The Big Atlantic Canada Statistics Thread

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by Nashe

I'll admit that I've always wonder how one measures "productivity"... in simplest terms it sounds like "number of widgets per $ input" but in a service-heavy industry, I'm not sure how that translates. How does one calculate that construction has declining productivity? It costs more $ and people to build the same size of building? Are the monetary inputs adjusted for inflation?

Some form of measurement involving man hours vs value of what is created maybe?

Appears to have lots of variables and ways of measuring....

https://fluix.io/blog/construction-productivity

[Nashe]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Some form of measurement involving man hours maybe?

If so, I can see how a lot of factors could create a downward force on this measurement over time that would make the tracking of the stat almost meaningless:

- Increased (and improved) standards
- Inclusion of specialized infrastructure (networks, HVAC, etc.)
- Tradesperson availability / certification (more certs required, poor availability of certified tradespeople)
- General inflation

IMHO it'd be hard to measure the "productivity loss" between the construction of a 1960's 20-storey apartment building and a current one, even with the value of money changing.

[sailor734]

My original post was prompted by my feeling that construction seems to move very slowly around here. Do you think there is any truth to that?

[Pugsley]

What I find fascinating is that if you look at the City of Saint John proper compared to the broader CMA (Rothesay/Quispamsis, etc.), the city itself represents 87% of the total CMA population growth. This is a significant shift from days past when the city proper was "hollowing out" to the suburbs.

[q12]

Just some fun data with CMAs:

1. Toronto Extended Golden Horseshoe (including Hamilton and KW, London etc.) 11,014,528
2. Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec City, Trois Rivieres, Sherbrooke Extended 7,592,571
3. Vancouver, Victoria, Abbotsford, Kelowna, Kamloops, Chilliwack, Nanaimo Extended 3,964,937
4. Calgary Edmonton Red Deer Extended 3,523,254
5. Halifax Moncton Fredericton Saint John Extended 982,740
6. Winnipeg 941,641
7. Saskatoon Regina Extended 649,368

The combined CMAs of Halifax, Moncton, Saint John and Fredericton are likely to hit 1,000,000 sometime in 2025!

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by q12

The combined CMAs of Halifax, Moncton, Saint John and Fredericton are likely to hit 1,000,000 sometime in 2025!

So much for the Maritimes being full of rural rubes and bumpkins, sitting on the dock after fishing season waiting for their pogey cheques.

[MonctonRad]

Moncton again one of Canada's fastest growing regions, StatsCan estimates
Metro region only behind Calgary for population growth rate
Shane Magee · CBC News · Posted: Jan 17, 2025 6:00 AM AST | Last Updated: 5 hours ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/population-nb-moncton-statistics-canada-1.7432845

The Moncton region had the second-highest population growth rate of all metro areas across the country, estimates released by Statistics Canada on Thursday show.

The metro area, which includes Dieppe, Riverview and surrounding rural areas, grew 5.1 per cent between July 1, 2023, and July 1, 2024.

Only the Calgary metro area grew faster, at 5.8 per cent, Statistics Canada reported. Moncton outpaced cities like Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton and the Kitchener–Cambridge–Waterloo area. It was also ahead of the national average of three per cent.

The region's population grew from 178,599 to 188,036. Of that increase, 7,106 people were immigrants.

The City of Moncton, with the largest population in the province, grew from 91,145 to 97,523, an increase of seven per cent.

Saint John grew from 75,263 to 78,165, remaining the province's second-largest city. Fredericton grew from 69,579 to 72,700.

Dieppe, the fourth largest municipality, grew from 32,294 to 34,247. Riverview, the fifth largest, increased from 21,764 to 22,227.

Greater Moncton has been at or near the top of the CMA growth charts now for at least the last decade. This can no longer be considered a fluke. People will have to start getting used to the idea that greater Moncton is a natural growth area for the province and for the country, and start planning accordingly. This will include preparing the necessary infrastructure to support this population growth, including school and hospital construction and expansion. I personally think it is high time that the province consider a Moncton campus of UNB to improve university accessibility for anglophone Monctonians.

Moncton is within 12-18 months of breaking the 200,000 population barrier. This will be an important milestone. Executives looking at where in the country their companies should expand to depend heavily on the CMA data provided by Statistics Canada. The more a community stands out in these statistical analyses, the more likely it is that they will be considered for future investment. There are fewer than 25 cities in the country with more than 200,000 people. This will place Moncton in a select group of communities nationwide.

[jonny golden]

I personally think it is high time that the province consider a Moncton campus of UNB to improve university accessibility for anglophone Monctonians.

I totally agree. It would be a great enhancement for downtown Moncton. I don't know what it would take, but there must be some kind of collaboration that could happen to get the ball rolling.

[bingun]

Originally Posted by Pugsley

What I find fascinating is that if you look at the City of Saint John proper compared to the broader CMA (Rothesay/Quispamsis, etc.), the city itself represents 87% of the total CMA population growth. This is a significant shift from days past when the city proper was "hollowing out" to the suburbs.

I also noticed this when reviewing the figures in detail.

The population of Rothesay increased by just 33, while Grand Bay and Hampton had decreases in population by 31 and 71, respectively.

However, Quispamsis is still chugging along with a stable growth of 282.

[Pugsley]

Originally Posted by bingun

I also noticed this when reviewing the figures in detail.

The population of Rothesay increased by just 33, while Grand Bay and Hampton had decreases in population by 31 and 71, respectively.

However, Quispamsis is still chugging along with a stable growth of 282.

It would be really interesting to get stats on WHERE in Saint John the growth is occurring. My theory is that it is primarily in the Uptown/Peninsula, as national trends show people want to live in unique urban environments - which Saint John certainly has. Given the density and walkability of Uptown, I would hope that developers take notice and start investing even more in this area as it certainly checks all the boxes for what people are looking for.

[sailor734]

IDK. Seems like a lot of the bigger new developments either recently opened or under construction are other than in Uptown. Lots of units added to Millidgeville, East and the Westside.

[bingun]

Uptown has had a fair share, and I think the upcoming developments will continue this. However, I think the Milledgeville area may be in the lead with all the apartment buildings that have finished recently. I don't think West or East compare to that.

[adamuptownsj]

AFAIK Saint John's growth is HEAVILY skewed to Milledgeville.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

So much for the Maritimes being full of rural rubes and bumpkins, sitting on the dock after fishing season waiting for their pogey cheques.

I think the combination of tourism advertising and difference in the scale of the provinces and settlement patterns does still give people a bit of a false sense of the region.

For example here in Western Canada people often think of their province as being their region. A number of cities within provinces that are considered twins (like Calgary and Edmonton) are farther apart than Moncton is from Halifax. Saskatchewan is more comparable to all of the Maritimes than just, say, NB. NB is more densely populated than the southern part of SK. PEI is more like a small piece of Southern Ontario outside the GTA than the Prairies, with relatively dense farmland and small towns.

It is borderline heresy but I think the mid-sized Canadian cities (including some "big six") are not really that different from Halifax and are arguably more like Halifax than the GTA in some significant ways. Winnipeg for example doesn't seem to be far ahead in urbanism, transit, flights, universities, retail, etc.

[MonctonRad]

CMA/CA Population Estimates July 1st, 2024

1) - Halifax NS (CMA), - 530,167
2) - St. John's, NL (CMA) - 239,316
3) - Moncton, NB (CMA) - 188,036
4) - Saint John, NB (CMA) - 142,433
5) - Fredericton, NB (CMA) - 122,500
6) - Sydney (CBRM), NS (CA) - 112,699
7) - Charlottetown, PE (CA) - 93,877
8) - Truro, NS (CA) - 50,355
9) - New Glasgow, NS (CA) - 36,316
10) - Bathurst, NB (CA) - 33,366
11) - Corner Brook, NL (CA) - 31,204
12) - Miramichi, NB (CA) - 30,098
13) - Kentville, NS (CA) - 29,341
14) - Edmundston, NB (CA) - 24,275
15) - Summerside, PE (CA) - 20,389
16) - Grand Falls, NL (CA) - 14,546
17) - Gander, NL (CA) - 14,296
18) - Campbelton, NB (CA) - 12,435

[bingun]

Stats Canada's latest population projections were released today, including provincial populations.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250121/dq250121c-eng.htm

[new kid in town]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

CMA/CA Population Estimates July 1st, 2024

1) - Halifax NS (CMA), - 530,167
2) - St. John's, NL (CMA) - 239,316
3) - Moncton, NB (CMA) - 188,036
4) - Saint John, NB (CMA) - 142,433
5) - Fredericton, NB (CMA) - 122,500

So when is Moncton getting its own sub-forum? At 200k?

[Nashe]

Originally Posted by new kid in town

So when is Moncton getting its own sub-forum? At 200k?

Seems like a decent milestone, given St. John's and Halifax being over that line.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Nashe

Seems like a decent milestone, given St. John's and Halifax being over that line.

This is a great idea. Moncton deserves it. Moncton getting to 300k will help SJ and Fredericton get to 200 and 250k quicker.

The Province should be looking at amalgamating all three CMA’s into three regional municipalities.

[KnoxfordGuy]

CMAs can't merge.