Edmonton Construction 13 (November 2015)

[EdmTrekker]

"Historically in Edmonton, neighbourhoods have taken approximately 10 to 15 years to build out after a neighbourhood plan has been approved by Council. "

Once the hospital starts construction developers will be lobbying for the opportunity to build. Demand for housing in the area particularly condos and rentals will be strong.

[urbanroo]

Originally Posted by mcc16

I knew I had read about this awhile back

https://edmontonjournal.com/business/loc...the-bulldozer-list-for-proposed-west-lrt

From the article:

“Their plan is to go right through the middle of our store when there’s a derelict building right across the street,” Church said, pointing to the old Blue Chicago and the line of businesses beside it on the south side of Stony Plain Road at 142 Street. National Audio Video is part of an entire block of businesses slated for demolition on the north side of Stony Plain Road just west of 142 Street. It’s been there for 40 years.

The worst is that business owners have been living under this cloud for years, said Tony Abdilmasih, owner of Glenora Chiropractic and Physiotherapy Clinic at 10210 142 St. He renovated and bought new signs last year hoping this wouldn’t happen.

Thanks for all the info. It does indeed seem LRT related. I sure hope something gets built in this area (and sooner rather than later); it's an important node into central Edmonton and it's a pity those buildings had to be demolished as they had a decent walk-up, high-street quality to them. (I do support the LRT west line and hope it's up and running before I retire in 25 years!)

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

"Historically in Edmonton, neighbourhoods have taken approximately 10 to 15 years to build out after a neighbourhood plan has been approved by Council. "

Once the hospital starts construction developers will be lobbying for the opportunity to build. Demand for housing in the area particularly condos and rentals will be strong.

emphasis added...

add to that the 10 to 15 years it can take to acquire the land - or to acquire enough cooperation amongst owners - and secure those approvals and you'll understand why land development is not for the faint-hearted or the poorly financed.

it also points out why it is more important for the city to monitor and update city regional and neighborhood planning on an ongoing basis than it is to try and monitor and update zoning on a site by site basis.

[Coldrsx]

Empire Park proposal in front of City Council tomorrow.

http://sirepub.edmonton.ca/sirepub/view.aspx?cabinet=published_meetings&fileid=949671

[Hallsy's Toupee]

Originally Posted by urbanroo

Thanks for all the info. It does indeed seem LRT related. I sure hope something gets built in this area (and sooner rather than later); it's an important node into central Edmonton and it's a pity those buildings had to be demolished as they had a decent walk-up, high-street quality to them. (I do support the LRT west line and hope it's up and running before I retire in 25 years!)

I doubt you're missing much - the NWC of SPR/142 were your typical medical/health facilities that can be found in just about every 2nd strip mall in this city.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by kcantor

emphasis added...

add to that the 10 to 15 years it can take to acquire the land - or to acquire enough cooperation amongst owners - and secure those approvals and you'll understand why land development is not for the faint-hearted or the poorly financed.

it also points out why it is more important for the city to monitor and update city regional and neighborhood planning on an ongoing basis than it is to try and monitor and update zoning on a site by site basis.

Ken, I had thought what the City stated below "127 hectares of land owned by the Province in Heritage Valley." There are no other owners than the Province or is that not the case?. The lobby I mention was from the private sector to the Province to auction off the parcels or sell them through other means. Given it will only be home to 4000 people or so and includes a large public hospital and other major amenities it should be a no brainer to see this site move quickly. It will be 20% smaller in population than the community of MacEwan which sits around 5200.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Ken, I had thought what the City stated below "127 hectares of land owned by the Province in Heritage Valley." There are no other owners than the Province or is that not the case?. The lobby I mention was from the private sector to the Province to auction off the parcels or sell them through other means. Given it will only be home to 4000 people or so and includes a large public hospital and other major amenities it should be a no brainer to see this site move quickly. It will be 20% smaller in population than the community of MacEwan which sits around 5200.

neighborhood 14 is just one of the neighborhoods in heritage valley which was first approved when the city adopted the heritage valley servicing concept design brief in 2001. the following neighborhood structure plans have since been adopted to further guide development of certain portions of the area:

• allard in 2007
• blackmud creek in 1998
• callaghan in 2005
• cashman in 2005
• chappelle in 2008
• desrochers in 2010
• heritage valley neighbourhood 12 in 2011
• heritage valley town centre in 2009
• macewan in 200
• richford in 1999
• rutherford in 2001

none of them on their own could support the servicing and infrastructure costs needed for each of them. when fully developed, heritage valley's 2,115 hectares is projected to be home for 99,000.

https://webdocs.edmonton.ca/infraplan/plans_in_effect/Heritage_Valley_SCDB_Consolidation.pdf

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by kcantor

neighborhood 14 is just one of the neighborhoods in heritage valley which was first approved when the city adopted the heritage valley servicing concept design brief in 2001. the following neighborhood structure plans have since been adopted to further guide development of certain portions of the area:

• allard in 2007
• blackmud creek in 1998
• callaghan in 2005
• cashman in 2005
• chappelle in 2008
• desrochers in 2010
• heritage valley neighbourhood 12 in 2011
• heritage valley town centre in 2009
• macewan in 200
• richford in 1999
• rutherford in 2001

none of them on their own could support the servicing and infrastructure costs needed for each of them. when fully developed, heritage valley's 2,115 hectares is projected to be home for 99,000.

https://webdocs.edmonton.ca/infraplan/plans_in_effect/Heritage_Valley_SCDB_Consolidation.pdf

All this is known. But this site we are discussing will be home to 3900 people. Not 99,000.

[Hallsy's Toupee]

What the hell is Regency doing? The NEC corner of Jasper Ave/114 St was demolished 5 years ago and is still a fenced-off vacant lot to this day. The SEC corner of 101 St/102 Ave is one of this city's prime lots in the financial district but it's a fenced-off vacant lot and will likely continue as such after the LRT construction is finished. I know Regency has plans for these lots and excuses for not starting something but all I see are 2 more Arlingtons. I wish the City could do something - charge Regency hefty taxes until they get off their ass and construct.

[Coldrsx]

114 is postponed due to Holyrood.

Last I heard, BMO was proceeding, but it is a disgrace how they have treated that site.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

All this is known. But this site we are discussing will be home to 3900 people. Not 99,000.

the initial comment stated it would take 10 - 15 years to build out once the nsp was approved. i was only illustrating that in many cases - including this one - the overall process can be much longer than that, particularly for those that don’t know where an nsp sits in the overall development timeline. i wasn’t meaning to be argumentative by adding perspectives.

[CMD UW]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

"Historically in Edmonton, neighbourhoods have taken approximately 10 to 15 years to build out after a neighbourhood plan has been approved by Council. "

Once the hospital starts construction developers will be lobbying for the opportunity to build. Demand for housing in the area particularly condos and rentals will be strong.

The majority of the neighbourhoods around the future South Hospital lands are already approved and under development. Demand in this area has been strong for several years and will continue irrespective of the hospital being built or not.

[Hallsy's Toupee]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

114 is postponed due to Holyrood.

Last I heard, BMO was proceeding, but it is a disgrace how they have treated that site.

114 can still go ahead at the same time as their Holyrood development, yes? If Westrich, Cidex and Belgian can do several construction projects simultaneously, why not Regency?

[Coldrsx]

BIG dollars, risk, market demand, timing, priorities, etc.

With only 100 widgets to go around, allocate wisely.

[TimB09]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

BIG dollars, risk, market demand, timing, priorities, etc.

With only 100 widgets to go around, allocate wisely.

Then take care of the land while you're not doing the work. That site looks terrible and is a blight on that part of the city.

[Coldrsx]

I could not agree more and it was brought up to the Mayor and Council many times... alas.

[mcc16]

Regency is also wrapping up their awful awful building “121 West“. I wonder if they have found a buyer yet. I actually inquired when they were thinking it might be condos at first but the salesperson didn’t have a lot of info. Sounded like they were trying to sell it as rental. That would free up some $s for next project... But if 114 ends up looking like the pile of garbage that 121 west is, we’re probably better off with a swampy ditch.

[Hardhatdan]

Regency is not doing itself any favors with how it treats areas pre-construction or the final products it is kicking out these days.

Painting a picture that it's all about squishing out a bit more cash now and very little about Legacy for them.

[CMD UW]

Originally Posted by Hardhatdan

Regency is not doing itself any favors with how it treats areas pre-construction or the final products it is kicking out these days.

Painting a picture that it's all about squishing out a bit more cash now and very little about Legacy for them.

It's shameful how the BMO and 113 Street sites are kept, especially BMO. I expect more from them or any other developer for that fact.

[ExcaliburKid]

Maybe Regency is starting to resemble your signature, CMD UW