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Old Posted Jan 16, 2008, 6:15 PM
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I hate to say this but who ever posted the changes on wikipedia are playing a game.None of that is true...

There are some developments coming.
     
     
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So what are the most current popular North American distribution routes thats being used by most Asia markets now? How will Port Alberta compare in terms of time and cost in comparison with these current routes?
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So what are the most current popular North American distribution routes thats being used by most Asia markets now? How will Port Alberta compare in terms of time and cost in comparison with these current routes?
Depends if your talking about Port Alberta with just the train and truck component or whether you care about air cargo.

If you look at Walmart as an example of a very cost efficient distribution network, you would have to weigh the time value of money for their products.

Is it better to wait longer in China to go on a ship to Prince Rupert, to then have access to an uncongested port and rail line. Or is it better to go through Vancouver, and have the rail line pass close to your Sorting centre. Plus, it might make sense to go through Prince Rupert then have the train not stop at Port Alberta but just continue to Calgary where short haul drivers can move the containers to the SC.

If something is shipped from China on a boat, put on a rail car, why would it do its last mile on air then truck? It doesn't make sense. With TVM calculations, it doesn't make sense to transfer goods to a faster mode, if it was justifiable, it would have been on that mode already from the start.

Port Alberta is more about developing non-air revenue for the EAA than anything else. Even the EAA strategic plan doesn't have YEG handling more cargo than YYC does currently until like 2040.

That doesn't make it bad, just don't get confused with the objectives of expanding the cargo apron, and everything else. YEG will continue to be a major point for transporting things to the far north, but don't expect much airside growth from the Port Alberta concept besides normal growth due to apron expansion.

YEG can grow in other ways, and is (huge PAX #s) for most things, Port Alberta is just a branding concept! (that is until Harper renames it Joe Clark International )
     
     
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Well the part that is a little confusing to me is the whole Chinese wanting to set up a warehouse here to assemble things. Thats totally different from the cargo-transport business. So do the Chinese businesses plan on hiring a whole bunch of Canadian workers to work at these warehouses? Or we talking like MAJOR warehouses here with hundreds of workers or a smaller operation? Guess we'll have to wait n see all the details
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I hate to say this but who ever posted the changes on wikipedia are playing a game.None of that is true...

There are some developments coming.
Can you say approximately when we can expect an announcement?
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Seeing how they specifically mentioned China and Walmart as users of Port Alberta, heres an interesting article I found regarding China and its exports for Walmart:

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/walmart/walmart_5.cfm

Some tidbits from the article:

"Wal-Mart is the single largest importer of foreign-produced goods in the United States, and the majority of its private-label clothing is manufactured in at least 48 countries around the world—and almost none in the United States.

Wal-Mart’s biggest trading partner is China. The world’s largest retailer admits it bought some $18 billion in merchandise in 2004, from China, nearly 10 percent of all Chinese goods sold in this country that year. Through August 2005, the United States was running a $126 billion trade deficit with China.

The company says its inventory of products made in China was expected to hit $18 billion in 2004, the second consecutive year the inventory grew by more than 20 percent. More than 70 per cent of the products sold at Wal-Mart are made in China, according to the China Business Weekly.

More than 80 percent of the 6,000 factories in Wal-Mart's worldwide database of suppliers are in China. If Wal-Mart were a separate nation, it would rank as China’s fifth-largest export market, ahead of Germany and Britain."
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Seeing how they specifically mentioned China and Walmart as users of Port Alberta, heres an interesting article I found regarding China and its exports for Walmart:
Who specifically mentioned Walmart as a user of Port Alberta?
     
     
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Maybe I"m jumping to conclusions here. I thought I saw Walmart specifically mentioned.. but maybe the article was just using Walmart as an example. In any case.. if I'm Port Alberta.. I'll have Walmart very high on my list as a list of clients to attract.
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^i believe walmart was specifically mentioned as well.
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Is it better to wait longer in China to go on a ship to Prince Rupert
Excuse my ignorance but why would you wait longer in China? Is it just ships to other ports get loaded first? Could this not change as Prince Rupert gets busier. From what I understand there is significant travel time savings to this port.
     
     
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From Premier Stelmach himself:

http://www.premier.alberta.ca/speeches/speeches-2007-mar-29-Prince_Rupert_Port.cfm

Port of Prince Rupert Connector Event
Edmonton
March 28, 2007

Check Against Delivery

Thank you Bob for that kind introduction.

And good morning to you all.

On behalf of the Government of Alberta, I'd like to welcome you to the Port of Prince Rupert Connector event.

And to those of you from out of province: Welcome to Alberta!

I'd like to offer a special welcome to Mayor Herb Pond of Prince Rupert and Mayor Colin Kinsley of Prince George.

It came as good news to me that mayors Pond and Kinsley later today will be will signing a memorandum of understanding with Mayor Mandel.

I'm very proud of the spirit of cooperation that has grown over the years between the Alberta and British Columbia governments…

And I'm not surprised to see that same spirit is alive and well at the municipal level.

I believe this cooperative arrangement between the three municipalities will provide a tremendous boost in moving the Asia-Pacific Gateway Initiative forward.

My government is a proud sponsor of this event — along with Edmonton Economic Development — because we appreciate the enormous potential the Asia-Pacific Gateway represents.

Expanding and strengthening this important trade corridor is something that will benefit not only Edmonton and Alberta, but the rest of the country as well.

I've often said "What's good for Alberta is good for Canada."

Today I'd like to flip that around and add, "What's good for Prince Rupert and Prince George is good for Alberta."

Because at the end of the day, there is no "us" and "them."

We're all in this together.

I believe our province can both benefit greatly from the expansion of the Asia-Pacific Gateway, and at the same time we can provide a tremendous economic boost to B.C. and the rest of the country.

Our capital region is ideally situated along the Yellowhead route to the coast.

And it's home to government and business leaders with the vision and drive to make great things happen.

All you have to do is look around at the tremendous growth and prosperity around Edmonton.

This didn't happen by accident.

I'm proud to say that Alberta has a rock-solid reputation as a great place for industry to invest and to expand their operations.

And my government is committed to building on that reputation.

Like the folks at city hall and Edmonton Economic Development, were committed to working with industry and other governments to ensure we all benefit from expanded trade through the Asia-Pacific Gateway.

It's no secret that our province relies tremendously on exports to generate wealth and economic growth.

In 2006, Alberta exported more than $80 billion worth of commodities and value-added products.

While much of our trade is with the U.S., exports to Asia, and especially China, have been growing rapidly.

Exports to Asia have increased by more than 50 per cent over the last five years.

And given the distance to major markets, Alberta shippers rely heavily on efficient transportation links to remain competitive…

So our government sees the Port of Prince Rupert as offering a new and extremely effective route for container traffic — especially to Asian ports.

Prince Rupert offers a huge advantage, like sailing times to Asia that are one-and-a-half days shorter than from Vancouver, and about three days shorter than from Los Angeles.

And as we all know: time is money.

Prince Rupert is also at the end of a train route with capacity to absorb future growth.

And of course another key advantage is the terminal itself.

Prince Rupert offers a fast and efficient shipping alternative, and can help relieve some of the volume in Vancouver.

In short, I believe Albertans can and must capitalize on the opportunity that the Asia-Pacific initiative represents.

With the expansion of the Port of Prince Rupert, we can establish Alberta as an important inland terminal and distribution hub.

The federal government predicts that by 2020 container cargo coming through British Columbia ports is projected to increase by up to 300 per cent — from 1.8 million containers to as many as seven million.

And Edmonton, given its proximity to Prince Rupert, would make perfect sense as a key distribution hub along a growing corridor for goods to the west coast.

It could help alleviate congestion at shipping ports…

And Alberta could serve as an essential link in a supply chain that would be efficient and reliable.

We would also have tremendous opportunities to take advantage of the empty import container cars returning to Asia…

Take Alberta's agriculture industry as an example…

The success of this industry relies heavily on exports to Asian markets, with agri-food exports totaling approximately $1.3 billion annually.

For a low cost, Alberta's agriculture producers and shippers have the opportunity to fill many of these empty containers with crops and value-added exports heading back to Asia.

From an agriculture perspective alone, trade through the Port of Prince Rupert represents a huge opportunity for increasing overseas exports.

It has dedicated facilities for grain and specialty agricultural products…

Including an ultra-modern grain terminal, which I'm told has a storage capacity of more than 200,000 tonnes, and can load up to 4,000 tonnes of wheat or grain an hour.

Of course this is just one of the many opportunities that we have all come together to explore today.

I am confident that there will be real progress and tangible results from today's event — and the one scheduled for later this fall…

In closing, I'd like to acknowledge the great work of the folks at Edmonton Economic Development…

And in particular the members of the Transportation and Logistics Cluster — who played a key role in making today's event happen…

You have played an invaluable role over the years in bringing people together to share knowledge and develop partnerships…

Partnerships that benefit not only the capital region, but our province and the entire country.

Today's event is a perfect example.

Thank you all, and enjoy the rest of the day.

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Excuse my ignorance but why would you wait longer in China? Is it just ships to other ports get loaded first? Could this not change as Prince Rupert gets busier. From what I understand there is significant travel time savings to this port.
Less ships going, so more likely there would be a need to wait to get on a specific ship. Plus out of the however many ports in China, you would have to start at one that was served by a ship going to PR.

Its good for total shipment, don't get me wrong, with significant travel time savings.

It just doesn't make sense to ship things on a ship, then rail, then plane. Except for very specialized products or to destinations in the north. I was using the 'waiting' argument to show that if things are going on a ship, the 'time value of money' is not an obvious concern for the shipper.

Port Alberta will help with the Air cargo at YEG, but don't expect huge numbers, even the airport authority doesn't.

Port Alberta is more for significant non air revenue.
     
     
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That is the point.

The synergy of an inland port with proximity to an airfield cannot be understated. You could hotshot goods in by air, then distribute to your local channels by truck.

We all need to understand that the air component is just that - a component. Port Alberta is really Metro Edmonton, and all the pieces being put in place including YEG...

This was why YEG was placed where it was all those years ago. YPR's success is also some 60 years late. Welcome to politics.
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So why was the Leduc county site chosen over the Ellerslie site x number of years ago?
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Does the Hawrelak name ring a bell. Edmonchuk to elaborate....now!
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So why was the Leduc county site chosen over the Ellerslie site x number of years ago?
I heard the nephew of some politician owned the land in Leduc.
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So why was the Leduc county site chosen over the Ellerslie site x number of years ago?
It had to do with wind data, growth plans, noise abatement plans, the fact that the DND and Americans owned Namao, a large tract of land and few owners...nothing at all to do with alleged politicians and their alleged nephew's brother's buddies' cousin's former college roomate owning land... or did it.
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it was a bad decision at the time.

We lost a lot of traffic to Calgary over the past 30 years because of its location and the issues it created with the muni.
     
     
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politics and logic are strange bedfellows. However, it is not the location PER SE that is the issue. That is the boogyman, but the devil is in the details.

  1. NO MASS TRANSIT WHATSOEVER. Not even a trolley on CP.
  2. Political bullshit over Leduc County getting tax revenue. Like Ellerslie, Namao and other sites were any better.
  3. Agreeing to the Transport Canada deal, then backing out, pissing off the feds who just so happened to own, gee, I don't know, the bi-laterals and Air Canada??? Naaaaaaah, there is never revenge and petty griping in politics....
  4. Not settling on a N-S express route ANYWHERE. 99, Mill Creek, Cal trail N/S, killing the new DT bridge, and other myopic, stupid, assenine, whaaa whaaa whaa whaa whaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa my river vaslley view griping and small time thinking.
  5. Putting stoip light after stop light after stop light after stop light after stop light after stop light after....
  6. buying into PWA's business plan
  7. Telling TC once again in 1970 to go eff itself when they "strongly suggested" closing yxd to scheduled traffic.
  8. shall I go on? This debate is more our fault for letting small minded, myopic, and petty thinking get in the way .

The final location would not have an effect overall with all this crap in the way....the land deal suddenly becomes a minor consequence.
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