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[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

Id like to see them both go two way. There are two major reasons.

1) Cycling through downtown can mean massive detours because of the one-ways. It's honestly the biggest reason why I think the cycling population isn't larger than it is here.

2) One day it would be nice to get two way bus service on Main because it would give LRT much more breathing room, and unfortunately if you live downtown, getting to and from King can take quite a while. We live around Barton Street, and getting to my buddy's house at Gage can take 35-40 minutes, of which only 18 minutes is on the bus because the fastest way to the bus is to walk a massive distance. Transferring isn't much better because it's so close that getting on a bus for 2 stops is kind of silly and transferring can take longer, and if you're not near a north/south bus route it can take longer to walk east or west just to get to a bus you'll have to transfer anyway. All to say, I bike instead because it's 18 minutes for me on a bike to his house.

Yea, Two waying main on the west end of downtown needs some interchange work with the 403 which is the main issue.

The City really needs to think holistically on what traffic patterns should be post-LRT, probably should initiate a full EA for it. It would likely be too political though so of course it won't happen.

[Beedok]

You can have one way highway access on a two way street. Central Ottawa is awash with partial highway connections, despite many of those connections being to two way streets. It's less convenient, sure, but drivers can go a few hundred metres in a minute or two. If they really hate it, maybe they'll start taking the bus instead.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by Beedok

You can have one way highway access on a two way street. Central Ottawa is awash with partial highway connections, despite many of those connections being to two way streets. It's less convenient, sure, but drivers can go a few hundred metres in a minute or two. If they really hate it, maybe they'll start taking the bus instead.

the problem is how the interchanges are designed, there are merges on both sides of the street which prevents two-way traffic.

In order to two-way King and Main over the 403 you will have to completely reconstruct the interchange.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

the problem is how the interchanges are designed, there are merges on both sides of the street which prevents two-way traffic.

In order to two-way King and Main over the 403 you will have to completely reconstruct the interchange.

And that stretch of Main between the ramps and Dundurn probably has the most lane-changing of any city street. It is difficult (and dangerous) to cross that 5-lane roadway especially if the light at Dundurn is red. But many do it, either to make a left on Dundurn or enter the plaza, or turn right on Dundurn or get into position to do so at Locke.

[Beedok]

Tossing in some street lights seems like it would cover the off ramp on the wrong side of Main fine. Slows the cars off the highway down faster so they don't zip through the city, which is a plus in my books. The on ramp on King's wrong side seems trickier, but... I'm sure you could come up with something cheaper than a total rebuilding.

[HamiltonBoyInToronto]

Just start the 2 way action at dundurn. Don't bother with the overpasses over the 403 SIMPLE

[urban_planner]

Originally Posted by HamiltonBoyInToronto

Just start the 2 way action at dundurn. Don't bother with the overpasses over the 403 SIMPLE

Here is a radical idea totally close those interchanges people can get on and off at York or Longwood/Aberdeen/Main West.

[HamiltonBoyInToronto]

Originally Posted by urban_planner

Here is a radical idea totally close those interchanges people can get on and off at York or Longwood/Aberdeen/Main West.

That would cause major havoc and isn't necessary... keep the interchanges and one ways on the bridges and start the 2 way traffic at dundurn .... it's not rocket science

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by HamiltonBoyInToronto

That would cause major havoc and isn't necessary... keep the interchanges and one ways on the bridges and start the 2 way traffic at dundurn .... it's not rocket science

And those ramps were built (the originals anyway, but I don't think much has changed over the years) when the 403 carried far less traffic and there were fewer vehicles exiting onto Main. So they probably handle a much higher volume than they were designed to decades ago. With all the new residential coming online downtown, they'll probably get busier.

The Ancaster-bound-403 to Main W ramp is long, and may be long enough to accommodate traffic waiting for a stoplight. But the Burlington-bound off-ramp to Main is much shorter. They could always be widened near the merge with Main, but it's tight.

Simplest idea *is* to maintain one-way west of Dundurn, and reconfigure the Main St. intersection. And that would keep a fairly short stretch of one-way traffic between Westdale and Dundurn -- about 950m each for both King and Main, more than half of which doesn't front any businesses or homes.

[ShavedParmesanCheese]

Makes sense to keep those bridges one-way, since they're two of the just three entrances into Westdale and, by extention, Dundas. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by converting the street at Dundurn, those 2 intersections are the most dangerous in the city.

Once the LRT's built, converting the rest of Main all the way to the Delta back to two-way will be almost necessary.

[Wigs]

Looking at Google maps, my wish for Hamilton would be both King and Main return to 2 way streets between, say Locke on the West and Wentworth on the East

but you native/permanent Hamiltonians would know better than me!

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by bigguy1231

King will be two way one lane in each direction once they build the LRT.

Originally Posted by Wigs

Looking at Google maps, my wish for Hamilton would be both King and Main return to 2 way streets between, say Locke on the West and Wentworth on the East

but you native/permanent Hamiltonians would know better than me!

I went through the LRT station/street plans a few weeks ago, and King is not two-way the whole way after it gets built. In fact, there is even a stretch that has King going only eastbound instead of westbound like it does now.

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by jonny24

I went through the LRT station/street plans a few weeks ago, and King is not two-way the whole way after it gets built. In fact, there is even a stretch that has King going only eastbound instead of westbound like it does now.

I believe that is just through international village due to the width of the street. I am a little surprised though why they've decided to make the south side of King through international village eastbound. I don't understand why they wouldn't just keep it westbound, since there's already a huge eastbound street nearby.....Main.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

I believe that is just through international village due to the width of the street. I am a little surprised though why they've decided to make the south side of King through international village eastbound. I don't understand why they wouldn't just keep it westbound, since there's already a huge eastbound street nearby.....Main.

Probably to avoid having an awkward intersection at Wellington. To its east King has an eastbound lane on the south side of the tracks, and westbound on the north.

The westbound lane starts again at Catharine.

[Innsertnamehere]

I could see 2 lanes each way on Main from Delta to Wellington/Victoria, 3 lanes eastbound and 1 lane westbound from Wellington/Victoria to Dundurn. The parts of Main St. that are 5 lanes right now should get cut back to 4 total.

When the MTO ends up widening the 403 in the next 10-15 years, the interchange will need to be reconstructed anyway. When that happens you can fully reconstruct it to shift traffic more. I would like to see a full interchange at Main St. with a half interchange (servicing movements to Burlington only) at King St ideally.

[King&James]

Wondering if anyone has been around thia site to see if there ia any activity behind the hording, or if equipment has arrived?

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by King&James

Wondering if anyone has been around thia site to see if there ia any activity behind the hording, or if equipment has arrived?

I walk past there pretty frequently. Nothing has been done since they put up the hording.

[King&James]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

I walk past there pretty frequently. Nothing has been done since they put up the hording.

Thanks THM!

[TheRitsman]

Saw this angle posted on social media, I don't think it's been posted here before. Anyone know what's up with this? I'm see ads like it like crazy, but haven't heard anything about sales actually starting.

[SteelTown]

Lately, I've seen this, Television City and Radio Arts advertised a lot on social media.