Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity - Page 74

Acajack · #**1461** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

people still say ''un roteux'' as in '' jva t'prendre 2 roteux, 1 patate frite pi 1 Coke.

"Deux roteux pis une graisseuse"

lio45 · #**1462** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:46 PM**

"2 ot-dogs, 1 frite pis 1 Coke" is how you'd say it in my neck of the woods.

("My neck of the woods" being southeastern Quebec, east of Mtl.)

Acajack · #**1463** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

"2 ot-dogs, 1 frite pis 1 Coke" is how you'd say it in my neck of the woods.

("My neck of the woods" being southeastern Quebec, east of Mtl.)

Yes, a lot of these expressions we are referring to are extremely colloquial, even caricatural at this point.

If people still use them it's often only to joke around.

Here in Gatineau people would say it the exact same way as above.

p_xavier · #**1464** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

You notice the “eur” thing in the Bois-Francs region of Quebec (Victoriaville area). Hamburger is pronounced “hamburg-eur”, Not sure how it goes from there, and if it’s a constant thing all the way to Quebec City and Saguenay or if the distribution is rather uneven, but it is clearly a thing in that area and I believe as far south as Asbestos. However go south of Asbestos and it’s pronounced “hamburger”. It’s also pronounced “hamburger” in all of SW Quebec.

Des ouipeurs hahaha.

Acajack · #**1465** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:51 PM**

Chien chaud for hot dog AFAIK never really caught on.

It did appear on menus for sure, and hawkers at Habs and Expos games would yell "chien chaud! 'ot dug!" (along with "bière! beer!" of course), but very few people used it in regular speech.

le calmar · #**1466** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:54 PM**

About 10 years ago I remember seeing a couple of of restaurants in Montreal announcing they were selling “chien chauds”, but I’m not sure it was serious. Either an attempt at humour, or those signs were very old. Anyone that calls them “chien chaud” today is 100% joking.

lio45 · #**1467** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Yes, a lot of these expressions we are referring to are extremely colloquial, even caricatural at this point.

If people still use them it's often only to joke around.

Here in Gatineau people would say it the exact same way as above.

I think most people nowadays, if they say "roteux", would say it jokingly. (It would work, of course; your order would be understood.)

Acajack · #**1468** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 6:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

About 10 years ago I remember seeing a couple of of restaurants in Montreal announcing they were selling “chien chauds”, but I’m not sure it was serious. Either an attempt at humour, or those signs were very old. Anyone that calls them “chien chaud” today is 100% joking.

It might persist on some old menus like this with old worn and yellow letters that haven't been changed in decades:

https://tremblantrestaurants.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/menu1-2.jpg

lio45 · #**1469** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by p_xavier

Des ouipeurs hahaha.

Pretty sure that's still the universal name for those. I'd feel alien using the correct term (des essuie-glaces).

Which now that I think about it, makes no sense; these brushes usually wipe away rain/water, or else snow. If your "ouinsheer" is icy, then don't try to operate the wipers. They won't be able to wipe ice away!

Loco101 · #**1470** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

"2 ot-dogs, 1 frite pis 1 Coke" is how you'd say it in my neck of the woods.

("My neck of the woods" being southeastern Quebec, east of Mtl.)

A francophone in Timmins would order the exact same way. We have francophone oriented restaurants here such as the Broadway Diner or Restaurant Nadeau that serve mainly french-speaking customers. They do give you a feeling that you are in a small family-owned independent family restaurant in Quebec with decent prices. I like how the pizza and Italian dishes are Quebec-style which is a nice change from what you normally get in Ontario.

Many restaurants in Timmins including the ones I mentioned are supplied by Deshaies, a company located in Amos, Quebec so there are even many minor things that are just like in Quebec. One example are the paper Bienvenue /Welcome placemats that I've seen throughout Quebec.

Here are some photos from the Restaurant Nadeau Facebook page.

Can you name what's on the first dish and what the second dish is?

Acajack · #**1471** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Pretty sure that's still the universal name for those. I'd feel alien using the correct term (des essuie-glaces).

So if you went into Canadian Tire looking for wiper blades, you'd ask the guy for "des ouipeurs"?

I'd feel like I was slumming it if I used that term in that context. Especially given what I look like. Guess I am a snob!

I'd say "des balais d'essuie-glace" if asking at Canadian Tire, though sure goofing around in a garage with a buddy I might drop a "wye-peux" now and then.

To me it would be like going into a licensed cannabis store in Ontario and asking for "Mary Jane"!

Acajack · #**1472** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Pretty sure that's still the universal name for those. I'd feel alien using the correct term (des essuie-glaces).

Which now that I think about it, makes no sense; these brushes usually wipe away rain/water, or else snow. If your "ouinsheer" is icy, then don't try to operate the wipers. They won't be able to wipe ice away!

"Glace" in this case doesn't refer to ice, but the window glass itself.

At least that was always my understanding.

lio45 · #**1473** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

"Glace" in this case doesn't refer to ice, but the window glass itself.

At least that was always my understanding.

Lol, of course!

Can you tell I'm having a tough day? I haven't been this brain-dead in a long time.

Also totally clears up how come I was puzzled earlier that I had never realized this before in my life: it's because I always knew that the name made perfect sense (glace being the vitre) until I managed to forget it earlier today.

lio45 · #**1474** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

A francophone in Timmins would order the exact same way. We have francophone oriented restaurants here such as the Broadway Diner or Restaurant Nadeau that serve mainly french-speaking customers. They do give you a feeling that you are in a small family-owned independent family restaurant in Quebec with decent prices. I like how the pizza and Italian dishes are Quebec-style which is a nice change from what you normally get in Ontario.

Here are some photos from the Restaurant Nadeau Facebook page.

Can you name what's on the first dish and what the second dish is?

Second one is a breakfast classic (poutine déjeuner), but the first one looks like Anglo food to me. Some sort of ragoût de boeuf with beans and cole slaw.

lio45 · #**1475** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

So if you went into Canadian Tire looking for wiper blades, you'd ask the guy for "des ouipeurs"?

I'd feel like I was slumming it if I used that term in that context. Especially given what I look like. Guess I am a snob!

Normally I'm on your side with using the correct French-from-France Snob Terms in most occasions, but on that one I'd be on the fence. Thankfully, I know exactly where to find the wipers at Canadian Tire, so, moot point

Some items are behind-the-counter though, so one has to ask. "J'aurais besoin d'un joint de culasse pour un VW 1.9 ... ... Un gasket de tête."

Acajack · #**1476** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Lol, of course!

Can you tell I'm having a tough day? I haven't been this brain-dead in a long time.

Also totally clears up how come I was puzzled earlier that I had never realized this before in my life: it's because I always knew that the name made perfect sense (glace being the vitre) until I managed to forget it earlier today.

Almost glad to hear that even you have tough days sometimes!

Acajack · #**1477** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Normally I'm on your side with using the correct French-from-France Snob Terms in most occasions, but on that one I'd be on the fence. Thankfully, I know exactly where to find the wipers at Canadian Tire, so, moot point

Some items are behind-the-counter though, so one has to ask. "J'aurais besoin d'un joint de culasse pour un VW 1.9 ... ... Un gasket de tête."

Oh. I am not very mechanical so that's probably what I'd say too!

Acajack · #**1478** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Second one is a breakfast classic (poutine déjeuner), but the first one looks like Anglo food to me. Some sort of ragoût de boeuf with beans and cole slaw.

In the first one I also see a slice of tourtière or pâté à la viande, with fèves au lard and betteraves. Also a ball of mashed potato.

In the cup near the top it could be cole slaw (salade de chou) or maybe even cretons. I can't really say for sure.

begratto · #**1479** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Pretty sure that's still the universal name for those. I'd feel alien using the correct term (des essuie-glaces).

Really? In my circle of friends and family, everyone calls wipers "essuie-glaces".

lio45 · #**1480** Posted **Mar 25, 2022, 7:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by begratto

Really? In my circle of friends and family, everyone calls wipers "essuie-glaces".

I might have more mechanically-inclined circles than you...

Out of curiosity:

Pare-chocs ou "bumper"?
Pare-brise ou "windshield"?
Pompe à carburant/pompe de gavage ou "Pompe à gaz"?
"Mettre du gaz" ou de l'essence?
Capot ou "hood"?
Réservoir à essence ou "tinque à gaz"?

I'm pretty sure even your OQLF Circles have their limitations!