Maddox | 98M | 32flrs | Completed

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Jebby

In what world does that make any sense?

Excuse me, but I think Logan might have been saying that in a slightly tongue-in-cheek manner ...

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Excuse me, but I think Logan might have been saying that in a slightly tongue-in-cheek manner ...

That comment was prefaced with:

Originally Posted by logan5

But seriously...

[Vin]

Originally Posted by logan5

Yeah, homeless people don't deserve to be treated like humans. Put them in the abandoned Stanley Park Zoo.

But seriously...

Homeless people get a home, plus the neighbourhood gets more character. Property values might actually rise. Everyone wins! In the end though, the hotel will be torn down and replaced with a glassy new tower full of righteous people. World saved.

I guess you would be totally OK if I put 4 homeless shelters in front, back, and both sides of where you live. Great! World saved.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I think the point the area locals are making is that there are already quite a few (5+) homeless shelters and social housing in that part of South Downtown (which is true). People think that it's getting beyond a good balance and I have to agree with them that too much is too much.

Not sure how many of these and how close to each other you have in the Mt. Pleasant area?

I know there's a halfway house for ex cons close by (Main and 13th), a half way house for addicts at Cambie and 13th, and I'm sure there are other places I don't know about. The old Biltmore at kingway and 12th is being converted to social housing, and there's that new social housing project at Broadway and Fraser. Even the social housing around SEFC has an affect on Mt. Pleasant. These guys tend to gravitate towards places like Main St.

I think we're all pretty much in the same boat unless we decide to institutionalize these people. Although I haven't noticed too many homeless in Kits...

[BodomReaper]

Originally Posted by logan5

I know there's a halfway house for ex cons close by (Main and 13th), a half way house for addicts at Cambie and 13th, and I'm sure there are other places I don't know about. The old Biltmore at kingway and 12th is being converted to social housing, and there's that new social housing project at Broadway and Fraser. Even the social housing around SEFC has an affect on Mt. Pleasant. These guys tend to gravitate towards places like Main St.

I think we're all pretty much in the same boat unless we decide to institutionalize these people. Although I haven't noticed too many homeless in Kits...

Off topic but it's a good discussion - for what it's worth, West 4th does attract quite a few homeless people on the commercial strip between Cypress and Balsam. With access to 3 Frequent Transit Network corridors and downtown, Kitsilano is definitely central enough to justify hosting a shelter.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by csbvan

I understand the argument that they are making, but there are 3 here in Southeast False Creek and it has hardly ruined the area.

This view is not shared by everyone and crime statistics. This story was an eye-opener for me and definitely worth the read despite lengthy: http://www.vancourier.com/news/socia...nths-1.1385917

Also of interest is the photo below. One could say there is a correlation...



Local residents are also now taking action against these new shelters:
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/12/p...ters-yaletown/

[Genauso]

Shelters are like emergency rooms for the medical system.

They are expensive care and not suited to delivering most of the needed care.

They should not be the primary delivery of services, and if so then something is very wrong.

Planting shelters around and then claiming accomplishment or dismissing further work is bad. Until there is clear development and results in the remainder of the homeless/mental health/domestic violence/substance abuse/unemployment pipeline, I agree with local residents resisting their neighborhood treated as a dumping ground or warehouse federally, provincially, and locally. I am sympathetic to the organizational and political challenges of building a large system piecemeal, but the current campaign won't succeed just by adding shelters even without concern for cost or neighbors.

[Genauso]

Originally Posted by BodomReaper

Off topic but it's a good discussion - for what it's worth, West 4th does attract quite a few homeless people on the commercial strip between Cypress and Balsam. With access to 3 Frequent Transit Network corridors and downtown, Kitsilano is definitely central enough to justify hosting a shelter.

There is lots of social housing throughout the west side and at least for a period in recent history there have been shelters in Kits. Some would surprise you, as they are just poor but well mannered seniors or young families for example. The thing you find on the west side is that there is more depth to neighborhoods as there had been more time to absorb and adjust over different generations, migration waves, and economies.

On a side note, any beggar with a regular spot they defend is usually least in need and in the system with long term housing, medical, and income assistance. The ones who collect tins for deposits usually have less but are happier. The ones who just wander and get into trouble are the most in need, but suffering from mental or substance problems.

[red-paladin]

This conversation belongs in another thread

[Klazu]

Last Sunday we went to see a suite on the 30th floor. I must say that we were very pleasantly surprised by the quality of finishes in this building and it is one of the highest quality new building we have seen.

The view from up there is spectacular, at least before more towers will go up around it. This particular suite was too small for us, but I have to say it had an excellent layout that took good use of the little space available. We are now looking to find more suites in this building.





Granville loops


The Mark


Granville Street


Neon building below.


Wall Centre complex.




Panorama from the balcony.

[red-paladin]

Fantastic photos!

[wrenegade]

Great photos as always.

I remember touring the presentation centre for Maddox and was impressed for the finishes at the time. Glad to hear the building has turned out well. I've been living in a Cressey building for 2.5 years (James in SEFC) and have been very happy.

Also, any update on the Coffee shop that is supposed to be going into the bottom at Howe & Drake? I remember during marketing it was said that some fancy new concept had already been secured for the space, but that was probably 3 years ago now and I don't believe anything has opened now.

[Klazu]

Yes, there is a place called BC's Best Coffee opening shortly.

[connect2source]

Great photos and glad you liked Maddox Klaus!
I'm a HUGE advocate of Cressey projects and promote them to my clients all the time, I've recently sold suites in James and Donovan, both Cressey projects. They go way beyond what's required and have built a very loyal following because of this. Most of their projects are largely owner-occupied and exceedingly well maintained and the valuations are often higher than similar buildings in the immediate area, whether you're buying or renting I cannot say enough good things about Cressey, they even extend their Home Warranties to 2-10-10 from 2-5-10.

[Klazu]

My biggest concern with Maddox was all the car traffic and noise from the roads around it, but I can tell you that those suites are completely quiet. Of course on balcony you have the traffic noise, but they have some pretty damn good windows isolating the noise.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Klazu

My biggest concern with Maddox was all the car traffic and noise from the roads around it, but I can tell you that those suites are completely quiet. Of course on balcony you have the traffic noise, but they have some pretty damn good windows isolating the noise.

Are you concerned at all about the construction noise? I'd also be a little concerned about "disorder" from the impending conversion of the Inn at False Creek.

One thing that struck me looking at your photos is how odd Granville looks still being lined with early 20th century buildings while everything around it is new. I know the theory is that residents of new highrises would complain about Granville's noise, but it seems like a waste of land.

[Klazu]

Traffic noise, construction noise... it's all the same and not a problem because of the great quality windows and isolation. The unit in these photos was in the NE corner of the building and this view is going to remain open for years to come. I would have settled for this view, but unfortunately the unit was only 1060sqf whereas we are looking for something in the 1200-1400 sqf range. I can still tell you that the layout was better and more spacious than on some of the 1250sqf units elsewhere we have seen.

We also saw another unit on the SW corner yesterday (photos coming), but there the view will be greatly impacted by new towers in the area. I would not buy in that direction, as value is sure to decline with loss of views. Another great suite, but not worth the mark up on the price.

There is a third unit coming available a bit later, that we are still interested in, so who knows if we end up in this building. The area is fine and only going to be getting better with added number of residents.

[vancouver604]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Yes, there is a place called BC's Best Coffee opening shortly.

No no it's actually the cat cafe.

[vancouver604]

Originally Posted by vancouver604

No no it's actually the cat cafe.

April fools

[Klazu]

Two weeks ago we saw also another suite on the 28th floor. This one was facing SW and would have a great view. Too bad the weather was anything by great and it was really pouring heavily when I took these photos.

Tate on Howe will be filling this view.


Salt looks nice from this angle.


This view will be blocked by the proposed 40 floor tower next door.


It would be great to watch Vancouver House go up from this balcony.