SAN FRANCISCO | 77 Beale St | 1,225 FT | ? FLOORS

[SFView]

Originally Posted by homebucket

See above! Looks like 50 Main St would actually still be built, but not in its original proposal.

Yes, I saw that update on Yimby just few hours after my post. That’s great news!

[SFView]

Source:https://files.ceqanet.lci.ca.gov/327...4mIaImoF37Czd0

New Tower
The project proposes to demolish the existing 77 Beale Street office tower (approximately 34 stories/1,000,180 gsf) and construct a new mixed-use tower of up to 1,225 feet in height with an up to 75-foot architectural crown/spire. This new tower would exceed the height of the SalesForce Tower, which is currently the City’s tallest building, by approximately 200 feet. The office tower would be located in the “Tower Location Zone” shown in Figure 4, which is a 229-foot by 275-foot area located in the southern portion of the site. However, the exact tower location has not yet been determined and the final tower location could be oriented toward Main Street, Mission Street, or Beale Street. Figure 6, p. 18 (Proposed Massing Scenarios) shows the three tower locations that will be studied in the EIR, as well as the massing envelopes. Final tower siting and design within the southern portion of the block would be established in the design guidelines. The EIR will evaluate a range of potential tower locations/massing scenarios for wind and shadow analysis within the southern portion of the site. A flexible program of development is proposed for the new tower, which would be primarily office uses. The new tower would include up to 1,580,211 gsf of office use, of which up to 250,000 gsf may be substituted with institutional uses (e.g., post-secondary education/childcare). The tower would also incorporate new retail opportunities. The tower could also include the residential and/or hotel programs identified for the project variants (discussed below). In addition, the new tower could include an up to 75,000 gsf observation deck at or near the top of the tower. In total, the new tower would be up to 1,816,711 gsf.

Maximum height with architectural crown/spire would be up to 1300 feet! I agree an observation deck at or near the top should be included.

[gillynova]

Ah, what a dream

[Zapatan]

Nice, hope they pull it off, I wish the envelope were slightly higher to hit the magical 400 meter mark.

[homebucket]

Nice! About time SF gets a true observation deck/tower other than rooftop bars/lounges.

[sentinel]

Build it!!!!

[BuildThemTaller]

Hell yeah let's build a massive tower in SF!

[SFView]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Nice! About time SF gets a true observation deck/tower other than rooftop bars/lounges.

I do see from the same document this:

...up to 75,000 square feet near the top of the tower for potential
observation deck for retail entertainment use...

Assuming floor plates of approximately 28,350 sf near the top, that would mean up to almost 3 or 2.6 levels of observation deck space could be considered.

[SFView]

...And there's this:

With the current schedule, demolition of existing tower at 77 Beale begins 4th quarter 2026. Below grade work begins 2nd quarter of 2028. We may start seeing the new tower structure rise 2nd quarter of 2030, with completion 1st quarter of 2033. This is about 6.5 years total.

Construction of an additional 400-foot residential or hotel tower variant would begin 2nd quarter of 2029. With about 2.75 years duration, this would be completed the end of 2031.

[twinpeaks]

Originally Posted by SFView

...And there's this:

With the current schedule, demolition of existing tower at 77 Beale begins 4th quarter 2026. Below grade work begins 2nd quarter of 2028. We may start seeing the new tower structure rise 2nd quarter of 2030, with completion 1st quarter of 2033. This is about 6.5 years total.

Construction of an additional 400-foot residential or hotel tower variant would begin 2nd quarter of 2029. With about 2.75 years duration, this would be completed the end of 2031.

[homebucket]

Wonder where they are at with approval and financing.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by SFView

Assuming floor plates of approximately 28,350 sf near the top, that would mean up to almost 3 or 2.6 levels of observation deck space could be considered.

Hopefully we can get something that the public and tourists can enjoy that lives up to your namesake!

[SFView]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Wonder where they are at with approval and financing.

As stated in the Notice of Preparation of an Environmental Impact Report dated December 17, 2015 in the link posted above, in regards to approvel:

Purpose of Notice
The planning department has determined that an EIR must be prepared for the proposed project prior to any final decision regarding whether to approve the project. The purpose of the EIR is to provide information about potential significant physical environmental effects of the proposed project, to identify possible ways to minimize the significant effects, and to describe and analyze possible alternatives to the proposed project. Preparation of an NOP or EIR does not indicate a decision by the City to approve or to disapprove the project. However, prior to making any such decision, the decision makers must review and consider the information contained in the EIR.

Along with a completed EIR, there should also be completed plans for review and approval. Obviously, approval must come before below grade construction begins, so perhaps approval may come sometime in 2027, if all goes well according to anticipated project schedule.

Where financing involves construction cost, plans must also be completed for the architect to do cost estimates based on intended design.

[SFView]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Hopefully we can get something that the public and tourists can enjoy that lives up to your namesake!

Yes, I think they should incorporate some of the features that are included on modern day and future major cruise ships sailing the Caribbean. Places to eat, drink, be entertained, amused and shop might be nice depending on how space is planned out. It might also increase attractiveness of a possible hotel in the building. I also think similar should be considered to revive Westfield Mall, but that's another story. It also should be feasible. Whatever is settled on, they should certainly make most advantage of the San Francisco view(s) from 1,200 feet above, if that is going to be the actual height! BTW, thanks!

[SFView]

Some additional possibilities from Safa Two in Dubai:

Source: https://dreamstarviewproperties.com/portfolio/safa-two/

View Experience


Indoor Fog Forest


Glass Slide


Just dreaming... We are still very early in the design process for 77 Beale.

[BobbyMucho]

Originally Posted by SFView

Some additional possibilities from Safa Two in Dubai:

Just dreaming... We are still very early in the design process for 77 Beale.

Hmmm, no thanks. Haha

[SFView]

Originally Posted by BobbyMucho

Hmmm, no thanks. Haha

Not to worry. I suspect the local health and safety codes wouldn't permit such devices in the quite same way. There needs to be more precaution from injuring one's self from feet slipping and hitting against the ledge, or slide walls cracking, etc. The Willis Tower in Chicago does have "The Ledge" glass balcony extending out from the 103rd floor. It is much safer. Would you care to try something like that - LOL?

[homebucket]

Idk if it has to be that elaborate, although an indoor/outdoor fog forest would be an interesting idea, leveraging the natural fog that SF experiences, which I think at 1200 ft up would occur somewhat frequently. I do think we could use more tourist experiences downtown though. But yeah, we are putting the cart way ahead of the horse at this time.

[SFView]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Idk if it has to be that elaborate, although an indoor/outdoor fog forest would be an interesting idea, leveraging the natural fog that SF experiences, which I think at 1200 ft up would occur somewhat frequently. I do think we could use more tourist experiences downtown though. But yeah, we are putting the cart way ahead of the horse at this time.

Agreed, we'll just wait for more legitimate news regarding 77 Beale. According to the proposed project schedule, that could be a rather long time from now.

[BobbyMucho]

Not to worry. I suspect the local health and safety codes wouldn't permit such devices in the quite same way. There needs to be more precaution from injuring one's self from feet slipping and hitting against the ledge, or slide walls cracking, etc. The Willis Tower in Chicago does have "The Ledge" glass balcony extending out from the 103rd floor. It is much safer. Would you care to try something like that - LOL?

Subjectively, I'm not interested in architectural amusement park-style amenities. Objectively, there's no doubt that any one of these ideas would be scrutinized into oblivion by the menagerie of city departments, etc.