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Old Posted Oct 8, 2009, 12:35 AM
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Please don't shout like this. And, please don't exaggurate or generalize against the LDS church. I understand, what you are upset about, and I believe that there are a lot in the LDS church in Utah, who do not understand the adverse affects of sprawl. The LDS church does not get into environmental or political policies at church. I do know, since I am LDS, that they believe that it is everyone's responsibility 'to be good stewards of the land'. Some, just don't understand or have the education regarding the specifics of what that means. And, it doesn't mean that the LDS church as a whole is greedy and environmentally unfriendly either. I do symphathize and would want to do something to deter this bad spread of development regardless of who owns the land.

I wasn't shouting, I always use size 5 font for article titles. The second title was my own interpretation, although, I can see how you might of thought I was shouting instead.
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Please don't shout like this. And, please don't exaggurate or generalize against the LDS church. I understand what you are upset about, and I believe that there are a lot in the LDS church in Utah, who do not understand the adverse affects of sprawl. The LDS church does not get into environmental or political policies at church. I do know, since I am LDS, that they believe that it is everyone's responsibility 'to be good stewards of the land'. Some just don't understand or have the education regarding the specifics of what that means. And, it doesn't mean that the LDS church as a whole is greedy and environmentally unfriendly either. I do symphathize with what you are saying, and would want to do something to deter this bad spread of development regardless of who owns the land.
Well, Utah Valley is growing like crazy. Either sprawl or create a Chinese like city I guess.
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Urbanboy you are a piece of work as usual. Can people imagine the out cry if the Mormon Church refused to sell the land because they were against urban sprawl? Can you imagine if they did that will multiple land holdings over the last 100 years? Sure UB would be singing their praises (in that area), but there would be many thousands, if not millions, decrying how the church is pushing their agenda on others. People would demand that the cities take it through imminent domain, so that they can grow as they wish.
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In other news .... um....

The big bank building on University Avenue is looking snappy. I drove by it the other day and it looks nearly finished. Really adds to Provo's skyline. If Provo has a skyline, that is.
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ummm... a horizon-line perhaps??
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Well the worst thing that could happen is if a developer dropped a 30-story in. It would dwarf the rest of the view. I suppose NuSkin already does that some. If we could get about 5-6 more of these bank-sized buildings (7 stories, etc) then I think it'd begin to look quite balanced and nice.
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ummm... a horizon-line perhaps??
It's kind of a L-line - everything's on Center Street and University Ave. The new convention center however, won't be on either of those streets.

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Timp Harley-Davidson in Lindon files Ch. 11 bankruptcy


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Grace Leong - Daily Herald | Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:30 am

The owner of Timpanogos Harley-Davidson in Lindon filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to stall an acrimonious legal battle over millions of dollars in alleged unpaid debts to several lenders including Nu Skin founder Blake Roney.

Tupelo Investments LLC, which owns the 60,000 square-foot Lindon motorcycle dealership and a motorcycle-themed restaurant called Marley's at 555 S. Geneva Road, filed for bankruptcy last month to avoid transferring the dealership to the lenders, which include Roney's investment group, Scrub Oaks LLC; Walter "Charlie" Openshaw; McKell & Associates; and RRD Investment Co.

In bankruptcy court documents, the lenders claimed the bankruptcy filing was made "in bad faith" and that Timpanogos Harley-Davidson owner David Tuomisto reneged on an agreement to transfer the dealership to them after getting bailout assistance to keep the dealership's assets from being seized and its business shut down by another lender, Harley-Davidson Credit Corp.

Court filings show the list of creditors include: Harley Davidson Credit, which is owed $4.3 million; Monarch Recreation Sales is owed $760,922; Scrub Oaks is owed $400,000; the Utah State Tax Commission is owed $151,363; and millions more owed to hundreds of other businesses and individuals.

"I was one of the investors in Scrub Oaks that approved the $400,000 loan to Dave so he can try to save the place," Roney said Tuesday. "Dave's my friend. Between the dream of the building, which he spent all of his money on, and the bad economy, it was just a collision that didn't work."

Tuomisto declined comment on the bankruptcy filing and the lawsuits. But Rick Story, the Lindon dealership's general manager said several offers have been made to acquire it.

Potential buyer Joe Timmons, owner of Salt Lake City-based Intermountain Harley-Davidson Co., declined to comment on the status of the buyout.

"Timmons has an offer on it with a contingency," Story said. "There are four other offers by local people attempting to get the franchise. The building is so unique that it doesn't make sense to have anything but a Harley-Davidson dealership in it."

Tuomisto's financial problems began mounting after his company, Timpanogos Fruit Growers Association, ran into problems finishing the Lindon dealership, which he blamed on substantial cost overruns resulting from fraud committed by his original contractor.

To make its construction deadline, Tupelo, in court documents, said it had to help Fruit Growers finance the completion of the building, instead of making payments to its lender, Harley-Davidson Credit.

But Fruit Growers later defaulted on its loan obligations to Far West Bank, causing the bank to foreclose on the Lindon building in June. A month later, Tuomisto sued the bank in Fourth District Court in American Fork.

In spring this year, Tuomisto began negotiations to sell the dealership and the restaurant to the lenders after defaulting on $3.12 million in loans to them and after foreclosure proceedings on the building began. But talks stalled, and only resumed in June when Tuomisto turned to the lenders again for bailout assistance after Harley-Davidson Credit sued to shut down the dealership and seize its assets, forcing him to agree to pay $400,000 by July 8 to settle the suit.

According to court documents, the lenders were initially reluctant to "throw good money after bad," but later agreed to help Tuomisto if he agreed to finish negotiations to sell the dealership and the restaurant.

But Tuomisto, after benefiting from the bailout, on Sept. 1, tried to back out of transferring the dealership allegedly by lying to the manufacturer Harley-Davidson Motor Co. that the lenders had terminated the transfer, and then filing for bankruptcy two days later after being threatened with a lawsuit by the lenders, according to attorneys for the lenders.

Tuomisto, in court documents, argued that the sale agreement "undervalues" Tupelo's assets, which include the Harley-Davidson dealership, inventory, service center, and parts department, a Harley-Davidson merchandise store, a restaurant, an outdoor safety-riding course, as well as the Marley brand and the Timpanogos Harley-Davidson brand.

He said he believes the company can "obtain superior value for its estate through either continued operation of its business, or through a sale or equity investment."

Attorneys for Harley-Davidson Credit are suing to dismiss Tupelo's bankruptcy which they say was filed "in bad faith" to nullify the sale to the lenders, and the dispute between the lenders and Tupelo is now the subject of an adversary proceeding in bankruptcy court.

They alleged that Tupelo's petition is "not to protect the company as a going concern, but to give Tuomisto "greater leverage to negotiate a personal buyout or employment contract for his own personal benefit."

They also alleged concerns that much of Tupelo's financial reporting has been "contradictory and inaccurate" and that its revenues are "significantly below budgeted projections, and that there will be continuing losses and diminution of the estate."
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That sucks. So they were open for what.....a year?
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A bridge too far? Proposed Utah Lake span stirs debate

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Orem » While construction could begin as soon as next year on a nearly eight-mile-long bridge across Utah Lake, environmental groups and politicians are lining up for and against the undertaking.

Conservative state Sen. Margaret Dayton supports the bridge's construction but it's opposed by the Sierra Club's Western Regional Director Marc Heileson, who doesn't see bridging Utah Lake as a solution to Utah Valley's growth and traffic problems. The environmentalist fears it would become a "feeding tube for sprawl."

Heileson told participants in the Utah Lake Symposium the solution is to encourage mass transit systems to extend out to Eagle Mountain and Saratoga Springs.

"Do we want balanced and sustainable growth or a bridge to nowhere?" Heileson asked a crowd of more than 100 people assembled Wednesday at Utah Valley University's library for the symposium.

Heileson spoke during a presentation on a traffic proposal for the lake.

Dayton, R-Orem, said Heileson's plan wouldn't fly with her constituents, who prefer large backyards rather than common areas in their neighborhoods. Lots would be smaller in a more walkable community, which is favored by Heileson.

Utah Lake Crossing, Inc., a private company, has proposed building the bridge between Saratoga Springs and Orem's 800 North to allow people to avoid a traffic chokepoint on Lehi's Main street. The company plans to finance the project through tolls.

The bridge's cost is unknown.

Construction could start in 2010. No federal environmental review is needed because it's proposed on state land.

Instead, that job falls to the state's Division of Forestry, Fire and State Lands. The division has begun reviewing the plan, and eventually the Utah Lake Commission will weigh in on it, said Dave Grierson, the division's sovereign lands director.

The public comment period closes Oct. 25, but there will be hearings Oct. 29 in Provo and Nov. 11 in Saratoga Springs.

Sam Rushforth, Utah Valley University's dean of science and health, said Utah Lake Crossing was invited to Wednesday's meeting but declined.

"We were kind of hoping to have both sides of the issue here today," Rushforth said.

Michael Mills, the state's June sucker-recovery coordinator, said a Utah Lake Crossing representative said his group wants its public participation limited to the state application process.

Heileson said the bridge would further continue to add to suburban sprawl and traffic problems, and trigger a downward spiral into gridlock and pollution. The solution: Encourage development around transportation hubs such as FrontRunner stations and develop mass transit to reach out from there to serve walkable communities. He said it is already happening in Salt Lake County's Daybreak development.

Heileson said it would be more practical than expecting Eagle Mountain residents to drive around 7,700-foot-tall Lake Mountain to reach a toll bridge on the lake.

Reed Price, executive director of the Utah Lake Commission, said the group did not anticipate this project coming up so soon and the lake's master plan does not address the subject. According to the group's Web site, they could eventually take a position on the bridge.

How to comment,
In person » 6 p.m. Oct. 29, Room 2500, Utah County Health and Justice Building, 151 S. University Ave. in Provo

There will also be a public meeting from 6-8 p.m. Nov. 11 at Saratoga Shores Elementary School in Saratoga Springs.

By mail » Utah Lake Bridge Crossing,

c/o Dave Grierson,

Forestry, Fire and State Lands

P.O. Box 145703,

Salt Lake City, Utah 84114-5703.


Existing toll may show demand for toll bridge across lake

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Old Posted Oct 15, 2009, 6:12 PM
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This proposed bridge is not a solution, it will only further the problem and create more gridlock. Can you imagine what would happen to I-15 where these two roads would meet? Also, this will only promote uncontrollable growth, of which Eagle Mountain, Saratoga Springs, and Utah County as a whole is unprepared for, likely ending up as a sprawled mess. Transit oriented walkable communities is a real solution.
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I-15 bridge set for installation

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Illustration shows the diverging diamond interchange UDOT is building in American Fork. (Udot)

...But it's not just any bridge. The new American Fork Main Street bridge over I-15 will be the longest and heaviest concrete bridge in the state.

The precast girders, or support beams, are 192 feet long. It will weigh 4,356 tons...

...Installation of the bridge will be such a process that UDOT is ready for spectators. People may watch on Friday night and Saturday morning. Parking will be available at the park-and-ride lot southwest of the freeway. A flagger will be posted to help spectators enter a viewing area beginning at 9:30 p.m. Friday.

"Seating will not be provided," a UDOT notice says. "Please dress warmly."...

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Cool photo concept...although I hope the bridge will be wide enough to encompass the upcoming expansion of the freeway (since the freeway shown is the current width and not the upcoming width)
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I am pretty sure they have taken that into consideration already... I sure its part of the freeway plan... it just needed to be done sooner than the actual I-15 reconstruction
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Yeah, I noticed that too. It's a pretty obvious oversight on the part of those that produced the rendering. The remake and expansion of the freeway itself through that area will follow in the very near future.
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A bridge across Utah Lake is a horrible idea. Madison, WI is surrounded by 2 lakes, neither of which is quite as big as Utah Lake, and they have found no reason to build a bridge straight across either of those bodies. The natural, geographic boundaries in that area have helped create a great urban experience for a city its size. Madison is about the same size as Provo metro and Boise metro but the urban experience there is on a level all its own. There are large, growing populations on the opposite sides of the lakes, but that hasn't forced them to build a bridge! This isn't just an environmental issue, it is also an incredible waste of money. Someone's brother-in-law must stand to make a lot of money from this thing. Ridiculous...
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"American Fork Bridge Moving"
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I was there last night from around 11:30 to 1:00 this morning. While I was there the bridge was over the freeway, but crews were having a hard time and the wheels kept sinking in the dirt. A few times the bridge had to back up and then move forward again. This went on for about an hour. But here is a video I put together of what I got. It moves very slowly so you will need to look at a object {the spot lights in the background or the workers standing} to see it move. Enjoy.
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