The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 774

J.OT13 · #**15461** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 7:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

Is the QC tramway actual rapid transit or just a glorified streetcar?

The Quebec City Tramway is similar to ION and the Valley Line, but with a downtown tunnel.

Coldrsx · #**15462** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 7:22 PM**

With the SE about to open and the West getting underway as we speak... Edmonton's next line will be to the NW.

A nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4owBDsPCg

Phase 1 from NAIT to Blatchford is currently U/C.

https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_plans/transit/nw-lrt.aspx

J.OT13 · #**15463** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 7:39 PM**

Those stations are sharp. There not massive metro style stations, but also not basic streetcar type stops. Very interesting integration.

FrAnKs · #**15464** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 8:06 PM**

Québec City's transit system backbone : The Tramway

*Pôle St-Roch to Pôle d'Estimauville was recently added to the line, so we don't have all details yet but it should be fixed in the coming months*

In addition to this, the government of Québec has announced a project of nothing less than 100km of HOV (Reserved lanes) all over Québec City's Autoroute network.

Coldrsx · #**15465** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 8:27 PM**

That's fantastic news.

FrAnKs · #**15466** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 8:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

That's fantastic news.

Something unexpected during my lifetime in Québec City to say the least.

goodgrowth · #**15467** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 8:59 PM**

Is Edmonton currently the most aggressive when it comes to building LRT? Seems like they are undertaking multiple lines at once or is that just my impression?

Coldrsx · #**15468** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 9:12 PM**

It's reasonably aggressive and in 5 years will have 3/4 of the city covered as far as main lines for buses to connect to. The big extension to the NW will be complex due to the CN main yard and Yellowhead.

It should have a couple station expansion south to Ellerslie Road and the future hospital site u/c in few years as well... then not too far from YEG in a decade or two.

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Current Projects

Capital Line: South
The Capital Line South extension preliminary design is complete. The project will move forward when funding becomes available.

Valley Line: West
The competitive procurement process is complete. Construction begins this year and will take 5 to 6 years to complete.

Valley Line: Southeast
Construction activities on the southeast part of the Valley Line started in spring 2016. The Valley Line Southeast is expected to open in 2021.

Metro Line: Northwest
Construction on the Metro Line Northwest (NAIT to Blatchford) started in summer 2020.

More info:
https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_plans/transit/future-lrt-projects.aspx

https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/PDF/Long_Term_LRT_Network_Plan_March_2012.pdf

J.OT13 · #**15469** Posted **Apr 29, 2021, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by goodgrowth

Is Edmonton currently the most aggressive when it comes to building LRT? Seems like they are undertaking multiple lines at once or is that just my impression?

That would be Ottawa, with 44km u/c and 22km approved for a total of 66km.

Edmonton's plans, u/c and approved, total 45km.

That said, a lot of Ottawa's extensions go through the Greenbelt and they stretch out far from the city centre, while Edmonton serves more urban areas.

The only conceptual line on the TMP but not studies (or on the map below) is the 7km Carling streetcar.

https://manifestomultilinko2.wordpress.com/2018/11/13/ottawa-lrt-stage-3-maps/

GreaterMontréal · #**15470** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 12:29 AM**

I don't know if you consider the REM as LRT, but the phase 1 currently under construction is 67km long.

J.OT13 · #**15471** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 12:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

I don't know if you consider the REM as LRT, but the phase 1 currently under construction is 67km long.

Montreal and the REM beats the heck out of everyone.

GreaterMontréal · #**15472** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 12:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Montreal and the REM beats the heck out of everyone.

REM de l'est is 32km long.
https://cdpqinfra.com/en/rem-est

That's about 100km of LRT.

The Phase 3, in Laval and on the South Shore

maybe another 20km for the 3rd phase.

Nouvellecosse · #**15473** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 1:33 AM**

But REM isn't actually LRT is it? Unless the proposal has changed since i first saw it, it's actually metro and light metro that they're just calling LRT for some reason.

GreaterMontréal · #**15474** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 1:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

But REM isn't actually LRT is it? Unless the proposal has changed since i first saw it, it's actually metro and light metro that they're just calling LRT for some reason.

LRT is called Métro léger in french or transit léger sur rail. I would call the REM a 2.0 or 21th century LRT system.

Kilgore Trout · #**15475** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 3:31 AM**

I wouldn't consider the REM to be LRT. It's fully grade separated and automated, so a light metro is more accurate. It's exactly the same technology as the Sydney Metro which is billed as rapid transit, not light rail.

White Pine · #**15476** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 3:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

With the SE about to open and the West getting underway as we speak... Edmonton's next line will be to the NW.

A nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4owBDsPCg

Phase 1 from NAIT to Blatchford is currently U/C.

https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_plans/transit/nw-lrt.aspx

There better be crossing gates in the extension. I can't see how this could possibly work without royally screwing over what's left of their signalling system.

Doady · #**15477** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 4:57 AM**

Light rail can operate like a typical Toronto streetcar (on-street, mixed traffic, frequent stops), or they can operate like rapid transit (trains, all-door boarding, limited stops, grade-separated, exclusive ROW), or can be a mixture of features (e.g. on-street but with exclusive ROW, trains, all-door boarding and limited stops). Either way, it's still light rail transit, using LRVs.

To say a light rail metro is not light rail transit doesn't make sense. It would mean that subway/metro systems are not transit. Same way that bus rapid transit is still a form of bus transit, light metro is still a form of light rail transit.

thenoflyzone · #**15478** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 12:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by FrAnKs

Québec City's transit system backbone : The Tramway

*Pôle St-Roch to Pôle d'Estimauville was recently added to the line, so we don't have all details yet but it should be fixed in the coming months*

Too bad they aren't extending to the west all the way to the airport. Just 3 more kilometers would have done it.

FrAnKs · #**15479** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 1:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Too bad they aren't extending to the west all the way to the airport. Just 3 more kilometers would have done it.

I agree!
Phase 2?

milomilo · #**15480** Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 1:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

Light rail can operate like a typical Toronto streetcar (on-street, mixed traffic, frequent stops), or they can operate like rapid transit (trains, all-door boarding, limited stops, grade-separated, exclusive ROW), or can be a mixture of features (e.g. on-street but with exclusive ROW, trains, all-door boarding and limited stops). Either way, it's still light rail transit, using LRVs.

To say a light rail metro is not light rail transit doesn't make sense. It would mean that subway/metro systems are not transit. Same way that bus rapid transit is still a form of bus transit, light metro is still a form of light rail transit.

I think it's more that REM can be put in the top tier with the real metros and not in the mid tier cheapo LRTs. What matters is the way the system operates, not so much the vehicles as it really makes sense for any new transit system to use physically lighter vehicles that don't compromise elsewhere. Ottawa is the same really, the only oddity there is the choice of low floor trains on an automated, grade separated line.

Not that I want to be a Calgary booster, but the city already has ~60km of LRT and the on paper approved Green Line phase is 20km.