The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[cdnguys]

Area 911 is moving to the area behind the former police station on Somerset St. adjacent to Crescent Valley/Anglin Drive. Residents not happy. In a couple months they’ll start “House of Merit” 12 unit targeted housing on the cleared lot.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Area 911 is moving to the area behind the former police station on Somerset St. adjacent to Crescent Valley/Anglin Drive. Residents not happy. In a couple months they’ll start “House of Merit” 12 unit targeted housing on the cleared lot.

Sorry, but who (or what) is Area 911? Something connected to the homeless i assume?

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Sorry, but who (or what) is Area 911? Something connected to the homeless i assume?

Container village between Waterloo and exmouth - area for unhoused and distribution depot for stolen bikes.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Container village between Waterloo and exmouth - area for unhoused and distribution depot for stolen bikes.

Ah, thought that might be it but Google just returned a bunch of stuff about the Saint John 911 dispatch centre and public safety.

Millidgeville Superstore will need to add barbed wire and guard towers to their gates, railings and plexiglass walls.

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Area 911 is moving to the area behind the former police station on Somerset St. adjacent to Crescent Valley/Anglin Drive. Residents not happy. In a couple months they’ll start “House of Merit” 12 unit targeted housing on the cleared lot.

PID?

+1 on the area nickname. brilliant....

[Gnarly]

Well said!

[darkharbour]

While I agree with, and am quite tired of, the reality that Saint Johners can be particularly bad at questioning change, skepticism of success, or of any new idea in general, I think we need to put that into perspective. We are talking about basically the only [at one time] large city in the country that has stagnated and shrunk over a period of well over a century now, in part due to external forces very much outside of its control. Comparing the attitudes of generational residents of Saint John to most other cities in the country is grossly unfair IMO, because their histories do not align in any way.

You have no doubt heard the expression, "once bitten, twice shy," and that very much applies to Saint John.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by darkharbour

While I agree with, and am quite tired of, the reality that Saint Johners can be particularly bad at questioning change, skepticism of success, or of any new idea in general, I think we need to put that into perspective. We are talking about basically the only [at one time] large city in the country that has stagnated and shrunk over a period of well over a century now, in part due to external forces very much outside of its control. Comparing the attitudes of generational residents of Saint John to most other cities in the country is grossly unfair IMO, because their histories do not align in any way.

You have no doubt heard the expression, "once bitten, twice shy," and that very much applies to Saint John.

Very fair point. As a life long resident I can recall lots of big announcements and grand schemes being hyped that (mostly) came to nothing. Many Saint Johner's have a built in "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude as a result.

[DyAm00394]

A 3-storey apartment building with 51-units, is proposed for 949 Grandview Avenue. The applicant is 3D Property Management Inc, and the landowner is Grandview Residences Inc.





https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeeting...cumentId=18441

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Very fair point. As a life long resident I can recall lots of big announcements and grand schemes being hyped that (mostly) came to nothing. Many Saint Johner's have a built in "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude as a result.

That’s not a great attitude, though, and when it’s a shared, collective attitude held by many in the city and region, it holds us all back. It wouldn’t kill people to be more optimistic or dare to dream of a better city. As Steve Jobs said, those who are crazy enough to think they can change things are the ones who actually do. Saint John and the surrounding area is full of people way too quick to say why something can’t or won’t happen.

What many of y’all call realism, others see as negativity and cynicism.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

PID?

+1 on the area nickname. brilliant....

Grabbed off of a Facebook posting someone did on posting about state of affairs with crime

[cdnguys]

Just a visual reminder how awesome Saint John’s natural beauty is and how we have no peers in NB that can match this. Halifax has similar view, minus the rolling hills. We have the best boating on the east coast. This particular neighborhood out east has a lot of new activity, with new foundations and at least 10 lots being cleared for construction

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

That’s not a great attitude, though, and when it’s a shared, collective attitude held by many in the city and region, it holds us all back. It wouldn’t kill people to be more optimistic or dare to dream of a better city. As Steve Jobs said, those who are crazy enough to think they can change things are the ones who actually do. Saint John and the surrounding area is full of people way too quick to say why something can’t or won’t happen.

What many of y’all call realism, others see as negativity and cynicism.

And what you call optimism and "daring to dream" others may sometimes see as wild eyed dreaming, impractical, improbable and completely unrealistic.

It's all a matter of degree and perspective I guess.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

A 3-storey apartment building with 51-units, is proposed for 949 Grandview Avenue. The applicant is 3D Property Management Inc, and the landowner is Grandview Residences Inc.





https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeeting...cumentId=18441

Looks about as basic as you can get.....and that's a good thing. Hopefully the rents will be more affordable for lower income people.

Places like the Venetian or the Vistas are nice but there is a big need for a lower price point too.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Just a visual reminder how awesome Saint John’s natural beauty is and how we have no peers in NB that can match this. Halifax has similar view, minus the rolling hills. We have the best boating on the east coast. This particular neighborhood out east has a lot of new activity, with new foundations and at least 10 lots being cleared for construction

Drury Cove seemed to have stalled for a few years but PAOL has a LOT of recent subdivision and construction:

Somebody finally bought this semi-detatched lot/foundation last summer https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06882337

2022 had 11 Deer Glen, and 2023 had 30 Deer Glen, get built, filling the cul de sac https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=05811113
77 Shoreline is also a 2023 build https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06712443

131 Shoreline u/c this tax year https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06829478

These lots were recently split off from the larger vacant land PID and sold:
Fox Point Dr https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06918950 and https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06939095
Osprey Terr https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=05794573
Deer Glen https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06905355 and https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06933926
Fox Point/Deer Glen https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06939095
Shoreline https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06938756 and https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06911607

Does anyone have the full planned subdivision map? I assume they want to fill in this discontiguous section https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06939087 before moving north https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=06911592 but an eventual connection to both Post Rd and Mount Loyal (probably easier) would open up a ton of prime land. I don't think the south side of Drury Cove https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v...n&pan=05427079 is owned by the same developers but if the city wants serious property tax revenue they should encourage extending Crowley Rd through it.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by sailor734

And what you call optimism and "daring to dream" others may sometimes see as wild eyed dreaming, impractical, improbable and completely unrealistic.

It's all a matter of degree and perspective I guess.

Ok boomer lol jk, jk

I think it’s a matter of generations. But even you’d like to see luxury condo towers go up. Not sure why we can’t get the 20 storey affordable apartment buildings first tho. SJ has some of the best potential for oceanfront views in the country, but let’s keep prioritizing 6 storey builds.

I get you want to keep it realistic, but what’s the realistic number of affordable rental units that need to be built to keep people staying in NB. Because unless you get a good job in SJ, there’s no point staying here versus going to Toronto or Montreal. SJ used to be a value, now it’s mainly overpriced small centre.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Looks about as basic as you can get.....and that's a good thing. Hopefully the rents will be more affordable for lower income people.

Places like the Venetian or the Vistas are nice but there is a big need for a lower price point too.

Seems pretty squarely aimed at industrial park workers and NBCC students.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Ok boomer lol jk, jk

I think it’s a matter of generations. But even you’d like to see luxury condo towers go up. Not sure why we can’t get the 20 storey affordable apartment buildings first tho. SJ has some of the best potential for oceanfront views in the country, but let’s keep prioritizing 6 storey builds.

I get you want to keep it realistic, but what’s the realistic number of affordable rental units that need to be built to keep people staying in NB. Because unless you get a good job in SJ, there’s no point staying here versus going to Toronto or Montreal. SJ used to be a value, now it’s mainly overpriced small centre.

Given land costs and availability I suspect multiple 4-6 story wood frame buildings make more economic sense that a 20+ story tower when it comes to affordability.

Also, it seems to me that most 20-30 story residential buildings in other cities tend to be condominium, a housing type that (so far) has failed to gain traction in Saint John.

[JakeNB]

So many projects have been announced but just don’t happen:
I can think of a few recent ones - Landmark, Ethos Ridge, Crown/Leinster, Queen Sq. N, St. Vincent’s, Waterloo.. The list goes on. No wonder folks are skeptical and have a “believe it when I see it” attitude.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by JakeNB

So many projects have been announced but just don’t happen:
I can think of a few recent ones - Landmark, Ethos Ridge, Crown/Leinster, Queen Sq. N, St. Vincent’s, Waterloo.. The list goes on. No wonder folks are skeptical and have a “believe it when I see it” attitude.

My Moncton friend said they have a lot of announced apartment buildings with no follow through yet so not just us. St V is not dead - they worked on roof and now developing plans. I believe industrial chic on Waterloo (don’t know project name) and Barrack Green will be starting somewhat soon.