Canadian Federal Election

[ssiguy]

Again, it's not that Carney hasn't helped the Liberals but that's mostly due to being given a free ride by the media. The man has nearly no policies and the few he has, he has never had to defend them in a debate little alone Parliament. He wants to "Stand up for Canada" but has not in any way explained how he will do it and ditto for expanding our markets. He says he will balance the books EXCEPT that will only be operational costs and not include capitol costs like somehow we don't have to pay for them. That's right up there with Trudeau's infamous "budgets balance themselves". I'm not necessarily saying he would be a bad PM nor am I saying that I like PP but his free ride will soon end and that's when we will see what he is REALLY made of. Again, those writing off PP and the Tories are getting WAY ahead of themselves.

I will say that I am very thankful for Carney in that much of the support he is getting is coming from the NDP who are now looking into the abyss. After propping up Trudeau endlessly, the NDP are quickly becoming completely irrelevant and hopefully it will lead to a complete implosion of the party.........a fate they most richly deserve.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

I think it’s kinda brilliant a lot of Canadians know more about American politics than the average American. It’s not like it’s hurting us to have this knowledge and insight on American politics that a lot of people in the US don’t have due to extreme and often inherited partisan bias.

But it's hurting us when Canadians have inferior knowledge of their own domestic political systems (especially at the provincial level), relative to the encyclopedic knowledge of US politics.

Canadians are more interested in spectating about US politics, than getting directly engaged with local politics, which is the point TN is alluding to.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Again, it's not that Carney hasn't helped the Liberals but that's mostly due to being given a free ride by the media. The man has nearly no policies and the few he has, he has never had to defend them in a debate little alone Parliament. He wants to "Stand up for Canada" but has not in any way explained how he will do it and ditto for expanding our markets. He says he will balance the books EXCEPT that will only be operational costs and not include capitol costs like somehow we don't have to pay for them. That's right up there with Trudeau's infamous "budgets balance themselves". I'm not necessarily saying he would be a bad PM nor am I saying that I like PP but his free ride will soon end and that's when we will see what he is REALLY made of. Again, those writing off PP and the Tories are getting WAY ahead of themselves.

I will say that I am very thankful for Carney in that much of the support he is getting is coming from the NDP who are now looking into the abyss. After propping up Trudeau endlessly, the NDP are quickly becoming completely irrelevant and hopefully it will lead to a complete implosion of the party.........a fate they most richly deserve.

The same as for years of waiting for Pierre to release anything policy-related - this board has maintained that this only happens during election campaigns. So we will have to wait for that with Carney I suppose.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

But it's hurting us when Canadians have inferior knowledge of their own domestic political systems (especially at the provincial level), relative to the encyclopedic knowledge of US politics.

Canadians are more interested in spectating about US politics, than getting directly engaged with local politics, which is the point TN is alluding to.

The recent tariff threats have really changed things though. For example a lot of the Skybar crew who spend their days fighting out the American culture wars have suddenly developed an interest in our own politics now that Donald Trump has injected himself into our political discourse. Unfortunately, it's mostly just at the federal level still. Almost none of my relatives in Ontario even seem to know that they're in the midst of an election campaign.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by theman23

The recent tariff threats have really changed things though. For example a lot of the Skybar crew who spend their days fighting out the American culture wars have suddenly developed an interest in our own politics now that Donald Trump has injected himself into our political discourse. Unfortunately, it's mostly just at the federal level still. Almost none of my relatives in Ontario even seem to know that they're in the midst of an election campaign.

We don’t have time to worry about what’s in front of us. The barbarians are coming!

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

I will say that I am very thankful for Carney in that much of the support he is getting is coming from the NDP who are now looking into the abyss. After propping up Trudeau endlessly, the NDP are quickly becoming completely irrelevant and hopefully it will lead to a complete implosion of the party.........a fate they most richly deserve.

Conservatives form federal governments when the NDP is strong, so this time around I'm happy to see the NDP crumble.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Conservatives form federal governments when the NDP is strong, so this time around I'm happy to see the NDP crumble.

A vote for the NDP is certainly a vote for PP.

Canadians have a clear choice in this election. An adult in the room, or a Trump acolyte and stooge.

Your choice Canada, your choice.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

A vote for the NDP is certainly a vote for PP.

Canadians have a clear choice in this election. An adult in the room, or a Trump acolyte and stooge.

Your choice Canada, your choice.

I’ve never understood the comparison of PP to Trump. PP has outright denounced Trump, and stood up for Canadians. He comes off as somewhat abrasive, but every challenge he has against Trudeau and the Liberal party has merit behind his arguments. To me, call PP the Trump of the north with no actual substance to back that accusation up is outright poor argument not to like him.

Trump is an idiot. PP is not. PP backs up his arguments with facts and stats.

I will agree. Listening to Carney in this debate at least he looks/sounds like an adult, unlike Trudeau who outright sounds like a kindergarten teacher talking to kindergarten children, with his soft lispy voice and no substance behind his messages. Carney at least sounds like an adult speaking to adults.
Regardless of outcome, at least Trudeau will be gone. Carney has adopted a large portion of what CPC has argued for through the years. It’s actually nice to see folk on here providing support in that respect, it only took a Liberal to provide the message.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

But it's hurting us when Canadians have inferior knowledge of their own domestic political systems (especially at the provincial level), relative to the encyclopedic knowledge of US politics.

Canadians are more interested in spectating about US politics, than getting directly engaged with local politics, which is the point TN is alluding to.

This is untrue.

The last 3 US election have been interesting for all the wrong reasons. There is a literal fascist in the race, and he has won twice.

[Acajack]

Carney getting mostly failing grades from pundits after tonight’s French debate.

They are saying he will have a rough time if he has to debate Blanchet and Poilievre in French.

Freeland was pretty good.

Gould may have impressed the most given few people knew her.

Baylis in the news conference just said he is VP of an anti-Bill 21 group and also doesn’t support Bill 96. So down in flames, at least in Quebec.

[Acajack]

Carney said “we support Hamas” by mistake. Obviously not what he meant but many won’t let him live that down. Right after that he briefly switched to English before remembering he was in a French debate.

No one seriously thinks he supports Hamas but it raises questions about his French.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Carney said “we support Hamas” by mistake. Obviously not what he meant but many won’t let him live that down. Right after that he briefly switched to English before remembering he was in a French debate.

No one seriously thinks he supports Hamas but it raises questions about his French.

He is being elected to do battle with Trump et al. The Americans don't understand French.

I hope Quebecers are willing to cut him some slack on that one, given he is trying and will keep improving on the French. Afterall we all tolerated Chretien who did not do well in either language.

[svlt]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

I’ve never understood the comparison of PP to Trump. PP has outright denounced Trump, and stood up for Canadians. He comes off as somewhat abrasive, but every challenge he has against Trudeau and the Liberal party has merit behind his arguments. To me, call PP the Trump of the north with no actual substance to back that accusation up is outright poor argument not to like him.

Trump is an idiot. PP is not. PP backs up his arguments with facts and stats.

I will agree. Listening to Carney in this debate at least he looks/sounds like an adult, unlike Trudeau who outright sounds like a kindergarten teacher talking to kindergarten children, with his soft lispy voice and no substance behind his messages. Carney at least sounds like an adult speaking to adults.
Regardless of outcome, at least Trudeau will be gone. Carney has adopted a large portion of what CPC has argued for through the years. It’s actually nice to see folk on here providing support in that respect, it only took a Liberal to provide the message.

Pierre isn't Trump, and while it was a bit weak willed and late he did criticize Trump's policies and promised to put up retaliatory tariffs. It may not be his fault but his opponents are going to grill him about his endorsements from guys like Elon Musk, Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson, and he's still talking about, in his own words, the "radical woke agenda".

A true "common sense" conservative like Harper, whom I checked for his name on the ballot box three times straight, wouldn't indulge in this kind of rhetoric or hold audience with any of those loons.

Carney's the kind of person Canada needs even though right now it appears he may have a couple of issues dogging him, including sa difficulté avec le français. Or maybe O'Toole with a much better PR and image. Or perhaps Peter MacKay really should've been the guy.

I just don't want a guy dog whistling to the people who are subversively really into this 51st state thing, and I am troubled Poilievre hasn't distanced himself enough from that crowd. Just being similar at all in style to the far right in America is a big turn-off.

[Hackslack]

PP’s likeablity aside, It was the Liberals left wing policies that had us in this vulnerable position. Canada’s energy industry literally said in their application for major nation building infrastructure projects that reached global markets so Canada wasn’t entirely dependent on the USA. What did the Liberals do? Cancelled and implemented policy that made it impossible to build, and here we are. It was Carney who supported the cancellation of Northern Gateway, he is part of the reason why we are STILL handcuffed to the US market. They failed the last nine years because they were focused on the wrong policies, which have since made our country worse off. It doesn’t matter to me who gives support to who, it’s all about policy. Carney supported policy that left Canada hamstrung to the USA. But now he is walking it back saying he would implement the emergency powers to get this infrastructure built? He and his liberals had there chance, when industry was chomping at the bit, wanting to spend tens of billions of private capital, that would generate hundreds of billions in revenue for the country. What a complete and utter loss of opportunity.

Policies matter the most in my eyes, not ones likeability

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Canada’s energy industry literally said in their application for major nation building infrastructure projects that reached global markets so Canada wasn’t entirely dependent on the USA. What did the Liberals do? Cancelled and implemented policy that made it impossible to build, and here we are.

Weird, I could have sworn that the Liberals bought and built TMX so that tar sands oil could reach foreign markets easier and cheaper. I guess that was some kind of a fever dream and the Conservatives actually did it.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

I’ve never understood the comparison of PP to Trump. PP has outright denounced Trump, and stood up for Canadians. He comes off as somewhat abrasive, but every challenge he has against Trudeau and the Liberal party has merit behind his arguments. To me, call PP the Trump of the north with no actual substance to back that accusation up is outright poor argument not to like him.

Trump is an idiot. PP is not. PP backs up his arguments with facts and stats.

Before Trump's threats and Elon's "Roman" salute, Pierre's flirtatious antics with the far right weren't a big deal. But it turns out all those Convoy folks he was hanging around are something of a fifth column. And in light of Trump's threats, all of that looks very different. As does aping Trump's rhetorical style.

He's definitely going to win. But I suspect the leash will be much shorter than he was dreaming about. That is probably frustrating for him. And a lot of the policy prescriptions will look very different in light of the news from the south. I wonder how promises to dismantle the CBC and slash tens of thousands of public servants looks to the average person, now that they are hearing about the chaos from DOGE in the US. And how would that look if those cuts drive the US into recession months from now?

I suspect Trump is going to do to Conservatives all over the West, what COVID did to Liberals everywhere. The smart ones (see Germany) have distanced themselves clearly and forcefully.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Carney said “we support Hamas” by mistake. Obviously not what he meant but many won’t let him live that down. Right after that he briefly switched to English before remembering he was in a French debate.

No one seriously thinks he supports Hamas but it raises questions about his French.

Even if he did say it, it's not the biggest mistake. The sympathy for Israel is all gone, and the World is outraged at the displacement of 2 million Palestinians.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

He's definitely going to win. But I suspect the leash will be much shorter than he was dreaming about. That is probably frustrating for him.

Want to place a bet on that?

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Carney said “we support Hamas” by mistake. Obviously not what he meant but many won’t let him live that down. Right after that he briefly switched to English before remembering he was in a French debate.

No one seriously thinks he supports Hamas but it raises questions about his French.

Agreed. Baylis was good.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Want to place a bet on that?

Sure. Let me know where to mail you the bottle of French's Ketchup. Lol.

There's movement to be sure. But we haven't started the debates between Carney and Poilievre yet. I think when those start, Poilievre will come out on top. He just won't get the sweeping mandate he imagined. And he'll have to watch what he does and says the whole time Trump is in office, or risk re-election. It kinda reminds me of Harper and Dubya. Harper had to be really careful to not appear too friendly to Dubya in the waning days of that administration. This is the same dynamic on steroids.