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Originally Posted by ssiguy
Great news but our main hydrogen competitor, Australia, is WAY ahead of us. They have already signed hydrogen agreements with those 2 countries and very recently with Germany. They are already working with the Japanese on hydrogen carrying cargo ships and their infrastructure for Green hydrogen production is years ahead of ours.
Hydrogen is a game we can't afford to lose and even though we have some of the world's premier hydrogen/fuel cell developers we are doing pitifully poor on actually bringing that hydrogen to market in both production and infrastructure.
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Stop it with the hydrogen talk! At the moment it is not a competition because it is not being done at scale even in places like Germany (where they are operating a small number of hydrogen trains on rural lines)
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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal
LRT is called Métro léger in french or transit léger sur rail. I would call the REM a 2.0 or 21th century LRT system.
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It uses Metro trains, it is fully grade separated, it is a Metro, there is functionally no difference between REM and Paris Line 16, or the Sydney Metro etc.
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Originally Posted by Doady
Light rail can operate like a typical Toronto streetcar (on-street, mixed traffic, frequent stops), or they can operate like rapid transit (trains, all-door boarding, limited stops, grade-separated, exclusive ROW), or can be a mixture of features (e.g. on-street but with exclusive ROW, trains, all-door boarding and limited stops). Either way, it's still light rail transit, using LRVs.
To say a light rail metro is not light rail transit doesn't make sense. It would mean that subway/metro systems are not transit. Same way that bus rapid transit is still a form of bus transit, light metro is still a form of light rail transit.
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The REM cars are not LRV's, look at every other LRT system in North America and even the high floor ones have very different trains from the REM in terms of design (turning radius, ability to operate on street etc)
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Originally Posted by hipster duck
Toronto is number 2. In terms of just LRT actively under construction right now:
- Eglinton Crosstown: 19 km
- Finch West LRT: 11 km
- Hurontario LRT: 18 km
So 48 km.
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The Scarborough Subway and Eglinton West Extension are also in pre construction, on the whole Toronto's projects are lower quality than the REM.
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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe
People are mixing up an R with an F.
R - Rapid
F - Frequent.
lRt - light RAPID transit,
Not
lFt - light Frequent transit.
What people really expect out of a subway is that it is faster than driving. It is. So are some streetcars, and the LRTs, and GO in the GTA. That is why I love labeling them all RT. It is a rapid transportation system.
So, here is my list (hopefully complete) of currently open RT
Skytrain
WCE
C-Train
ETS LRT
Winnipeg Transitway
ION LRT
TTC Streetcars
TTC Subways
SRT
GO
Mississauga Transitway
O-Train
Ottawa Transitway
Montreal Metro
EXO
Metrolink.
Via Rail
Did I miss any RT that is currently open?
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Plenty of these (Toronto streetcar in particular) are *not* faster than surrounding traffic.
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Originally Posted by Doady
Commuter rail like GO Train is fast, faster than TTC subway, but what does GO's rail and bus system sacrifice to achieve such speeds? How many people can actually benefit from those higher speeds? How many people can use that service at all? When can they use it?
Likewise, the upcoming Hurontario LRT will be as fast as Yonge subway, maybe even faster, but it will be sacrificing capacity to achieve such speeds (smaller trains, lower frequencies, wider stop spacing). If Hurontario LRT had to carry the same amount of people as Yonge, would the speed still be as high?
I remember in 2004, buses on Hurontario were every 10 minutes all day, all articulated buses, but the buses often said "Sorry... bus full" and so would not let anyone on and they had to skip the stop and leave me and so many others to continue waiting. Often that year I saw 2 or 3 or even 4 buses travelling together in a line, approaching the bus stop together all at once. That's why they finally introduced express buses in 2005. And that's why LRT is under construction now. Buses were becoming ridiculously overcrowded, and they were getting slower and slower and constantly falling behind schedule as a result of the crowding conditions on the buses and at the bus stops.
That's the reason we build rapid transit or implement features of rapid transit in Canada. 19 Hurontario got too overcrowded so they introduce 102/103/202/502 Hurontario Express/Intercity Express/Main Zum, and soon Hurontario LRT. Ottawa BRT too overcrowded so it needs conversion to LRT and downtown tunnel. Yonge Line too overcrowded so they are building Ontario Line. That's what makes rapid transit in Canada different from the US. They build it to try to encourage people to use transit, we build it because too many people use transit, and I think that is what rapid transit is really all about.
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The Hurontario LRT will not be as fast as the Yonge Subway
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