Salt Lake MSA Development Thread - Page 92

skyguy414 · #**1821** Posted **Nov 30, 2009, 8:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by goldcntry

Looks like the main square in the Back to the Future movies.... But I like it!

That was the first thing that came to mind too when I saw the pic.

"Save the Clock Tower!"

i-215 · #**1822** Posted **Nov 30, 2009, 10:37 PM**

So True!

jedikermit · #**1823** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 5:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by goldcntry

Looks like the main square in the Back to the Future movies.... But I like it!

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that. I wasn't going to bring it up, but it's true. So does that mean it's "traditional," or that it looks like it's just the facade of a film set?

delts145 · #**1824** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 11:54 AM**

Utah population tops 2.8 million, but growth rate is cut in half

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348497/Utah-population-tops-28M.html?pg=1

2009 population estimates - http://www.deseretnews.com/pdf/120209pop1.pdf

Utah's population exceeded 2.8 million this year, but what had been high-speed growth has slowed to a comparative crawl, state officials said...

..."Two years ago, we added 84,000 people to our state, which was like adding a city about the size of Ogden. This year, we added 42,310, which is like adding a city the size of Draper," said state planning coordinator Mike Mower, who chairs the Utah Population Estimates Committee, which met Tuesday.

"So in two years, our growth has been cut in half," he said as his committee officially estimated Utah's population, as of July 1, at 2,800,089, just 89 people over the 2.8 million mark.

Mower said the major reason for the slowdown "is simple. It's the recession. As the economy slowed down, fewer people came to Utah looking for jobs."...

..."But we still had a positive in-migration. That means the economy in Utah is likely still somewhat better, relatively, than the economy in other states, and we are still attracting some people here," Tennert said.

She said she expects immigration to pick up when the economy picks up. "We expect that 2009 will be the lowest point for in-migration, and that it will increase in coming years," she said...

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delts145 · #**1825** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 12:19 PM**

Sandy reconsiders plans for Broadway theater, high-rises

By Rosemary Winters
The Salt Lake Tribune

Sandy » An architect has been asked to re-cast the vision for a mega Broadway theater surrounded by soaring office-and-condo towers. The playhouse may or may not keep its starring role.

Sandy recently bought eight of the 11 acres that were once slated to give rise to The Proscenium, a $500 million housing, lodging, shopping and office complex near 10000 South and east of Interstate 15. Sandy paid $5.2 million for the land, which had gone into foreclosure and was appraised at $6 million.

Sandy plans to contract with Russell Platt, the architect hired by the previous landowner, to create a master plan for the entire area between City Hall and the South Towne mall.

It will be a "wish list," said Sandy spokeswoman Trina Duerksen of what the city wants to see built under current economic conditions. She expects a developer to purchase or lease the land and start construction next spring.

But the vision likely won't be as grand as the original Proscenium, which was billed as an arts district for Sandy with galleries, four theaters and a performing-arts school.

"I'm taking a fresh look at it," Platt said. "We'll be revisiting the scale of the project, but it's still slated to be a mixed-use development."

It would be "fair to say," he added, that the buildings won't be quite so tall. Last year, the Sandy City Council approved 600-foot heights in the area so that three Proscenium towers could reach 40 stories. That would have made the buildings the tallest in Utah.

Sandy Economic Development Director Randy Sant said he thought 20-story towers could still be possible.

The master plan is scheduled to be done in the next three to four months.

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SLC Projects · #**1826** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 7:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

She expects a developer to purchase or lease the land and start construction next spring.
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I hope so. I really want to see this project come online.

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Originally Posted by delts145

But the vision likely won't be as grand as the original Proscenium, which was billed as an arts district for Sandy with galleries, four theaters and a performing-arts school.
"I'm taking a fresh look at it," Platt said. "We'll be revisiting the scale of the project, but it's still slated to be a mixed-use development."
Sandy Economic Development Director Randy Sant said he thought 20-story towers could still be possible.

20-story towers at this time would make more sense then the 40-story towers.

TonyAnderson · #**1827** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Utah population tops 2.8 million, but growth rate is cut in half

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348497/Utah-population-tops-28M.html?pg=1

2009 population estimates - http://www.deseretnews.com/pdf/120209pop1.pdf

Utah's population exceeded 2.8 million this year, but what had been high-speed growth has slowed to a comparative crawl, state officials said...

..."Two years ago, we added 84,000 people to our state, which was like adding a city about the size of Ogden. This year, we added 42,310, which is like adding a city the size of Draper," said state planning coordinator Mike Mower, who chairs the Utah Population Estimates Committee, which met Tuesday.

"So in two years, our growth has been cut in half," he said as his committee officially estimated Utah's population, as of July 1, at 2,800,089, just 89 people over the 2.8 million mark.

Mower said the major reason for the slowdown "is simple. It's the recession. As the economy slowed down, fewer people came to Utah looking for jobs."...

..."But we still had a positive in-migration. That means the economy in Utah is likely still somewhat better, relatively, than the economy in other states, and we are still attracting some people here," Tennert said.

She said she expects immigration to pick up when the economy picks up. "We expect that 2009 will be the lowest point for in-migration, and that it will increase in coming years," she said...

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The 2009 Census Numbers for state populations come out around Dec. 22 of this year I believe. It will be interesting to see their projections, as they are the standard for what most people use when looking at population. It seems as though Utah may no longer be the fastest growing state, but then again, maybe numbers dipped all around. I would have thought Utah would have seen a good net-in migration, as the recession would have brought a lot of people to Utah looking for jobs not available in other areas due to the better economy here.

urbanboy · #**1828** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by SLC Projects

I hope so. I really want to see this project come online.

20-story towers at this time would make more sense then the 40-story towers.

That could mean 20 stories less for Downtown SLC

SLC Projects · #**1829** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

That could mean 20 stories less for Downtown SLC

Not every company wants to locate in downtown SLC. For the business that want to stay in the suburbs this at least is better then just another 5-story business park.

John Martin · #**1830** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

That could mean 20 stories less for Downtown SLC

No, that means 20 stories won't be added to downtown SLC (which would be the case regardless of the project becoming a reality or not). They're not taking anything away, and there's no reason to assume they were ever considering downtown in the first place. Let's face it, downtown isn't for everybody.

TonyAnderson · #**1831** Posted **Dec 2, 2009, 10:52 PM**

I understand not all companies are going to locate downtown, but I would prefer it. I wish it was for everyone. It's the center of everything, including transportation, which just makes everything easier and more accessible for employers and employees.

John Martin · #**1832** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 1:08 AM**

I think if everyone had to travel downtown everyday, it would be much harder for everyone.

Stenar · #**1833** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by SLC Projects

I hope so. I really want to see this project come online.

20-story towers at this time would make more sense then the 40-story towers.

I hope nothing taller than 7-10 stories is ever built there.

SLC Rocks · #**1834** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 5:20 AM**

20 story buildings don't belong in the suburbs, if Sandy does build one, which it won't, it will be the only one that ever gets built out of downtown.

TonyAnderson · #**1835** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 6:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by John Martin

I think if everyone had to travel downtown everyday, it would be much harder for everyone.

Well in the world created here, yes. Because almost everyone has to travel.

delts145 · #**1836** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 12:01 PM**

Of course, Sandy will build 20-plus something story towers. Whether we like it or not, it is inevitable. Not just L.A., but pretty much every major metro in this country will if they haven't already. Whether it's Seattle or Denver, or any of the 50 largest metros, all have high-rise nodes located throughout their metro, or plans to construct them. Because of many demographic factors, Sandy is a natural for a high-rise business center.

delts145 · #**1837** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 12:09 PM**

Utah mall owner General Growth restructures $9.7 billion in debt

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348732/Utah-mall-owner-restructures-debt.html

NEW YORK — General Growth Properties Inc. said Wednesday lenders have agreed to restructure about $9.7 billion in debt under a plan that will allow 92 of its properties to emerge from bankruptcy protection by the end of the year...

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_13911697

Cottonwood Mall, which was demolished in early 2008 ? leaving only a Macy?s department store on the huge expanse of land ? in preparation for a revival that has not begun. (Rick Egan / Tribune file photo)

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delts145 · #**1838** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 12:11 PM**

EBay takes incentive, will add jobs in Utah

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348731/EBay-will-add-jobs-in-Utah.html

EBay, headquartered in San Jose, Calif., currently employs about 1,000 workers in Utah. The incentive approval was based on the company adding about 250 positions between its new data center and customer support operation. The new project would support an additional 207 full-time positions in Utah by the end of 2010, with the promise to maintain that level for the 10 years the incentive covers...

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Orlando · #**1839** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Of course, Sandy will build 20-plus something story towers. Whether we like it or not, it is inevitable. Not just L.A., but pretty much every major metro in this country will if they haven't already. Whether it's Seattle or Denver, or any of the 50 largest metros, all have high-rise nodes located throughout their metro, or plans to construct them. Because of many demographic factors, Sandy is a natural for a high-rise business center.

Delts, We are not even close to being like LA. Nor, do I think we want to follow in their path. Seattle has Bellevue, just like Salt Lake has Provo and Ogden. Highrise towers like that in Sandy would hurt downtown Salt Lake in its current situation. Downtown SLC is fighting to keep any vibrancy. Thus, the very expensive City Creek Center. I drove through downtown SLC, and am still amazed at the lack of vibrancy and lack of people in it. We have blight and vacant lots due to the loss of business, etc. to suburban sprawl. If we want a vibrant center, their needs to be a shift in development in the metro. More housing, more mixed-use, more connectivity for pedestrians, etc. in the downtown and elsewhere. When I come over the North Temple bridge into downtown, I love the denseness that the Gateway, Triad, and The Delta Center give, but then there is that no-mans land corridor between 300 west and West Temple. At this point, 20 story towers in Sandy do not belong there at all at this time. It's absurd! We have trouble enough to get a 20 story building built in downtown SLC. I'm so sick of Sandy's arrogance. If you remember, I laughed at the original tower and theater development, and said that they will never be built at that scale or even close to it. I was right. And, you argued against me. This is also the same for the Lehi Gehry plans. I'm right again. Two for two. I hope this 20 story highrise zone idea becomes quickly destroyed, at least for the next 20 to 30 years.

SLC Projects · #**1840** Posted **Dec 3, 2009, 5:01 PM**

Again.

NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE OR MOVE THEIR BUSINESS DOWNTOWN.

God people if Sandy builds a 20-story tower it's not the end of the world. For those who want to move downtown there will still be a need for towers. You guys just need to get over your hate towards Sandy.

But hell Murray has a 15-story Hospital in the Suburbs so I guess there's no need for there to be any Hospitals in Salt Lake City right?
Again ( Since I made this point time and time again. ) Why would everybody want to get themselves into a gridlock as they are trying to drive to downtown to or from work? People who live in the south end of the valley might not want to drive 40+ miles to downtown to work. It doesn't help that Downtown Salt Lake City is located clear up on the North East end of the Valley. Just think what would it be like if Downtown was located in the center of the valley say where Murray is. Downtown would be a lot closer to...well everyone.
Sure they could move downtown. But why buy a rip off one bedroom condo for $400,000+. Sure the views might be great. But for big families that's not going to work. Since most families here have at least three kids it makes more sense for most people to live in bigger houses that you can't really find downtown. Not everyone can afford to live downtown. City Creek Center is nice and all. But I would never be abull to afford to live there. Also people want free parking.
For the most part I don't believe Sandy City is taking away from Downtown. ( Other then maybe the Stadium )