ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by Triptychtwo

Hotel is planned for 14th in Midtown

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...lans-dual-branded-hotel-for-midtown.html

Looks like it is this property on Loopnet which is in contract now:

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965557/53-14th-Street-Atlanta-GA/

This other JLL listing is also listed as under contract now, (updated same time as the above property):
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18903136/693-Peachtree-Street-Atlanta-GA/

[Frankster87]

Midtown sure is on fire these days!

I hope this hotel will have some height to it. A mid-rise would look pretty out of place with all the other tall buildings clustered in right there.

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Looks like it is this property on Loopnet which is in contract now:

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965557/53-14th-Street-Atlanta-GA/

This other JLL listing is also listed as under contract now, (updated same time as the above property):
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18903136/693-Peachtree-Street-Atlanta-GA/

That second listing is the one that had the 19 story apartment proposal but apparently was a no-go due to the location of the utilities on the site....interesting

https://www.google.com/maps/place/693+Pe...4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x907043b91a9306d5!6m1!1e1

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by Frankster87

That second listing is the one that had the 19 story apartment proposal but apparently was a no-go due to the location of the utilities on the site....interesting

https://www.google.com/maps/place/693+Pe...4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x907043b91a9306d5!6m1!1e1

I wish that parking lot next to the Fox was built up. I don't know why someone doesn't build a hotel or apartment/condo building there with a parking deck for both residents and Fox visitors. Far better use of land than a parking lot and it would allow more restaurants and shops in the area for the people in the hotel and Fox visitors after/before shows. Hell, the parking deck would fit more people than that 80 space parking lot.

I'm sure the Fox doesn't want to sell the land. Developers are probably itching to build on the space...the neighborhood around it isn't bad at all.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

I wish that parking lot next to the Fox was built up. I don't know why someone doesn't build a hotel or apartment/condo building there with a parking deck for both residents and Fox visitors. Far better use of land than a parking lot and it would allow more restaurants and shops in the area for the people in the hotel and Fox visitors after/before shows. Hell, the parking deck would fit more people than that 80 space parking lot.

I'm sure the Fox doesn't want to sell the land. Developers are probably itching to build on the space...the neighborhood around it isn't bad at all.

On the other side of the Fox that very thing is up for development. (updated 5 days ago)
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965565/640-Peachtree-Street-Atlanta-GA/

There is also this property that popped up 5 days ago as well, which would be an awesome location for a condo/hotel combo:
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965538/236-Williams-Street-Atlanta-GA/

Owner would retain rights to run parking and give the development air rights to a developer to build something on top of the parking deck.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

On the other side of the Fox that very thing is up for development. (updated 5 days ago)
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965565/640-Peachtree-Street-Atlanta-GA/

There is also this property that popped up 5 days ago as well, which would be an awesome location for a condo/hotel combo:
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965538/236-Williams-Street-Atlanta-GA/

Owner would retain rights to run parking and give the development air rights to a developer to build something on top of the parking deck.

That parking lot being built up would be nice too, but I'm talking about the one directly across the lot that the 19 story apartment tower was going to go to.

[gttx]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

That parking lot being built up would be nice too, but I'm talking about the one directly across the lot that the 19 story apartment tower was going to go to.

I don't recall the exact details, but there is some reason why the site has never been developed. Perhaps having to do with underground utilities / water infrastructure? Bellsouth had plans to develop it years ago, which I believe were undone by whatever subsurface issues exist.

But I would love to be proven wrong about this! Would be a nice hole to fill in along Peachtree.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

On the other side of the Fox that very thing is up for development. (updated 5 days ago)
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965565/640-Peachtree-Street-Atlanta-GA/

There is also this property that popped up 5 days ago as well, which would be an awesome location for a condo/hotel combo:
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18965538/236-Williams-Street-Atlanta-GA/

Owner would retain rights to run parking and give the development air rights to a developer to build something on top of the parking deck.

I know someone who was working on the previous apartment proposal (old Agatha's site at 690 Peachtree) and it wasn't the utilities being "too close to the surface" - utlities can get moved all the time. But it was a shared parking agreement/easement issue (mostly for the hotel valets) with the parking deck owner(s).

The shared ownership supposedly involves the Georgian Terrace and Hotel Indigo-which is complicated enough. The agreements would make it very difficult for an apartment project to convert to condos so the previous project became a "no-go" with stakeholders not coming to a shared agreement.

[GTdan]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

I know someone who was working on the previous apartment proposal (old Agatha's site at 690 Peachtree) and it wasn't the utilities being "too close to the surface" - utlities can get moved all the time. But it was a shared parking agreement/easement issue (mostly for the hotel valets) with the parking deck owner(s).

The shared ownership supposedly involves the Georgian Terrace and Hotel Indigo-which is complicated enough. The agreements would make it very difficult for an apartment project to convert to condos so the previous project became a "no-go" with stakeholders not coming to a shared agreement.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing about the utilities thing. Sure relocating utilities will add to the overall construction costs, but eventually projected profits outweigh the relocation costs. There is not a single lot in midtown that cannot be developed. It's all dependent on whether or not you can get a return on the investment.

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

I know someone who was working on the previous apartment proposal (old Agatha's site at 690 Peachtree) and it wasn't the utilities being "too close to the surface" - utlities can get moved all the time. But it was a shared parking agreement/easement issue (mostly for the hotel valets) with the parking deck owner(s).

The shared ownership supposedly involves the Georgian Terrace and Hotel Indigo-which is complicated enough. The agreements would make it very difficult for an apartment project to convert to condos so the previous project became a "no-go" with stakeholders not coming to a shared agreement.

Hopefully another developer will come along that is willing to develop the site with limited parking. Given its proximity to North Ave station, I don't see the need for every unit to have a parking space.

Obviously this has a lot to do with financing, but several residential buildings Downtown do not have parking and they are full. If a building can be kept full Downtown with no provided parking, Midtown, with even more amenities, should be able to do the same.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by Frankster87

Hopefully another developer will come along that is willing to develop the site with limited parking. Given its proximity to North Ave station, I don't see the need for every unit to have a parking space.

Obviously this has a lot to do with financing, but several residential buildings Downtown do not have parking and they are full. If a building can be kept full Downtown with no provided parking, Midtown, with even more amenities, should be able to do the same.

That is happening already. University House has 708 beds but only ~220 parking spaces and some are probably for public use in that 220.

[RocketSurgeon]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

That is happening already. University House has 708 beds but only ~220 parking spaces and some are probably for public use in that 220.

That's essentially a dorm. A very different context than regular housing.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Some new renders of B:A Phase 2

[Atlanta3000]

Additional Buckhead Atlanta Phase II Pics:
http://buckheadview.com/2015/08/05/buckh...ext-retailoffice-development-renderings/
Click on the linked story for higher resolution photos.

[arctk2014]

http://buckheadview.com/2015/08/05/npu-b-delays-to-september-votes-on-connect-atlanta-plan-changes/


Coming from the Buckhead NPU some of these statements don't surprise anyone really. But this attitude alone sums up why Buckhead will struggle to really compete with Midtown/Downtown when it comes to well-designed developments. This anti-transit, anti-cyclists attitude has got to stop.

::Also at the June meeting, some members of the NPU board had voiced strong concerns about the direction the Bike Atlanta plans were going and the placement of new bike lanes on existing major city thoroughfares, which reduces the travel capacity for motor vehicles. There was concern not just about the present changes proposed, but for the precedent they might set.

At the June meeting, Cosgrove voiced objection to the city’s plan to add bike lanes to major thoroughfares, including Peachtree Road in Buckhead. He said he has nothing against having bike routes in the city, but they should be routed through less dangerous areas and on less congested roadways.

“We have to decide do we want to ride bicycles or drive cars on Peachtree,” Cosgrove said. “I think this is really, really critical.”

At the Aug. 4 meeting, Cosgrove carried his concerns further and initially offered a motion for NPU-B to “disapprove” adoption of the Complete Streets ordinance. He likely also would have offered a motion to “disapprove” the Cycle Atlanta ordinance if the discussion had gone that far.

Board member France Campbell pointed out that the Complete Streets ordinance “follows GDOT’s (Georgia Department of Transportation) plan for complete streets” and apparently feels the NPU board should let the road engineers design the streets.

Board member Amy Hillman said she wanted to hear why people were against the Complete Streets ordinance.

Cosgrove replied, “Simply speaking, look at Pharr Road. We need to decide whether we are going to drive on streets in Buckhead or going to ride on bikes and streetcars. This is about the bicycle lobby,” he said. “I cannot drive my kids to baseball practice on a bicycle.

“This is almost about whether single family residences will continue to be viable,” Cosgrove added. “Plans that are afoot downtown are hostile to the way I live and the way most people in Buckhead live.”::

[Pemgin]

The crane at Modera is going up right now.

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

http://buckheadview.com/2015/08/05/npu-b-delays-to-september-votes-on-connect-atlanta-plan-changes/


Coming from the Buckhead NPU some of these statements don't surprise anyone really. But this attitude alone sums up why Buckhead will struggle to really compete with Midtown/Downtown when it comes to well-designed developments. This anti-transit, anti-cyclists attitude has got to stop.

::Also at the June meeting, some members of the NPU board had voiced strong concerns about the direction the Bike Atlanta plans were going and the placement of new bike lanes on existing major city thoroughfares, which reduces the travel capacity for motor vehicles. There was concern not just about the present changes proposed, but for the precedent they might set.

At the June meeting, Cosgrove voiced objection to the city’s plan to add bike lanes to major thoroughfares, including Peachtree Road in Buckhead. He said he has nothing against having bike routes in the city, but they should be routed through less dangerous areas and on less congested roadways.

“We have to decide do we want to ride bicycles or drive cars on Peachtree,” Cosgrove said. “I think this is really, really critical.”

At the Aug. 4 meeting, Cosgrove carried his concerns further and initially offered a motion for NPU-B to “disapprove” adoption of the Complete Streets ordinance. He likely also would have offered a motion to “disapprove” the Cycle Atlanta ordinance if the discussion had gone that far.

Board member France Campbell pointed out that the Complete Streets ordinance “follows GDOT’s (Georgia Department of Transportation) plan for complete streets” and apparently feels the NPU board should let the road engineers design the streets.

Board member Amy Hillman said she wanted to hear why people were against the Complete Streets ordinance.

Cosgrove replied, “Simply speaking, look at Pharr Road. We need to decide whether we are going to drive on streets in Buckhead or going to ride on bikes and streetcars. This is about the bicycle lobby,” he said. “I cannot drive my kids to baseball practice on a bicycle.

“This is almost about whether single family residences will continue to be viable,” Cosgrove added. “Plans that are afoot downtown are hostile to the way I live and the way most people in Buckhead live.”::

They are creating a false dichotomy with their arguments. Heaven forbid his lifestyle be disrupted for the sake of a more inclusive transportation system.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/mixe...-for-massive-midtown-redevelopment-48782

Permits filed for "52 Seventeen Peachtree"

This project:

[RobMidtowner]

Don't they already have bike lanes on Peachtree? It can work if designed correctly, but Atlanta has such a patchwork of poorly designed bike facilities. It's a shame and this is why it happens. Too many competing interests.

[testarossa50]

Not in most of Buckhead. It's generally 3 lanes of cars in each direction with no turn lanes. Pretty disastrous outcome: the vast majority of traffic goes to the middle lane, with more aggressive drivers pushing the to right and left lanes to surge ahead of cars before darting into the middle to avoid MARTA/a biker/a left or right turner. Having two lanes in either direction, a turn lane in the middle, and right turn lanes where possible, will facilitate traffic flow and also create space for real sidewalks and a bike lane.