on Tuesday, causing him to fall.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/vancouver-senior-breaks-hip-stranger-assault-chinatown

[Vin]

Chinatown residents are totally fed-up ......

Opinion: Vancouver’s Chinese communities are speaking up this election
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-chinese-anti-asian-racism-hate-election

A prolonged surge in anti-Asian hate, combined with skyrocketing street violence in Chinatown, has galvanized Vancouver’s Chinese communities this municipal election. Shirking their usual political disengagement, Chinese Canadians want politicians to know that their voices matter.

The mood shift is conspicuous in Chinatown, where residents are fed up with endemic street crime. Random stabbings and violent assaults have become regular occurrences, scaring off visitors and leaving local residents — especially low-income seniors — terrified of leaving their homes. But fear and anger appear to be fuelling a political awakening.

From the article, we are NUMBER 1!!

In 2020, there were more anti-Asian hate crimes in Vancouver, a city of nearly 700,000 people, than in the 10 most populous US cities combined — a statistic which led the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University San Bernardino to publish data christening Vancouver “The Anti-Asian Hate Crime Capital of North America.”

Living in a parallel universe I see?

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Anybody who thinks the DTES is the worst in the world clearly needs to get out of town more; anybody who thinks Granville Mall is anything like the DTES needs to stop getting all their information from DailyHive.

[Vin]

No wonder he's a dud:

Vancouver mayor Kennedy Stewart missed 75% of Metro Vancouver Regional District's meetings over four years
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/metro-vancouver-regional-district-kennedy-stewart

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

Living in a parallel universe I see?

Literally after that sentence:

... However, these hate crimes seem to be abating lately...

...Activist blindness towards Asian (and especially Chinese) struggles has been noted before. A Bloomberg article on anti-Asian hate crimes in Vancouver explored how rich immigrants from mainland China, along with television shows and other cultural products that spotlight ultra-rich Asians, created an association between the Chinese community and wealth, inadvertently erasing the struggles of low-income Chinese Canadians...

That same study has LA having more AAPI hate crimes than us. It wasn't Vancouver that torched its Koreatown.

[Vin]

For those who are still living in an "alternate universe" (you know who you are), please come back and see reality here.......

"Vancouver Is Dying": New documentary sheds light on crime and overdose crisis (VIDEO)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-is-dying-documentary-video

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[Migrant_Coconut]

Took a stroll down Granville this afternoon. Unlike the parallel universe that some posters live in, the Mall we have in this reality is fine.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

For those who are still living in an "alternate universe" (you know who you are), please come back and see reality here.......

Aaron Gunn? Canada Proud? Chip Wilson's right wing political action group? Tell us more...

[wabooba]

I was on the phone with one of the civic political parties, and asked if they had seen "Vancouver is Dying." No, they said, but that everyone was talking about it!!
But NOT because they had seen it; they hadn't. * But because Aron Gunn (who I hadn't heard of before) was a right-wing neo-this and that and could not be trusted.
I watched it, and I found it unbiased in that no racial demographic was ever targeted or even mentioned, but statistics were given showing the extreme rise in random attacks, also in the West Side and Kits.
A lot of concern was given to the DTES, the crime and drug issues there, and the apparently flawed city and provincial government approach to this. For me, it seemed very objective.
But people see the name Aaron Gunn and are immediately biased. I would suggest simply watching it before jumping to any conclusions about it, or boycotting it because Aaron Gunn produced it.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by Vin

For those who are still living in an "alternate universe" (you know who you are), please come back and see reality here.......




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Aaran Gunn is a far right loon, puh-leeze

Surely you can find a better source than this

[Zepfancouver]

A new mayor Ken Sim and a new day in Vancouver. We can now close and archive this thread