NFL coming to Toronto - Page 9

dennis1 · #**161** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by BretttheRiderFan

The Canadian talent is far better now than it was in the past

Some of the best players in the league are Canadian, which you couldn't say 10 years ago

The CFL hasnt always been this popular, but it has always been one of the biggest sports in the nation for fanbase and the Grey Cup has always drawn millions of viewers even in the worst years

So drop the quota then. Affirmative action is affirmative action.

BretttheRiderFan · #**162** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

Rogers lost money and the Bills made a profit.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bills/2008-12-04-toronto-cover_N.htm
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/423169
http://football.ballparks.com/CFL/Toronto/index.htm

Bills made 9.7 million

Argos have lost money for the past 5 years.

What are you so afraid of? If the CFL is strong it will still be here. The CFL is for a record contract from the TSN family.

Rogers lost money

That's all I need to know

And I'm not afraid of the NFL, I don't have to be

It's not coming to Canada any time soon

And you are right the CFL TV contract should be much improved next time around

dennis1 · #**163** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 4:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by BretttheRiderFan

Rogers lost money

That's all I need to know

And I'm not afraid of the NFL, I don't have to be

It's not coming to Canada any time soon

And you are right the CFL TV contract should be much improved next time around

The point is the team made money, rogers entered a venture and lost, but they don't own the team
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Simmons/2010/08/18/15069786.html

thurmas · #**164** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 4:51 AM**

the biggest mistake the argos made was staying at skydome and not building bmo field at york university when they had the chance.

isaidso · #**165** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 5:38 AM**

The 100th Grey Cup in 2012 was awarded to Toronto by our national football league so hopefully Canada's league can regain its once lofty place in our biggest city.

Keep the NFL 100% American.

dennis1 · #**166** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 5:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

the biggest mistake the argos made was staying at skydome and not building bmo field at york university when they had the chance.

They flubbed that hard and Ford will not build them a stadium too. From what I hear Braley has no interest in a new stadium

dennis1 · #**167** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 5:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

The 100th Grey Cup in 2012 was awarded to Toronto by our national football league so hopefully Canada's league can regain its once lofty place in our biggest city.

Keep the NFL 100% American.

You just said Toronto does not deserve the Argos. I said the Argos do no make money. What's with the change in opinion?

Plus the Grey Cup was here already a couple of years ago and it didn't change anything.

isaidso · #**168** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 6:06 AM**

They don't deserve the Argos, but one has to try.

dennis1 · #**169** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 11:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

They don't deserve the Argos, but one has to try.

Good point. I respect that.

The_Architect · #**170** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

Let me ask those in western canada this?

How come CFL=NFL but NHL>>>>AHL in your minds? Because some get mad when you say CFL<<<<NFL but agree for AHL<<<<NHL

The CFL is not a "farm league" of the NFL. Different rules, different game. (I like the CFL better anyways)

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Originally Posted by BretttheRiderFan

Rogers lost money

That's all I need to know

And I'm not afraid of the NFL, I don't have to be

It's not coming to Canada any time soon

The NFL has about as much of a chance of coming to Toronto as Winnipeg does of getting an NHL team.

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Originally Posted by isaidso

They don't deserve the Argos, but one has to try.

Toronto deserves the Argos just as much as any city deserves their team, if not more.

dennis1 · #**171** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

The CFL is not a "farm league" of the NFL. Different rules, different game. (I like the CFL better anyways)

Great. That's the main thing I always hear. "The rules are different." The AHL rules are not entirely similar either, you have to wear some sort of a mask in there for starters.

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The NFL has about as much of a chance of coming to Toronto as Winnipeg does of getting an NHL team.

Winnipeg will get a team very soon if not next year. As for the NFL, anything can happen, but no right now because Toronto does not have a proper stadium.

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Toronto deserves the Argos just as much as any city deserves their team, if not more.

If they did attendance would show that. isaidso is right.

The_Architect · #**172** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

If they did attendance would show that. isaidso is right.

This is the biggest thing that makes my blood boil.
Toronto is the biggest city in Canada, has the most professional sports teams in Canada, and is the home to not only one of the oldest professional sports franchises in NA but is the birthplace of football itself.
Saying Toronto doesn't deserve the Argos is like saying Montreal doesn't deserve the Habs or St. Andrews doesn't deserve a golf course.

If the Argos played in a stadium the size of Molson or Taylor Field they would fill it, or come very close.
Do the Lions fill BC Place? No. But nobody is saying they don't deserve their team, without even using the fact that the Lions are irrelevant to the history of the league and the game.
Just another excuse for Toronto bashing.

thurmas · #**173** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 4:13 PM**

No cfl team is irelevant to the league's history the lions gave us the 94 grey cup classic with Lui's last second field goal in the first Canada U.S. Grey Cup and Swervin Mervyn Fernandez and Geroy Simon.However the lions on average draw decent crowds at b.c. place in the 32,000 range a game. I beleive even at rogers centre if the argos have a good club they can do that to. Remember just in 2007 the argos averaged more than 30,000 a game so it's possible. The problem with rogers centre is the argos get no concession revenues or parking revenues it goes to rogers and the blue jays which is bull shit.

le calmar · #**174** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 4:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

Toronto is the birthplace of football itself.

Toronto invented football now?

SpikePhanta · #**175** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 4:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

Toronto invented football now?

First recorded game in toronto (look at a poster's sig.)

isaidso · #**176** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 4:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

This is the biggest thing that makes my blood boil.
Toronto is the biggest city in Canada, has the most professional sports teams in Canada, and is the home to not only one of the oldest professional sports franchises in NA but is the birthplace of football itself.
Saying Toronto doesn't deserve the Argos is like saying Montreal doesn't deserve the Habs or St. Andrews doesn't deserve a golf course.

It's all the more painful and appalling because of that history you mention. Montreal idolizes the Habs while St. Andrews is a global golf shrine. Toronto should be beaming with pride over that team but treats the Argos like a pile of shit. They behave like the Argos are an embarrasment to be hidden from sight.

The Argos must be restored to their former glory, they just must.

isaidso · #**177** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 4:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

Toronto invented football now?

The origins of football in Toronto (and Montreal) are well documented. Montrealers should be proud of their massive cultural contribution too. Football is not a sport Canada imported.

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1861
First documented football game was played at the University of Toronto on the present site of University College (400 yards west of Queen's Park) on November 9. One of the participants in the game involving University of Toronto students was (Sir) William Mulock, later it's Chancellor.

Courtesy of the Canadian Football League: http://www.cfl.ca/page/his_timeline_1860

Gerrard · #**178** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 5:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

Toronto invented football now?

Canadian Rules football. Yes.

The origins of American rules football aren't as well documented but might have occurred earlier.

The_Architect · #**179** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

It's all the more painful and appalling because of that history you mention. Toronto should be beaming with pride over that team but treats the Argos like a pile of shit. The Argos must be restored to their former glory, they just must.

I agree they should be treated better, and a different stadium may be the thing to do it. I mean, look at the Als with the big owe.. they started drawing better crowds when they left it because it had no atmosphere. If BMO was expanded and the Argos played there I have no doubts they would draw better.
That and this year they had just come out of a 2 year last place performance, so many people may have been hesitant to go watch them get clobbered, that's never fun.

isaidso · #**180** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

I agree they should be treated better, and a different stadium may be the thing to do it. I mean, look at the Als with the big owe.. they started drawing better crowds when they left it because it had no atmosphere. If BMO was expanded and the Argos played there I have no doubts they would draw better.

I agree. I am hopeful.

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Originally Posted by Gerrard

Canadian Rules football. Yes.

No, the first documented north American football game was played at the University of Toronto in 1861.

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Originally Posted by Gerrard

The origins of American rules football aren't as well documented but might have occurred earlier.

Twas rugby. Football entered the United States after McGill University challenged Harvard University to a game in 1874.