Amazon HQ2 bid

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by AlwaysMoving

Norfolk Southern needs the deal booked in the 3rd qtr.

btw, I do think Bezos making big donations to charity is part of a broader campaign to improve their image.

Help me understand why NFS needs the deal booked in Q3? Just last quarter they booked $2.9 Billion in revenue and $710 Million in profit and their rev y-o-y increased 46%. A one time land sale will have absolutely zero effect on their stock price when the company has a market cap of $50.2 Billion...that's Billion with a B - not a M.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news...veals-increase-in-q2-earnings-1027398540

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NSC/

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Maybe CIM/CoA are using Norfolk Southern as the public face for these incentives to mask that they are really intended for Amazon

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Maybe CIM/CoA are using Norfolk Southern as the public face for these incentives to mask that they are really intended for Amazon

[Libertarian]

The downside would be if somehow things get screwed up and (1) NS sells the land but makes no HQ move to ATL, (2) the CIM bunch makes a minimal build-out over 20 years and meanwhile take the proceeds out of the local economy and back to LA, (3) KLB is left holding the bag having transferred hundreds of millions of TAD property tax benefits to the Khazars supposed to have been used for affordable housing. Maybe they can spin it as a win-win, like a Maynard Jackson bond deal.

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Maybe CIM/CoA are using Norfolk Southern as the public face for these incentives to mask that they are really intended for Amazon

Here's what the AJC reported regarding NS' HQ relocation:

“The land sale is considered critical to Gulch redevelopment as well as for Norfolk Southern to proceed with its relocation plans."

So what I'm getting at, is NS' land sale conditional to the passage of the incentive package? If not, and if what you say is the case, then as I said earlier, KLB basically lied.

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

The downside would be if somehow things get screwed up and (1) NS sells the land but makes no HQ move to ATL, (2) the CIM bunch makes a minimal build-out over 20 years and meanwhile take the proceeds out of the local economy and back to LA, (3) KLB is left holding the bag having transferred hundreds of millions of TAD property tax benefits to the Khazars supposed to have been used for affordable housing. Maybe they can spin it as a win-win, like a Maynard Jackson bond deal.

There's also #4 - Amazon selects another site / city for its HQ2

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

Here's what the AJC reported regarding NS' HQ relocation:

“The land sale is considered critical to Gulch redevelopment as well as for Norfolk Southern to proceed with its relocation plans."

So what I'm getting at, is NS' land sale conditional to the passage of the incentive package? If not, and what you say is the case, then as I said earlier, KLB basically lied.

No shit sherlock - NFS own 15+ acres in the Gulch. Off course it is critical for CIM Group or HQ2 to close the deal with them to get the deal done.

However let's be honest S-17 - that is not you were saying before. You were saying the land deal and what KLB (I still like it) said to City Council was implying NFS HQ relo to ATL is what this is all about.

Go sell crazy somewhere else because we are all stocked here S-17!

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

There's also #4 - Amazon selects another site / city for its HQ2

S-17 Imma need you to flip to page 4 of the Hurricane Drinking Guide where it discusses alcohol consumption and the internets.

Do you honestly believe Amazon would get to bottom of the 9th inning and pull the rug from us? Did you not see the heard of lawyers the CoA and CIM Group has on this deal at the City Council Meeting. Come on.

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

No shit sherlock - NFS own 15+ acres in the Gulch. Off course it is critical for CIM Group or HQ2 to close the deal with them to get the deal done.

However let's be honest S-17 - that is not you were saying before. You were saying the land deal and what KLB (I still like it) said to City Council was implying NFS HQ relo to ATL is what this is all about.

Go sell crazy somewhere else because we are all stocked here S-17!

Did you not actually read my posts? Let's rewind and take things slow.

I quoted a report from the AJC that stated NS relocating their headquarters is contigent upon the land sale going through.

That's exactly what I said earlier (this was all related to NS relocating their HQ), but you and another poster argued the land sale had nothing to do with the relocation of their HQ.

So moving beyond that, the question I then asked is if NS' HQ relocation is contingent upon the land sale, is the land sale contingent upon the incentives passing? If so, then connecting the dots, they are in fact the Fortune 500 company rushing to get the incentives passed.

You and another poster again claimed that wasn't the case. And if not, that means KLB lied.

[jct3]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Do you honestly believe Amazon would get to bottom of the 9th inning and pull the rug from us?

I'm not sure they're playing the game with us. I agree with other posters who have suggested it's quite possible they're using the hype over HQ2 to ram through something that might not pass otherwise, at least not in current form.

You have said the Stitch (or at least a smaller park) is related, but that you cannot give more details... why not? You're not a journalist; your livelihood won't be impacted if you're wrong. This is just a bunch of people interested in development on some Internet forum.

[AlwaysMoving]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Sweet God in Heaven. I take the time to research and post facts and videos here and either you (I am not just pointing a finger at just AlwaysDrinkin' either) don't read/watch or you are too overwhelmed in the face of a lot of information. Which is it?

You need to stop drinking the bong water. I've already posted facts that refute all of your smoking guns.

All the mayor said was that holding the deal up COULD impact a potential Fortune 500 relo. I'm sure Norfolk Southern is considering a relo to Atlanta, so she told the truth.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by jct3

I'm not sure they're playing the game with us. I agree with other posters who have suggested it's quite possible they're using the hype over HQ2 to ram through something that might not pass otherwise, at least not in current form.

You have said the Stitch (or at least a smaller park) is related, but that you cannot give more details... why not? You're not a journalist; your livelihood won't be impacted if you're wrong. This is just a bunch of people interested in development on some Internet forum.

The casino talk, the Stitch, the mini-Stitch, 675 West Peachtree, Carl Icahn, 6 major office proposals in Midtown, MARTA expansion, all of the new parks, CoA $1 Billion commitment for affordable housing...etc. all of these things are connected to HQ2. Surely you don't need me to paint that picture.

The only additional details I could give you (that you would care about) is to name who told me and that would most certainly impact their livelihood. Imma @$$hole, but not that big of an @$$hole.

I always try and share as much as I can share on here without crossing the line.

[AlwaysMoving]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Do you honestly believe Amazon would get to bottom of the 9th inning and pull the rug from us?

What makes you think we're in the 9th inning with Amazon?

A LOI for 1 million sqft of office space? They've done this in multiple cities.

CIM moving forward with the gulch? They've stated it's a go with or with out Amazon.

The CoA incentives? They spell out what CIM gets if there is no Amazon.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by AlwaysMoving

You need to stop drinking the bong water.

How dare you - I drink bong water for medicinal reasons.

Originally Posted by AlwaysMoving

All the mayor said was that holding the deal up COULD impact a potential Fortune 500 relo. I'm sure Norfolk Southern is considering a relo to Atlanta, so she told the truth.

I will let the good people on here decide who has had to much bong water because I think it is completely obvious what you wrote below is materially different to what you are selling above.

Thanks for finally watching the video of KLB to the City Council.

Originally Posted by AlwaysMoving

Also it tells us all of the stuff in front of city council is about closing the land deal and nothing else.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by AlwaysMoving

What makes you think we're in the 9th inning with Amazon?

A LOI for 1 million sqft of office space? They've done this in multiple cities.

CIM moving forward with the gulch? They've stated it's a go with or with out Amazon.

The CoA incentives? They spell out what CIM gets if there is no Amazon.

Ahhh - it has been exactly 372 days since Amazon announced HQ2.

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=09&d1=7&y1=2017&m2=09&d2=14&y2=2018

And 108 days until Jeff Bezos committed Amazon would make a decision - per Bezos keynote speech yesterday.

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=9&d1=14&y1=2018&m2=12&d2=31&y2=2018

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by AlwaysMoving

You need to stop drinking the bong water. I've already posted facts that refute all of your smoking guns.

All the mayor said was that holding the deal up COULD impact a potential Fortune 500 relo. I'm sure Norfolk Southern is considering a relo to Atlanta, so she told the truth.

And what the mayor said does go along with what the AJC reported as far as the HQ relocation being contigent upon the land sale.

Thus, again, it's all related and proves that Norfolk Southern is in fact the Fortune 500 company rushing to get the incentives through.

[AlwaysMoving]

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

And what the mayor said does go along with what the AJC reported as far as the HQ relocation being contigent upon the land sale.

Thus, again, it's all related and proves that Norfolk Southern is in fact the Fortune 500 company rushing to get the incentives through.

Occam's razor

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by AlwaysMoving

Occam's razor

To be clear, are you saying the simpler explanation why the Governor sent KLB to plead to the City Council last Tuesday to sign the Agreement or pass without approval on an Agreement which includes Billions in incentives is because Governor Deal and Mayor KLM are laser focused on NFS bringing their HQ and 1400 jobs to ATL?

I lost at least 10 IQ points writing that.

Let's take a walk down memory lane to 2009. The year NCR (Fortune 500 company) moved their HQ and 3,000+ jobs to Georgia. Take a peeky in the link below and see how much in incentives GA offered NCR. I'll give you a hint....the $ figure begins with a M - not a B.

https://money.cnn.com/2009/06/02/news/companies/ncr_corporation_headquarters/

[Atlanta3000]

#oppositeofoccamsrazor

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

To be clear, are you saying the simpler explanation why the Governor sent KLB to plead to the City Council last Tuesday to sign the Agreement or pass without approval on an Agreement which includes Billions in incentives is because Governor Deal and Mayor KLM are laser focused on NFS bringing their HQ and 1400 jobs to ATL?

I lost at least 10 IQ points writing that.

Again, as several others have stated, it's not a stretch to assume they're hyping up the Norfolk Southern HQ relocation as leverage to ram through HQ2 incentives that might not pass otherwise, and it's also not a stretch to assume they're doing this *without* Amazon having actually selected Atlanta.