1780 E Broadway | 144m, 125m, 122m | 44fl, 38fl, 37fl | Proposed

[Vin]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

tell that to the senior who died a few years ago on the Canoe Bridge by Olympic Village after being clipped by a cyclist riding over what is 100% meant for pedestrians only.

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

incorrect there was a murder a few years ago. or a hit and run what ever you want to call it.

Stanley Park pedestrian, 71, dies after being hit by cyclist

Man visiting from China was on Stanley Park Drive near totem poles when struck

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...ies-after-being-hit-by-cyclist-1.2787886

I digress then. So pray tell why is there absolutely no traffic enforcement on the sidewalks and walkways? Shows what kind of City we are living in. I see way more cops idling around working as security guards in film sets than any patrolling streets. Ok I take that back: I only see them walking on the streets when they are heading over to get coffee and doughnuts. They should be walking around writing summons to violating traffic rules.

[idunno]

Sidewalk riding is a direct consequence of lack of protected cycle tracks.

None of our commercial high streets have protected bike facilities. Turns out that's where most of the restaurants are. So it's no wonder that all of the uber eats/doordash drivers are on the sidewalks.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

I think you are getting this mixed up with the stanley park bike murder that happened in 2014 >> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...ies-after-being-hit-by-cyclist-1.2787886

This was the hit and run of a senior by a cyclist?

A Vancouver senior was seriously injured when he was struck by a cyclist on a pedestrian-only path on the south side of False Creek.

Mike West was leaving his home on Spruce Harbour Marina, walking on a pedestrian-only bridge linking the marina to Ironwork Passage, when he was hit by a cyclist who continued on their way.

“A blatant hit and run. And we have big signs, at each end of our bridge, telling people not to ride the bikes on here,” fumed his friend, Mike Scott.

“Some people just don’t give a damn. They ride right over people.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/2750499/84-ye...being-hit-by-cyclist-on-pedestrian-path/

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by idunno

Sidewalk riding is a direct consequence of lack of protected cycle tracks.

None of our commercial high streets have protected bike facilities. Turns out that's where most of the restaurants are. So it's no wonder that all of the uber eats/doordash drivers are on the sidewalks.

What about protected walking tracks?

The cyclist mentality of "it's not working for me, so I'm going to impede somebody else's experience" is not winning any PR battles.

[Migrant_Coconut]

And I'm sure most of us have seen at least one or more cases of a biker having a dedicated lane and using the sidewalk anyway. Desperation can be one of the causes, sure... but so can arrogance.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And I'm sure most of us have seen at least one or more cases of a biker having a dedicated lane and using the sidewalk anyway. Desperation can be one of the causes, sure... but so can arrogance.

exactly.

i have seen bikes use the road next to AAA bike lanes (Hornby, Dunsmuir) and i have also seen them use the sidewalk/crosswalks next to AAA bike lanes (hornby, Dunsmuir).

HUB cycling is insane. has anyone here ever been in one of their classes? i did it for work, and they are literally encouraging people to do this crap. not to mention that have a direct line to CoV staff and more than a few got hired by CoV after being in HUB.

[s211]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

exactly.

i have seen bikes use the road next to AAA bike lanes (Hornby, Dunsmuir) and i have also seen them use the sidewalk/crosswalks next to AAA bike lanes (hornby, Dunsmuir).

HUB cycling is insane. has anyone here ever been in one of their classes? i did it for work, and they are literally encouraging people to do this crap. not to mention that have a direct line to CoV staff and more than a few got hired by CoV after being in HUB.

And we wonder why Critical Mass gets a free pass.

[SpongeG]

Some cyclists have an anti-car attitude and drive on streets instead of bike paths just to piss off or make cars drive slower

[vanman]

Originally Posted by Klazu

The proposed towers are also so ugly that ai am actually opposed to them. Something way better should go here or nothing.

Agreed. Not sure why these have to be so ugly. You would think in an area dominated by NIMBYs that they would at least try and make these towers more appealing.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by vanman

Agreed. Not sure why these have to be so ugly. You would think in an area dominated by NIMBYs that they would at least try and make these towers more appealing.

It's like the Independent.
For some reason I think they think that the disjointed design will appeal to hipsters / cultural types.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And I'm sure most of us have seen at least one or more cases of a biker having a dedicated lane and using the sidewalk anyway. Desperation can be one of the causes, sure... but so can arrogance.

Sidewalk and/or the vehicle lane. They use whatever they want.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by officedweller

It's like the Independent.
For some reason I think they think that the disjointed design will appeal to hipsters / cultural types.

The Independent is at least colourful. This has turned into just drab overall.

[officedweller]

Yeah, they're relying on the greenery for colour, and we all know how well that turns out !

[whatnext]

I'm surprised nobody ever posted this article from December about planning and this area, quite good actually:

Torture by Planning
To understand how Vancouver uses and abuses public input on major developments, look at Commercial Drive’s Safeway site.
Charles Campbell 3 Dec 2021
Charles Campbell has worked as a writer and editor with the Georgia Straight, the Vancouver Sun and The Tyee, and teaches at Capilano University.

In 2013, I met an elderly woman outside the Safeway at Broadway and Commercial. We chatted about the City of Vancouver’s draft proposal to allow a 36-storey tower on the site. “They’re nuts,” she said. Eight years of public process ensued, and the residential tower vision was widely repudiated by the community. Late last summer, I was walking into the Safeway under the new development permit application sign. It includes what one critic counts as, possibly, a 41-storey tower. I asked the guy beside me what he thought of it. “This is the last welcoming neighbourhood in the city,” he said. “And that will be the end of it.”

In between was an area citizens’ assembly, a new community plan, two civic elections, approval for a new Broadway subway and three directors of planning....

....We also don’t hear much about prices for market rentals or strata condos in the development, which is reasonable to a point. They can’t price them now. However, Westbank’s new project on Joyce Street near Kingsway, one of Vancouver’s poorer neighbourhoods, features three-bedroom condos of 959 square feet starting at $1,458,800. There are luxurious, thoughtful amenities, of course, and the associated monthly condo fees — there would have to be — but there is not a private park. Downtown, a Westbank studio on an old Safeway site rents for about $2,300, and a two bedroom for $4,600.

Sometimes this whole process has felt like planning by exhaustion. Councils come and go, and so do residents. The developers buy land. They have people for that, and a few of them are bullies. Developers have money, time, consultants and political friends. I really like and respect many people I’ve met on both sides of this debate. But sometimes it feels like developers simply look at a community, cross their arms and say “We can outlast you.”...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/12/03/Torture-By-Planning/

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I'm surprised nobody ever posted this article from December about planning and this area, quite good actually:

Torture by Planning
To understand how Vancouver uses and abuses public input on major developments, look at Commercial Drive’s Safeway site.
Charles Campbell 3 Dec 2021
Charles Campbell has worked as a writer and editor with the Georgia Straight, the Vancouver Sun and The Tyee, and teaches at Capilano University.

In 2013, I met an elderly woman outside the Safeway at Broadway and Commercial. We chatted about the City of Vancouver’s draft proposal to allow a 36-storey tower on the site. “They’re nuts,” she said. Eight years of public process ensued, and the residential tower vision was widely repudiated by the community. Late last summer, I was walking into the Safeway under the new development permit application sign. It includes what one critic counts as, possibly, a 41-storey tower. I asked the guy beside me what he thought of it. “This is the last welcoming neighbourhood in the city,” he said. “And that will be the end of it.”

In between was an area citizens’ assembly, a new community plan, two civic elections, approval for a new Broadway subway and three directors of planning....

....We also don’t hear much about prices for market rentals or strata condos in the development, which is reasonable to a point. They can’t price them now. However, Westbank’s new project on Joyce Street near Kingsway, one of Vancouver’s poorer neighbourhoods, features three-bedroom condos of 959 square feet starting at $1,458,800. There are luxurious, thoughtful amenities, of course, and the associated monthly condo fees — there would have to be — but there is not a private park. Downtown, a Westbank studio on an old Safeway site rents for about $2,300, and a two bedroom for $4,600.

Sometimes this whole process has felt like planning by exhaustion. Councils come and go, and so do residents. The developers buy land. They have people for that, and a few of them are bullies. Developers have money, time, consultants and political friends. I really like and respect many people I’ve met on both sides of this debate. But sometimes it feels like developers simply look at a community, cross their arms and say “We can outlast you.”...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/12/03/Torture-By-Planning/

Maybe if the City were to let more developers come in to build in a larger upzoned neighbourhood rather than only allowing one single lot made exclusively for Wesbank, perhaps the result would've been vastly different from what we see today. The Broadway Plan will, to a certain extent, change all that exclusivity.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Maybe if the City were to let more developers come in to build in a larger upzoned neighbourhood rather than only allowing one single lot made exclusively for Wesbank, perhaps the result would've been vastly different from what we see today. The Broadway Plan will, to a certain extent, change all that exclusivity.

I'm pretty certain the Broadway Plan won't make much difference at Commercial and Broadway. That's because the Grandview Plan already allows rezonings on a larger neighbourhood - not just the single lot that is owned by Crombie. That's why this 12-storey rental building is already almost complete less than a block from the Safeway site.

[Migrant_Coconut]

^ 1649 W Broadway above was also considered excessive for the neighbourhood, as was the Kettle-Boffo tower... and 815 and 3365 Commercial, at four and six floors. It's evidently only a "welcoming" neighbourhood as long as you're a homeowner.

Also, an op-ed from the Tyee? Good thing it's digital, because I wouldn't wipe my ass with it.

[cov]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I'm surprised nobody ever posted this article from December about planning and this area, quite good actually:

Torture by Planning
To understand how Vancouver uses and abuses public input on major developments, look at Commercial Drive’s Safeway site.
Charles Campbell 3 Dec 2021
Charles Campbell has worked as a writer and editor with the Georgia Straight, the Vancouver Sun and The Tyee, and teaches at Capilano University.

In 2013, I met an elderly woman outside the Safeway at Broadway and Commercial. We chatted about the City of Vancouver’s draft proposal to allow a 36-storey tower on the site. “They’re nuts,” she said. Eight years of public process ensued, and the residential tower vision was widely repudiated by the community. Late last summer, I was walking into the Safeway under the new development permit application sign. It includes what one critic counts as, possibly, a 41-storey tower. I asked the guy beside me what he thought of it. “This is the last welcoming neighbourhood in the city,” he said. “And that will be the end of it.”

In between was an area citizens’ assembly, a new community plan, two civic elections, approval for a new Broadway subway and three directors of planning....

....We also don’t hear much about prices for market rentals or strata condos in the development, which is reasonable to a point. They can’t price them now. However, Westbank’s new project on Joyce Street near Kingsway, one of Vancouver’s poorer neighbourhoods, features three-bedroom condos of 959 square feet starting at $1,458,800. There are luxurious, thoughtful amenities, of course, and the associated monthly condo fees — there would have to be — but there is not a private park. Downtown, a Westbank studio on an old Safeway site rents for about $2,300, and a two bedroom for $4,600.

Sometimes this whole process has felt like planning by exhaustion. Councils come and go, and so do residents. The developers buy land. They have people for that, and a few of them are bullies. Developers have money, time, consultants and political friends. I really like and respect many people I’ve met on both sides of this debate. But sometimes it feels like developers simply look at a community, cross their arms and say “We can outlast you.”...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/12/03/Torture-By-Planning/

people don't talk about it because it regurgitates all the talking points of the asshats who claim that all the condos are empty and causing traffic problems at the same time.

Prime example is how this article is linked by the person who hate on tall buildings but somehow uses affordability as the reason why he opposes every new housing. Somehow only rich people can afford these rentals, and it's actually the million dollar homeowners who are poor. We don't talk about the article because a child can see through these brain dead clowns who buy into this stuff.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by cov

people don't talk about it because it regurgitates all the talking points of the asshats who claim that all the condos are empty and causing traffic problems at the same time.

Prime example is how this article is linked by the person who hate on tall buildings but somehow uses affordability as the reason why he opposes every new housing. Somehow only rich people can afford these rentals, and it's actually the million dollar homeowners who are poor. We don't talk about the article because a child can see through these brain dead clowns who buy into this stuff.

I'd say that attitude is rather typical of the arrogance of those who work at city hall.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I'd say that attitude is rather typical of the arrogance of those who work at city hall.

Show us on the picture where the tall building hurt you.