The Great Canadian Skyline Thread! II - Page 86

isaidso · #**1701** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Not much we can do about the Blue-Glass, Green-Glass thing. Most of the world beating projects are that colour..

We can't do much about that? What are you talking about? I don't remember any law stating that we are legally bound to encase our buildings in this colour glass because that's what some other buildings overseas have done. That's just absurd. Neither are Torontonians zombies who mindlessly copy others. We have every design option in the world available to us.

Those buildings you mentioned aren't green or blue glass and besides, why would we want a sea of mediocre buildings covered from base to tip in the exact same thing? We got through a century of skyscraper construction without enveloping buildings in green or blue glass. You make it sound like that's the only material humans have so far discovered.

Scotia Plaza doesn't have a stitch of blue or green glass in it and its far more sophisticated and beautiful than any of these buildings. Same goes for TD Centre.

isaidso · #**1702** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Are you sure about that?

http://ibrahimxalshamsi.deviantart.com/art/burj-khalifa-windows-Abstract-150156073
This looks to be the exact same colour combo as the 3 Waterclub condos in the right of the photo sissguy is complaining about.

Toronto is the new Dubai!

Lol!

As nice as the facade in the first photo is, I wouldn't want a sea of it. You end up with a monotonous swath. The Toronto building you posted..... JUST YUCK YUCK YUCK! It looks like something Miami or Gold Coast would put up. This is Canada's alpha city, not some laid back beach resort.

Btw, if you can't tell the difference in quality between those 2 buildings there's little point in going further.

caltrane74 · #**1703** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:23 AM**

isaidso, nobody is stopping you from showing these developers who's boss. Please feel free to use all the profits from your Private Equity Firm, Bane Capital to build Scotiaplaza 2.

I will take constant photo updates. I promise.

isaidso · #**1704** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

You mean the buildings going up in Southcore don't compare with some of the best new buildings in the world?

Caltrane was arguing that the buildings south of the rail tracks weren't mediocre. To determine whether they are one needs to compare them to the best in class. The buildings in Southcore are many many notches below them so they're quite obviously mediocre just like the other forum member suggested.

If you want to nuke everything that's mediocre that's your prerogative, not mine.

isaidso · #**1705** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

isaidso, nobody is stopping you from showing these developers who's boss. Please feel free to use all the profits from your Private Equity Firm, Bane Capital to build Scotiaplaza 2.

So one needs $800 million in net worth to point out to you that Infinity I & II are mediocre? Everyone on SSP better keep their mouths shut I guess. These projects are mediocre and you don't need to be ultra rich to figure that out.

caltrane74 · #**1706** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Caltrane was arguing that the buildings south of the rail tracks weren't mediocre. To determine whether they are one clearly needs to compare them to the best in class. The buildings in Southcore are many many notches below them so they're quite obviously mediocre just like the other forum member suggested.

This is mediocre?

lol!

http://www.urbantoronto.ca/news/2010/10/%C3%AFce-condominiums-york-centre-begins

http://www.corporatemeetingsandevents.ca/GroundbreakingCeremonyforDeltaToronto.aspx

caltrane74 · #**1707** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

So one needs $800 million in net worth to point out to you that Infinity is mediocre? Everyone on SSP better keep their mouth shut I guess.

I didn't tell you to be quiet.

If you don't have the cash to finance the building on your own, please draw up the renderings and submit them to the developer. To ensure they get build please value engineer so that the maximum profit is realized.

Can you do that isaidso? If you can, you'll be a very rich man, please share some of the profit with me, since I was the one that gave you the idea.

isaidso · #**1708** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

I didn't tell you to be quiet.

You quite clearly suggested that if I don't have the money to build a Scotia Plaza 2 myself, I should keep my opinions to myself. So you did tell me to shut up.

kw5150 · #**1709** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

Wow, great shot of the Bay St. canyon! From Burano I'm guessing?

This is the Canadian metropolis..

Toronto has hardly any all- glass buildings. It is probably time they built a few and they have.

I cant really judge the final product of this all-glass area, because the overall area is incomplete. Are the streetscapes and lower floors of the buildings going to be nice? Stone? Concrete? Brick? Im guessing yes.

Glass is quite amazing if you live in a condo. Its actually bloody amazing.

In a condo, you can have quite a bit of privacy even though you are in a transparent box. You simply have nothing but view from these units, but stacked vertically, you arent looking into your neighbors yard, you are looking out to an amazing waterfront. People pay money to get into towers for their amazing views. These condos are alomost better. All glass can be amazing.

Vancouver is absolutely crazy at night. You can see people in every window up to something. Staring is creepy, so I dont do it (for that long) but you can literally feel action all around you and it can be a neat feeling, especially on a friday or saturday night with people enjoying their patios. (That said, Vancouver has a lot of mixed cladding on their condos and so do other cities.)

But.........Maybe glass is a complete fail (in a sustainable sense) and we will have to reclad all of these buildings (in non-desirable climates) in the next 20 years? Is that what people are mostly struggling with? I am.

While amazing to look at and live in, all-glass (the way it is currently configured in some examples) in developmental phase in the evolution of Canadian Architecture? Maybe these glass towers are here to stay? What will the next phase look like? I find the evolution of Architecture fascinating, and also just as fascinating, how important it is to so many people.

You can definitely stir up an angry mob with architecture!

kw5150 · #**1710** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

I didn't tell you to be quiet.

If you don't have the cash to finance the building on your own, please draw up the renderings and submit them to the developer. To ensure they get build please value engineer so that the maximum profit is realized.

Can you do that isaidso? If you can, you'll be a very rich man, please share some of the profit with me, since I was the one that gave you the idea.

here I will do it.

shut up

kw5150 · #**1711** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

You quite clearly suggested that if I don't have the money to build a Scotia Plaza 2 myself, I should keep my opinions to myself. So you did tell me to shut up.

shut up instigator

now hug and make up. fuc%

kw5150 · #**1712** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 2:59 AM**

Nice!

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

This is mediocre?

lol!

http://www.urbantoronto.ca/news/2010/10/%C3%AFce-condominiums-york-centre-begins

http://www.corporatemeetingsandevents.ca/GroundbreakingCeremonyforDeltaToronto.aspx

kw5150 · #**1713** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 3:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Caltrane was arguing that the buildings south of the rail tracks weren't mediocre. To determine whether they are one needs to compare them to the best in class. The buildings in Southcore are many many notches below them so they're quite obviously mediocre just like the other forum member suggested.

If you want to nuke everything that's mediocre that's your prerogative, not mine.

Canadian skylines have a very democratic appeal to them. There simply aren't extra-huge concentrations of money in a handful of peoples' pockets in this country. It is spread evenly and sometimes this does produce more simple designs. The beauty can be in the details. Canada is making a name for itself with its designs (across all disciplines) in the last few centuries. So are other countries. I think the fact that we have a simpler skylines is something we should be proud of. We cant all afford the dream of some people!

Who gives a shi% Our cities are satisfactory.

I still enjoy them.

kw5150 · #**1714** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 3:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

As nice as the Petronas facade is, I wouldn't want a sea of it. You end up with a monotonous swath. The Toronto building you posted..... JUST YUCK YUCK YUCK!

You may be onto something. Maybe current glass architecture is not sustainable in some climates?

lucci · #**1715** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 3:10 AM**

doing his thing by ronnie.yip, on Flickr

davidivivid · #**1716** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 3:24 AM**

I know this view has been photographed to death but I still dig it!!

Picture by Mathieu Dupuis, who has some amazing shots on his page: (http://www.facebook.com/MathieuDupuisPhoto)

One from Ville de Saguenay by the same photographer.

isaidso · #**1717** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 3:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

This is mediocre?

lol!

ICE isn't built yet and I clearly said it was a good project so stop reaching at straws. What's built so far is mediocre and that's what is at issue. I don't see a single best in class building here. It's also all green/blue glass. Toronto's trump card is its variety in the built form. This doesn't cut it. It's boring, banal, and sterile. The CN Tower and red brick building with Leons inside are the only structures that are a departure from it.

isaidso · #**1718** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 3:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by kw5150

Canadian skylines have a very democratic appeal to them. There simply aren't extra-huge concentrations of money in a handful of peoples' pockets in this country. It is spread evenly and sometimes this does produce more simple designs. The beauty can be in the details. Canada is making a name for itself with its designs (across all disciplines) in the last few centuries. So are other countries. I think the fact that we have a simpler skylines is something we should be proud of. We cant all afford the dream of some people!

Who gives a shi% Our cities are satisfactory.

I still enjoy them.

I enjoy our cities too, but we don't need high end buildings to achieve diversity in the built form or good design.

davidivivid · #**1719** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 4:22 AM**

Image still from a web publicity: http://www.novafilm.ca/projet/bell-fibe-concours-vip/

agrant · #**1720** Posted **Jul 17, 2012, 4:52 AM**

There's just not enough Toronto stuff in this thread!