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[Kodii]

I'm also not claiming that Nathan is innocent. He is definitely guilty and is deserving of punishment.

Here is the CBC report for those of you who want to watch the video:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/17/calgary-vancouver-riot-athlete.html

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Kodii

No where in the report did his parents claim his innocence. His father simply stated that the photo is misleading, and that Nathan didn't light the car on fire (the car was already on fire). Don't be so quick to jump to judgement about his parents. I know them and it's unfair to take their words out of context. The same report also quotes the father saying that they are turning Nathan into police.

that's not the way CBC portayed it - they said they are handing over the footage to the police to deal with the kid basically - they said look at his shoes and you can see... well the picture when he is at the gas tanks lighting it doesn't show the car on fire already when that failed he threw something flaming into the car - regardless if it was on fire or not he participated in it all and for them to say he did nothing is a joke

i parapharased but i still think his parents are idiots when the pictures and video clearly showing their little boy lighting a car on fire

and they really have no choice but to turn the kid in

other parents have been doing the same today

[SpongeG]

I will add maybe its a little irresponsible for CBC to show where this family lives but that kid is one of the most hated people in Canada right now

[whatnext]

Interesting, it looks like Chief Chu is asking the city to reconsider these kind of mass events. Wonder if Gregor will try to punt him for daring to question his judgement:

Rioting has become so inevitable at mass gatherings of people that it may be time to reconsider even staging events that bring more than 100,000 people onto downtown streets, says Vancouver Police Chief Jim Chu.

“That is something that we’ll look at,” Chu said, after Wednesday’s Stanley Cup mayhem saw nearly 100 arrests and nine police officers injured as stores were looted and 15 vehicles set ablaze.

He said that, despite the “best efforts” of police forces elsewhere in the world, including those with vastly more manpower, “riots still occur.”...
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/artic...utdoor-events-in-wake-of-vancouver-riots

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by mr.x

I don't really post that much here these days, but I'll share briefly my experience....I don't know about all of you, but I really didn't see this coming. I thought we had moved way past 1994, and of course, we also had the Olympics. If you saw images on tv of people climbing up the traffic light post, I was about 20 metres east of that on West Georgia, and others were climbing trees. It was like watching the 1994 videos all over again, that's how it began exactly. You could feel a riot brewing even when the third period began, people were becoming agitated. Me and my friends started to leave 8 minutes before the game ended, and by the 2 minute mark we made it to the rear of the already leaving crowd.

We heard explosions, what sounded like fireworks and firecrackers. We looked back while standing in front of the BMO and in the distance, the tv screen went dark and there was some smoke -- possibly from the burning bear, I don't think they hadn't blown up the car yet. A fight in front of the toilets near Homer broke out. When we walked to Seymour, and there were many other friendlies sensing the ugliness about to happen, there were like a dozen officers holding cameras and walking towards what would be ground zero. When we got to TD Tower/Howe, I looked up and saw a RCMP helicopter hovering directly above me as if it were surveying something. We got to Burrard Street at around 8.15 and had dinner there, we didn't think it would get THAT bad.

To keep it short...like many of you, there are few words that can express my sadness. I've come to this forum to discuss how we can keep improving this city. For much of yesterday and that evening, I lost all hope in this city. But seeing all those volunteers still working at 3 pm, and what's like tens of thousands of messages on the boarded up windows in the area....that was truly inspiring.

Where do we go from here? We recovered from all of this last time, but it took us nearly 17 years and a lot of money (a.k.a. the Olympics). I personally don't have that patience. Most likely, we're going to crawl back into becoming the No-Fun-City that we are. In so many ways, we just aren't capable of it. The "No-Fun" Millennium Celebration at Science World on December 31, 1999 was a legacy of 1994.

It'll be interesting to see how we'll deal with Vancouver 125 at Stanley Park next month, the Celebration of Light, and November's Grey Cup.

Adios, Vancouver.

No, Vancouver, we have not matured, we are not more cosmopolitan. Best Place on Earth? World-Class City? Can we please stop with that BS now? Did 1994 teach us nothing? Were we really so naive to think that the Olympics elevated us to a higher state of mind? It's time to shake off that touchy/feely post-Olympic afterglow and grow the hell up. If returning to common sense makes us a so-called no-fun city again then so be it. I'd rather have a no-fun city than a trashed city. And where did this no-fun reputation come from anyway? I don't rely on my city to supply the fun, I can make my own fun. It's called going out to bars and restaurants and movies, hanging out with friends, pursuing hobbies and other personal interests. I don't expect the city to hand me my entertainment on a silver platter, they never get it right anyway. I'd rather see money spent on infrastructure, improved public transportation, green space, public safety… things that improve the quality of life for everyone. Can't that be fun? Public events are short-term feel-good moments that can be costly, sometimes damaging, and bring little long-term value. I'm not saying we shouldn't have any events at all, but let's be realistic. Inviting 100,000 people downtown to participate in an emotionally charged event is not realistic, it's risky… and definitely no-fun.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by invisibleairwaves

Here's a fantastic article on Roberto Luongo from the awesome Canucks blog Pass It To Bulis.

I'm mixed on Luongo. I used to defend him a lot, but Game 6.. ouch. He was basically responsible for all 3 wins, and the first 3 losses in the finals. Pulled twice... he's still having trouble shaking the "big game choke" label.

[invisibleairwaves]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'm mixed on Luongo. I used to defend him a lot, but Game 6.. ouch. He was basically responsible for all 3 wins, and the first 3 losses in the finals. Pulled twice... he's still having trouble shaking the "big game choke" label.

I wouldn't call him responsible for the first 3 losses at all, considering the team only scored 3 goals total in those games, all of them long after the games were already pretty much decided. You can't win when you don't score, no matter how good the goaltending is on your end. Just look at the Nashville Predators. Would anyone in their right mind blame Pekka Rinne for losing that series? The blame has to go to the whole team, not just Luongo, and saying that he should be replaced by Schneider (as some have already done in this thread) is insane.

[giallo]

Conrad, Vancouver's called a No Fun City because it's almost impossible for regular people to throw events here. Permits, liquor licenses etc. are all extremely difficult (and expensive) to obtain. Here in Shanghai, someone can have an art show, a movie screening, a fashion show and use the money from liquor sales to help pay for the space they rented and for the staff. It's straight-forward and easy. Try doing that in Vancouver. It does get done, but people usually risk heavy fines by selling drinks (even non-alcoholic) without permits. This has nothing to do with what the city provides us in the form of entertainment, it's how difficult they make it to provide it for ourselves.

Seriously, talk to any promoter in Vancouver about putting on events and the difficulties they have to go through. The ones that do stay and don't leave for greener (and easier) pastures, do so because they love the city and don't want to give up on it, hoping for some sort of change.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Conrad

I'd rather see money spent on infrastructure, improved public transportation, green space, public safety… things that improve the quality of life for everyone. Can't that be fun?

Riding the Skytrain aint fun. I'll take a riot every 20 years over a police state, thank you very much.

Moving on to next year... I would really like to see a legitimate winger play on Keslers line. Kesler seems like the true leader of the team and he deserves to be on the top line.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by giallo

Conrad, Vancouver's called a No Fun City because it's almost impossible for regular people to throw events here. Permits, liquor licenses etc. are all extremely difficult (and expensive) to obtain. Here in Shanghai, someone can have an art show, a movie screening, a fashion show and use the money from liquor sales to help pay for the space they rented and for the staff. It's straight-forward and easy. Try doing that in Vancouver. It does get done, but people usually risk heavy fines by selling drinks (even non-alcoholic) without permits. This has nothing to do with what the city provides us in the form of entertainment, it's how difficult they make it to provide it for ourselves.

Seriously, talk to any promoter in Vancouver about putting on events and the difficulties they have to go through. The ones that do stay and don't leave for greener (and easier) pastures, do so because they love the city and don't want to give up on it, hoping for some sort of change.

That's exactly right. You have summed-up the meaning of "No Fun City" very well.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by giallo

Conrad, Vancouver's called a No Fun City because it's almost impossible for regular people to throw events here. Permits, liquor licenses etc. are all extremely difficult (and expensive) to obtain. Here in Shanghai, someone can have an art show, a movie screening, a fashion show and use the money from liquor sales to help pay for the space they rented and for the staff. It's straight-forward and easy. Try doing that in Vancouver. It does get done, but people usually risk heavy fines by selling drinks (even non-alcoholic) without permits. This has nothing to do with what the city provides us in the form of entertainment, it's how difficult they make it to provide it for ourselves.

Seriously, talk to any promoter in Vancouver about putting on events and the difficulties they have to go through. The ones that do stay and don't leave for greener (and easier) pastures, do so because they love the city and don't want to give up on it, hoping for some sort of change.

Fair enough, and I totally agree. But he's talking about events like Vancouver 125 at Stanley Park, the Celebration of Light, November's Grey Cup and so-on. These aren't the smaller, artier events you talk about – an entirely different issue, though completely valid. Events like that generally appeal to a "hipper", more savvy crowd. They don't attract random hooligans looking to cause trouble – which seems to be the issue here.

[Some guy]

Not sure if this has already been posted, but I found it hella funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2OC_uRNrI

At least a little bit of comedy comes out of this riot. . .

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Fair enough, and I totally agree. But he's talking about events like Vancouver 125 at Stanley Park, the Celebration of Light, November's Grey Cup and so-on. These aren't the smaller, artier events you talk about – an entirely different issue, though completely valid. Events like that generally appeal to a "hipper", more savvy crowd. They don't attract random hooligans looking to cause trouble – which seems to be the issue here.

I wasn't talking about having more events like Vancouver 125, the fireworks, and the Grey Cup...rather I was wondering to what extent the riots would affect the planning for those events.

Artier events? No, thanks. We already have tons of those, we could diversify what we have in terms of entertainment. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more big events either.

And if we had it your way, which is basically a completely dead city, I'd move the hell away right after. Many have already given up for greener pastures.

As an event planner, I can also attest to the comments others have made on Vancouver being a very difficult place to plan events of any kind.


Either way, where were all these critics BEFORE the big final game? It's always easy to point out mistakes and be a critic when you've got hindsight in your hands...


Anyway, a lot of Louis Vutton and high-end brand name merchandise is showing up on craigslist...and guess where most of the seller's are located....
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/clo?query=Louis+Vuitton&srchType=A&minAsk&maxAsk

[Overground]

Originally Posted by vancityrox

The floor is gonna go through renovations starting at the end of this month. Making room for more brands like Topman. etc

Is Topman going to happen for sure, and when? I knew about Topshop but was hoping for the men's.

[agrant]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Anyway, a lot of Louis Vutton and high-end brand name merchandise is showing up on craigslist...and guess where most of the seller's are located....
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/clo?query=Louis+Vuitton&srchType=A&minAsk&maxAsk

Is that the date the ads were posted on the left hand side? Seems like most of it was posted before...

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by Some guy

Not sure if this has already been posted, but I found it hella funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2OC_uRNrI

At least a little bit of comedy comes out of this riot. . .

This contest is over! Give that man $10,000!

The grenade. His groin. It works on so many levels.

Roll it again.

p.s. yeah, its been posted before and a heated debate raged for a bit over if it was too extreme or not (with me on the side hoping he spends the next 20 years hunched over in pain).

[logan5]

You're a fascist.

[BCPhil]

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[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by logan5

You're a fascist.

No, I just have zero respect for anyone that hangs out at a riot. When people do stupid things, stupid things happen to them.

I was downtown, and I stayed away from the riot, and my balls are intact. He chose to be there while a riot was happening close enough that the police could lob a stun grenade at him. I have no sympathy for him (or his perhaps elusive chances at having children).

[logan5]

Just kidding. You're not a fascist. I was honestly quite fascinated to watch this display of human behavior.