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Old Posted Apr 19, 2026, 3:07 AM
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The Saint John penal colony headquarters .

The lack of balconies is going to kill them. Between that, the prices, the appearance, and the slowdown in immigration, I don't think they are going to be able to rent the non-subsidized units.

If I have a high budget for a rental, why would I live here over Fundy Quay, one of Historica's apartments, or one of the nice rental buildings in Millidgeville?

Look at this unit.

Those long hallways are a lot of wasted space. They should have put the bedrooms at the end, and the living/dining area closer to the entrance. I'm no architect, but I hate the wasted space of hallways you can't actually use for anything, except a gallery I suppose. Even the bedroom entrances have small hallways that you can't use for anything.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2026, 11:44 AM
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I genuinely wonder how this thing stacks up against the ugliest buildings currently under construction globally. It has to be up there. I mean, it's a completely uninspired faux brutalist (imagine... FAUX brutalist) box with a cheap glue-on brick fauxdium. The cheap generic white frame windows are the icing on the slop. THANKS PERCY!
I uploaded various photos of it into AI for a deep dive, and here is what it spit out

First impression (honest)
This is a very typical mid-budget developer building — not offensively bad, but clearly driven by cost efficiency over architectural ambition. It leans toward what people often call “bland-to-ugly”, and there are specific reasons why.
1) Massing & overall form
The building is basically a flat slab with minimal articulation.
No strong base–middle–top hierarchy
No setbacks, projections, or depth
Roofline is completely flat and unresolved
������ Result: it reads as bulky and monotonous, especially compared to the older, more articulated brick buildings around it.
From a distance (your second photo), it almost looks like a hotel or dorm block, not something integrated into a historic downtown.
2) Facade composition (this is where it struggles most)
Window pattern
Very rigid grid — which can be good
But here it’s too repetitive with no variation or rhythm breaks
������ It creates a “spreadsheet effect” — lots of identical squares with no focal point.
The two-tone split (red bottom + gray top)
This is a classic developer move, but here it’s not handled well:
The color/material transition feels arbitrary
No strong cornice line or architectural detail marking the change
The gray upper portion looks like fiber cement panels or EIFS
������ It reads as: “we switched materials because of budget, not design.”
3) Materials & detailing (big red flag)
The gray upper facade
Visible streaking and staining already — and the building isn’t even finished
Panel joints are visible but not celebrated (so they look accidental, not intentional)
������ This suggests:
Either cheap cladding
Or poor water management / detailing
And this is important:
If it looks weathered before completion, it will age badly.
The brick base
This is actually the strongest part
It relates somewhat to the surrounding historic buildings
But:
Window detailing is flat and shallow
Ground floor lacks richness or human-scale detail
������ It feels like a token nod to context, not a fully integrated design.
4) Relationship to surroundings (your third photo is key)
This is where the building really gets exposed.
Compared to older buildings:
Older brick structures have:
Depth (recessed windows, sills, lintels)
Variation
Craftsmanship
This building:
Flat facade
Minimal shadows
No ornament or texture
������ Result: it feels out of place and slightly cheap next to its neighbors.
Not because it’s modern — but because it lacks intentionality.
5) Proportions & scale
Height is borderline for the area — not terrible, but noticeable
The uniform window sizing across all floors makes it feel institutional
������ That’s why people subconsciously read it as:
Dorm
Budget hotel
Or “generic apartment block”
6) Why people might call it “ugly”
Not because it’s bold or controversial — but because:
It’s visually monotonous
Materials look cheap and already aging poorly
No strong architectural identity
Weak relationship to its surroundings
Feels value-engineered to the bone
������ In other words:
It’s not ugly in an expressive way — it’s ugly in a “nothing was fully thought through” way.
7) To be fair (what it does okay)
Window alignment is consistent (no chaos)
Brick base at least محاولة to relate to context
Massing is simple (not awkwardly complex)
This keeps it from being a total disaster — just… underwhelming.
Final verdict
Design quality: 4.5 / 10
Longevity (visual aging): probably poor
Effort level: clearly budget-driven
������ The core issue:
It’s not trying to be great architecture — it’s trying to be efficient real estate

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Old Posted Apr 19, 2026, 2:23 PM
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I uploaded various photos of it into AI for a deep dive, and here is what it spit out

First impression (honest)
This is a very typical mid-budget developer building — not offensively bad, but clearly driven by cost efficiency over architectural ambition. It leans toward what people often call “bland-to-ugly”, and there are specific reasons why.
1) Massing & overall form
The building is basically a flat slab with minimal articulation.
No strong base–middle–top hierarchy
No setbacks, projections, or depth
Roofline is completely flat and unresolved
������ Result: it reads as bulky and monotonous, especially compared to the older, more articulated brick buildings around it.
From a distance (your second photo), it almost looks like a hotel or dorm block, not something integrated into a historic downtown.
2) Facade composition (this is where it struggles most)
Window pattern
Very rigid grid — which can be good
But here it’s too repetitive with no variation or rhythm breaks
������ It creates a “spreadsheet effect” — lots of identical squares with no focal point.
The two-tone split (red bottom + gray top)
This is a classic developer move, but here it’s not handled well:
The color/material transition feels arbitrary
No strong cornice line or architectural detail marking the change
The gray upper portion looks like fiber cement panels or EIFS
������ It reads as: “we switched materials because of budget, not design.”
3) Materials & detailing (big red flag)
The gray upper facade
Visible streaking and staining already — and the building isn’t even finished
Panel joints are visible but not celebrated (so they look accidental, not intentional)
������ This suggests:
Either cheap cladding
Or poor water management / detailing
And this is important:
If it looks weathered before completion, it will age badly.
The brick base
This is actually the strongest part
It relates somewhat to the surrounding historic buildings
But:
Window detailing is flat and shallow
Ground floor lacks richness or human-scale detail
������ It feels like a token nod to context, not a fully integrated design.
4) Relationship to surroundings (your third photo is key)
This is where the building really gets exposed.
Compared to older buildings:
Older brick structures have:
Depth (recessed windows, sills, lintels)
Variation
Craftsmanship
This building:
Flat facade
Minimal shadows
No ornament or texture
������ Result: it feels out of place and slightly cheap next to its neighbors.
Not because it’s modern — but because it lacks intentionality.
5) Proportions & scale
Height is borderline for the area — not terrible, but noticeable
The uniform window sizing across all floors makes it feel institutional
������ That’s why people subconsciously read it as:
Dorm
Budget hotel
Or “generic apartment block”
6) Why people might call it “ugly”
Not because it’s bold or controversial — but because:
It’s visually monotonous
Materials look cheap and already aging poorly
No strong architectural identity
Weak relationship to its surroundings
Feels value-engineered to the bone
������ In other words:
It’s not ugly in an expressive way — it’s ugly in a “nothing was fully thought through” way.
7) To be fair (what it does okay)
Window alignment is consistent (no chaos)
Brick base at least محاولة to relate to context
Massing is simple (not awkwardly complex)
This keeps it from being a total disaster — just… underwhelming.
Final verdict
Design quality: 4.5 / 10
Longevity (visual aging): probably poor
Effort level: clearly budget-driven
������ The core issue:
It’s not trying to be great architecture — it’s trying to be efficient real estate
Interesting you thought to do that. I think the AI take is fair, balanced and a reasonable summation.
The fact it picked up on the poor construction quality and that it is already starting to deteriorate just from the photos is telling.

Did you use Google or ChatGTP?
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2026, 2:36 PM
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Interesting you thought to do that. I think the AI take is fair, balanced and a reasonable summation.
The fact it picked up on the poor construction quality and that it is already starting to deteriorate just from the photos is telling.

Did you use Google or ChatGTP?
ChatGPT
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2026, 6:25 PM
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Anyone know what’s being built to the right of Princess Auto at East Point?
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 2:50 AM
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Nah, this one was ugly in renderings too. One of the very early renderings was decent but I suspect cost realities hit this particular developer and the "cheapening" began.
Ouch. Yeah, that'd track.

Also, that 'FAUX BRUTALIST' remark by NewIreland has to be one of the worst design burns I've ever read

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Oh, wow, for a contemporary build that is very nice. I love the very clear cornice and pillar effect, the central tower and the intentful panel colours. Feels stately, and leagues above other grey apartment bricks.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 2:36 PM
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Some kind of overpass-over-rail render from Ogden's facebook page: Simm's concept? https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10162084838030855&set=a.86389210854
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 2:48 PM
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Anyone know what’s being built to the right of Princess Auto at East Point?
Lots of chatter that apparently Swiss Chalet is moving to there.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 3:22 PM
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Some kind of overpass-over-rail render from Ogden's facebook page: Simm's concept? https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10162084838030855&set=a.86389210854
I think Barry has posted that one before. No mention of Simms Corner or the port funding in Susan's latest visit to see Mark. Although apparently, an Alberta politician is visiting Saint John LNG. The visit instead seemed to be focused on healthcare and the mine.

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Lots of chatter that apparently Swiss Chalet is moving to there.
Wasn't that franchise taken over by corporate due to issues? New franchisee, potentially, who also wants a new location? How old is that existing building now?
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 3:32 PM
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Some kind of overpass-over-rail render from Ogden's facebook page: Simm's concept? https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10162084838030855&set=a.86389210854
At a glance it doesn't look like Simms Corner because the render has multiple branching lines and the rail at Simms is single-track.

Who knows with fantasy renders, though.

[Edit]: Maybe it's a concept for overpass replacement associated with the causeway elevation project? The rail looks somewhat consistent with the section passed over at the Bayside Drive end.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 6:57 PM
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‘It’s a sign of momentum’: Construction cranes on the rise in Saint John

https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/new-brun...uction-cranes-on-the-rise-in-saint-john/
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2026, 9:11 PM
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Another full floor going up ?

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Old Posted Apr 22, 2026, 9:23 PM
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I just realized that’s the decorative piece
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2026, 9:39 PM
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Yes, looks like the rooftop top corner pieces. The walls look as though they are for the penthouses.
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that posting was a joke, for those who get it from the original renderings
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I think Barry has posted that one before. No mention of Simms Corner or the port funding in Susan's latest visit to see Mark. Although apparently, an Alberta politician is visiting Saint John LNG. The visit instead seemed to be focused on healthcare and the mine.



Wasn't that franchise taken over by corporate due to issues? New franchisee, potentially, who also wants a new location? How old is that existing building now?
I think the Swiss Chalet building opened sometime between September 1 and October 11, 2002. I'll get in contact with them to see if they can tell me the exact date.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2026, 11:52 AM
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I think the Swiss Chalet building opened sometime between September 1 and October 11, 2002. I'll get in contact with them to see if they can tell me the exact date.
Construction started in late 2001 and appears to have been opened late spring or summer 2002 judging by the TJ archives - can't find an exact date.

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Old Posted Apr 23, 2026, 8:50 PM
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Kinda looks ok from this angle

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Old Posted Apr 24, 2026, 10:58 AM
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Gawd! The upside down ottoman has come to pass.
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