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Old Posted Nov 14, 2023, 9:19 PM
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Are you seeing Seasons on City Creek? The one that's gray on the top floor and beige on lower floors. It's an older complex and that is unfortunately the finished product.
Yes, that's the one. Thanks
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 6:34 AM
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Woopee. Three of the 47 new projects mentioned here in the last six months are being built! Some advice: talk to a developer or a banker. Hell talk to any lying booster/broker. Only acquisitions being done are covered land plays or distressed. Meaning places to park money that produce income or cover the nut. Everywhere. 50% of CMBS balloon in the next 18 months at double the rates of 18 months ago. This is the perfect inverse of 2008. Commercial defaults lead residential instead of vice versa.

It's a cycle. The sky won't fall, it's just much needed reset. Just the stupid fat is being trimmed. Land values quadrupled in 3 years. It was dumb and this is very very good.
I agree about the commercial market. I'm not sure about residential. Unlike in 2007 when people were buying homes with no money down and ARMs, home owners are sitting on allot of equity now and most locked in very low interest rates. They are not going to sell unless they have to. A major recession could force people to sell and that could still happen, but that's in no way a forgone conclusion.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 2:58 PM
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While residential and commercial could be down somewhat there's a probable silver lining in the market for real estate along Salt Lake City's Metro Wasatch Front. While the Wasatch Front isn't perfect it's still one of the most likely in-migration destinations for specific demographics. For example, costs of living along the West Coast are still much higher in the bigger cities like L.A., San Fran., and Seattle. Utah is reported to be one of a handful of markets where companies and a percentage of their workforce continue to expand and or relocate.

California will continue to provide a decent dose of working-class renters, upper middle class, singles with excellent skills, and wealthy empty nesters to the Wasatch market. These days many are not tethered to a specific job or company location, which defines many Californians who own their homes and or properties and are often still able to sell. There are always many multinational corporations or millions of wealthy international immigrants who still invest in real estate or relocation, thinking of California as the panacea to their problematic societies, turbulent regions, and governments.

One of the reasons housing is so expensive in California is its comparative attractiveness to wealthy foreign buyers. The more in turmoil the world, the more California will be one of the top destinations for the international wealthy who want to invest in real estate or simply relocate. For a few decades now California Natives/American citizens relocating have had to deal with wealthy international competition who pay ridiculous sums for property. This has made the California dream unaffordable for all but the most wealthy of native Californians. Long-time California transplants and natives can't afford California any longer. And even if they can, many homeowners for a multitude of negative reasons that continue to grow and pile up have soured quite a bit on the California Dream. If they can sell their homes and higher cost of living to a wealthy Asian, European, Latin American, etc they will sell for a perceived lower cost and higher quality of life at another location. Utah is one of the preferred locations for Cali residents to move to. Typically the types to move to Utah would among a list of reasons also depend on the desire for approximate beautiful scenery and a 4 season outdoor lifestyle, which Vegas or Texas are not going to provide in as much abundance.

Some of you will find this next rant either entertaining or alarming or perhaps both. For the first time in my life, I'm thinking of purchasing a firearm (purely of course in case of an emergency defensive move). As a kid, I was pretty good with a hunting rifle. My uncles were avid hunters. However, my Dad, who had been a seriously engaged vet wouldn't allow any type of firearm in the house. Take it from somebody who has stuck it out here in Los Angeles for the past 13 years since my last move to California, there are some pretty crazy things going on in Central L.A. right now apart from the outrageous costs. Keep in mind my area is a decent area full of families, graduate students, and seriously stable people for the most part. In the last 24 to 48 hours there have been the routine police helicopters hovering over the area, I-10 has been shut down due to a major fire caused by a homeless encampment, and at three a.m. a predictable crazy, (often more than one) has walked the street in front of my house screaming and ranting nonsense as loudly as possible. Though the screamers are probably not as dangerous as the roving gangs. Oh, and another fairly routine in the middle of the night occurrence, firefighters, paramedics, and police showed up at the neighbors down the street. Car alarms routinely sound daily and throughout the night. Crazy, but this is not an unusual day in the life of an Angeleno. Doesn't matter anymore whether it's Downtown, Korea Town, Hollywood, Hancock Park, Santa Monica, or Beverly Hills. Also, and as if that wasn't enough, now in the middle of the day we have to deal with the onslaught of the truly strange outlier percentage of the millions flooding through the open southern border. Yesterday morning someone had entered the next-door neighbor's property and was rummaging through their trash. I'm sure she was probably harmless, but realize that all of our properties are surrounded by rod-iron fencing and gates. Garbage rummaging and neighborhood cleanups at the street were a weekly occurrence in the past, but nowadays it has become a daily problem with strangers entering the properties by any means. Whether the gates are locked or not, they just jump the gate. I should also mention in the past week on two occasions in nice areas I've had to dodge a shoplifter as he bolted out the doors of a grocer. Another at a different grocer just smiled and waved at us as he exited the store. They knew exactly when exit security would be on their lunch break. Even if security was there there's not much they're willing to do these days.

This is what happened yesterday afternoon and where it went outside the routine for me, and kind of tipped the scale. In the middle of the afternoon, I discovered a stranger doing all kinds of bizarre digging and rearranging of potted plants in the front yard. He seemed nice enough but I couldn't politely get rid of him. It took a couple of hours to explain why it wasn't okay without my permission first. Of course, I felt obligated to compensate him for all of his nonsensical work, which I had to completely undo. Use to be we only had to contend with unsolicited window washers at the intersections. Now they expect you to just fork over cash for whatever no matter if you gave the okay or not. This kind of unsolicited help happens often. Anyway, sorry for my rant. You can expect Californians to continue to exit the State for the foreseeable future if they are even reasonably able to swing it.

It's a new day, it's 6:30 a.m. and guess what? Police helicopters are hovering.

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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 6:22 PM
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Yardstick Demo

Did I just miss this but does anyone know what is being built in place of the Yardstick Building on 3rd south that is being demo'ed?
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 6:53 PM
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Sounds intriguing.

That building is one of kind though. It's on a different level in terms of ugliness.
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Did I just miss this but does anyone know what is being built in place of the Yardstick Building on 3rd south that is being demo'ed?
Literally a hole, unless someone wants to lease it for 60 years and build something:

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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 8:17 PM
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Sounds intriguing.

That building is one of kind though. It's on a different level in terms of ugliness.
yeah, 2 apartment high rises. So at LEAST 100 feet. Hopefully much taller
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Sounds intriguing.

That building is one of kind though. It's on a different level in terms of ugliness.
If you pretend it’s a contemporary art museum, suddenly the building isn’t so ugly.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 9:15 PM
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If you pretend it’s a contemporary art museum, suddenly the building isn’t so ugly.
That's a great way to explain it. I totally agree.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 10:23 PM
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I bet that Dart builds something like this in RiNo, Denver:https://dartinterests.com/our-work/novel-rino/

I still hope they build a 200+ ft though.
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I bet that Dart builds something like this in RiNo, Denver:https://dartinterests.com/our-work/novel-rino/

I still hope they build a 200+ ft though.
I’d gladly take this. Though when they say 2 high rises I’m thinking one at least would be taller than this.
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Is the Dakota Pacific tower still happening? Can’t seem to find it on their website anymore.
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Is the Dakota Pacific tower still happening? Can’t seem to find it on their website anymore.
I still see it on their website.

But given the current economic conditions, perhaps we can consider the "cycle" that gave us Astra/CCH/Worthington/Liberty Sky to be officially over. It doesn't seem like the other planned tower projects we were anticipating will start anytime soon, including 390 S West Temple (Soren), the theatre tower, Sundial, and West Quarter Phase II. Looking at the citizen portal, it also appears that the 380 ft tower at the RL Hotel redevelopment ("Sixth South Residential Highrise"), as well as the large medical office building next to it, have been cancelled as well.

So whenever the next tower-building period happens, we can probably look forward to some of these being revived (WQ, RL, Soren?) and some abandoned/reimagined (Sundial? Theatre tower?). The Regent Street tower was always a "next cycle" tower.

EDIT: West Quarter Block C may still be on.
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https://buildingsaltlake.com/in-his-late...failed-state-street-project-up-for-sale/

In his latest surprise, Coachman’s owner puts failed State Street project up for sale

The site of the shuttered Coachman’s restaurant at 1301 S. State in Salt Lake City’s Liberty Wells neighborhood hit the market on Monday after attempts to turn the restaurant and adjacent office building into a mixed-use development failed.
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The latest from Scott Taylor, all taken in the past week or two.





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Atlas, I agree with what you said previously that we are probably finished with the current tower building period, however I do think that we will start to see some activity in about a year due to the Fed , most likely will start cutting interest rates around mid 2024, possibly sooner.
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Speaking of West Quarter saw this on the SLC development Reddit. Supposedly construction on block C is set to start in 2024. Just noticed Atlas already posted this. Oh well, double post for hopefully a cool project in the pipeline.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DevelopmentSLC/...gn_studio_post_about_west_quarter_block/
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I still see it on their website.

But given the current economic conditions, perhaps we can consider the "cycle" that gave us Astra/CCH/Worthington/Liberty Sky to be officially over. It doesn't seem like the other planned tower projects we were anticipating will start anytime soon, including 390 S West Temple (Soren), the theatre tower, Sundial, and West Quarter Phase II. Looking at the citizen portal, it also appears that the 380 ft tower at the RL Hotel redevelopment ("Sixth South Residential Highrise"), as well as the large medical office building next to it, have been cancelled as well.

So whenever the next tower-building period happens, we can probably look forward to some of these being revived (WQ, RL, Soren?) and some abandoned/reimagined (Sundial? Theatre tower?). The Regent Street tower was always a "next cycle" tower.

EDIT: West Quarter Block C may still be on.
I would think the new hospital on 800 would be built despite market conditions. I also think the WQ offices could reimagined with not as tall housing.
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