stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C

[s211]

Originally Posted by Trainguy

With Horgan fronting the money for the PB, don't count out the 6 lane option. The government doesn't just hand over money without having a say in what is being built. Until a bid for a certain design has been put to tender, anything is possible.

But with New West being NDP ground zero, I just can't see it happening. And that makes me sad.

[Zassk]

The Vancouver Sun article repeatedly calls it a 4 lane bridge for $1.4 billion. Are we not getting the expandability to 6 lanes?

[Feathered Friend]

B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge
The province will also take over operations from TransLink as project is expected to be complete in 2023.
By Justin McElroy, CBC News Posted: Feb 16, 2018 9:33 AM PT Last Updated: Feb 16, 2018 10:17 AM PT

The B.C. government will build a new replacement for the Pattullo Bridge, with construction scheduled to begin in the summer of 2019 and completion slated for 2023.
Premier John Horgan made the announcement this morning on the new $1.3-billion bridge during a press conference at the foot of the Pattullo Bridge...


The bridge will have four lanes of traffic for vehicles, a median in the middle, and separate dedicated lanes on either side for cyclists and pedestrians, according to the government.
There will be room in the design to expand to six lanes if necessary, but the province doesn't believe that will need to happen.
"We don't believe based on traffic flows today … that it will be required in the long term," said Horgan, referencing the fact that traffic on the bridge has decreased since tolls were eliminated on the nearby Port Mann Bridge.
It will also be funded entirely by the provincial government, from a budgeted $14.6 billion capital infrastructure plan scheduled for the next three years....


The provincial government will be solely responsible for the design, building and financing of the bridge, and will have to dispose of the existing bridge, said Horgan

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pattullo-bridge-bc-announcement-1.4538939

[WarrenC12]

Any idea what else has been announced so far from the $14.6B Capital Fund referenced?

So MOTI will take over the Patullo completely. Have they also done the same with the GEB after the tolls were removed? I never read an official statement on the finances of that bridge after the announcement.

[Klazu]

How can this tiny bridge cost $1.4 billion? Are those bikelanes made out of gold?

Even Port Mann Bridge came in cheaper and that also included removing the old bridge. The price tag on these infra projects has become impossible. Someone's making a bank on taxpayers' expense...

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Klazu

How can this tiny bridge cost $1.4 billion? Are those bikelanes made out of gold?

Even Port Mann Bridge came in cheaper and that also included removing the old bridge. The price tag on these infra projects has become impossible. Someone's making a bank on taxpayers' expense...

It's a combination of inflation and the expenses of construction companies, who typically raise their rates quicker than inflation. The number I used to hear about the Pattullo replacement was $1b, but that would have assumed construction would have started a couple of years ago. That said, a 30% increase is a bit much, I wonder if they are thinking of throwing more in than what's been designed (like a proper connection to the SFPR).

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by Klazu

How can this tiny bridge cost $1.4 billion? Are those bikelanes made out of gold?

Even Port Mann Bridge came in cheaper and that also included removing the old bridge. The price tag on these infra projects has become impossible. Someone's making a bank on taxpayers' expense...

I'd rather have a more accurate "generous" budget up front for the PB than what happened with the PMB project.
Even if there are cost over-runs I'd prefer any more transparent process than what happened for the PMB.

The B.C. government overpaid millions for the Port Mann Bridge project because there was no rigorous verification of invoicing, timing and completion of work, according to the opinion of six sources at two separate auditing firms and hundreds of documents leaked to CBC News.

CBC has also learned that the province ignored some of its own rules around tendering and oversight.

And the man B.C. appointed to be in charge of the project, Gary Webster, also later became a partner with the private firm hired to both manage and audit the project.

......

The bridge was to be built under a fixed-price contract. If any extra, unforeseen work was needed, both sides would have to agree to a change order.

Change orders are common on big infrastructure projects. On the Port Mann project there were more than 130 such orders for $300 million in extra work.

New figures obtained by the CBC show the contractor was paid a total of $572 million above the fixed price.

[Colin4567]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

It's a combination of inflation and the expenses of construction companies, who typically raise their rates quicker than inflation. The number I used to hear about the Pattullo replacement was $1b, but that would have assumed construction would have started a couple of years ago. That said, a 30% increase is a bit much, I wonder if they are thinking of throwing more in than what's been designed (like a proper connection to the SFPR).

I think I read somewhere that a new SFPR connection is part of the bridge's budget

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

It's a combination of inflation and the expenses of construction companies, who typically raise their rates quicker than inflation. The number I used to hear about the Pattullo replacement was $1b, but that would have assumed construction would have started a couple of years ago. That said, a 30% increase is a bit much, I wonder if they are thinking of throwing more in than what's been designed (like a proper connection to the SFPR).

Direct connection to Hwy 17 was mentioned in the scope, so yes the $1.3B here should be compared to the overall costs of other bridges, including on/off ramps and local connections that need to be re-done.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Colin4567

I think I read somewhere that a new SFPR connection is part of the bridge's budget

Ah yeah I forgot that was always part of it, with upgrades and an interchange near where the current Scott Road exit is.

There's already a provincial government page for the project, and as to be expected it's pretty bare-bones for now, but they do have a bunch of documents up, including a Cost Report and a Business Case.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Hah. Read the work business case.

The recommended plan is essentially the same as the current bridge with one ramp to allow movement to the SFPR heading west. 1 ramp coming off!

Nothing going coming from or going the east on the NFPR without traffic lights.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Hah. Read the work business case.

The recommended plan is essentially the same as the current bridge with one ramp to allow movement to the SFPR heading west. 1 ramp coming off!

Nothing going coming from or going the east on the NFPR without traffic lights.

That’s disappointing, this is the perfect opportunity to upgrade the SFPR near the Pattullo to freeflow standards.

The previous plan around 6 years ago had the Bridgeview drive intersection becoming an interchange (with freeflow connections to the new Pattullo).

This 1.3 - 1.6 (seen 3 different prices now between this range) is awfully high for the scope of the project.

Also like how it’s feels that they are trying to weasel out of the 6 lane expansion capability (which again, it should honestly open as with the outer lanes being add / drop)

But in the end, seems to be no real change in design and scope from the most recent proposal already known (so far).

[Metro-One]

Edit to the above, just looking over the updated February 2018 reference schematic.

It is not the best resolution but in reference to the prior designs:

New West side of the project appears to be the same.

Potential good news on the SFPR, the Old Yale road traffic light may be removed and replaced with a grade separated underpass / overpass along with the railway spur (though that is less clear to tell from the image). Keep in mind I could be wrong regarding both, as again the image has low resolution.

Now the bad news, it seems that the entire Surrey side will be largely unchanged with the project essentially ending where the bridge deck lands. This is a major downgrade in project scope.

[Metro-One]

Okay, so here are the old renderings for the south approach that have been the geneneral approved plan for the last couple years:

p3 by Ian, on Flickr


p4 by Ian, on Flickr

Now... here is the potential new plan (this is the February 2018 schematic found in the new business case. This is a major downgrade in this area:

Patullo2 by Ian, on Flickr

The only bright side is the potential Old Yale Road separation on the SFPR (maybe someone can read this schematic better than I can). On second look the rail spur is still at grade

Here is the old north side:

p5 by Ian, on Flickr

p6 by Ian, on Flickr

Which looks to be exactly the same in the new February 2018 document:

Patullo3 by Ian, on Flickr

And the full image

Patullo1 by Ian, on Flickr

Again, seems a little light for 1.4 billion (it is only 4 lanes)

[officedweller]

Here are the 4 Options considered from the Strategic Options Analysis here:

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sites/331/2018/02/Strategic-Options-Analysis.pdf

Apparently, they are proceeding with Option 3 as the recommended option.
The old renderings of the Surrey side posted by Metro-One appear to be Option 4.


https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sites/331/2018/02/Strategic-Options-Analysis.pdf

Option 1

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sites/331/2018/02/Strategic-Options-Analysis.pdf

Option 2

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sites/331/2018/02/Strategic-Options-Analysis.pdf

Option 3

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sites/331/2018/02/Strategic-Options-Analysis.pdf

Option 4

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sites/331/2018/02/Strategic-Options-Analysis.pdf

[Metro-One]

Seriously... Option 4, or at the very least the established option that was the working choice up until this announcement are far superior to this watered down option.

This seriously makes me wonder if the Sunbury interchange project will be scaled back or cancelled as well under the NDP. A pretty obvious agenda regarding highway projects so far.

GMB shelved / on hold, Highway 1 widening to Abbotsford cancelled, and now Patullo Bridge project reduced in scale...

[flipper316]

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/province-making-pattullo-bridge-announcement-today/

Shortly after the announcement, the Surrey Board of Trade issued a release saying it is “pleased” with the plan.

“However, the Surrey Board of Trade asks the B.C. government to re-consider an opening of four lanes to six lanes to accommodate certain population growth in the region,” said Anita Huberman, CEO of SBOT. “We must prepare for transportation infrastructure for future population growth.”

Lol, what a twat and a hypocrite. This is the same person that's pro LRT and seemingly has no issues with 2 lanes being taken away from 104th and all the associated traffic tie-ups and accidents that LRT is gonna cause. So many hypocrites and liars in BC in regards to politicians and members of the public.

I'll bet some of the citizens complaining on twitter as to why it's not 6 lanes were the same ones that were happy when the traffic regulating tolls were eliminated and the Massey Bridge canceled cuz it was too big and cost too much in their minds.

You just can't please everyone.

[Metro-One]

If you look closer it looks as if option 4 would have also grade separated the rail spur that currently runs across the SFPR.

Could they not at the very least add that aspect to the option chosen?

Oh well, seems like a golden opportunity fully upgrade the SFPR in this area, I guess it will have to be done in yet another separate project (projects) in the future.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

So it sounds like that the announcement tomorrow is confirmed to be regarding the Pattullo Bridge.

Also it looks as if the province will be taking over the project from Translink.

Cost is estimated to be 1.6 billion. I really hope that price tag involves a proper interchange connection (and a few other upgrades around the Pattullo) to the SFPR.

If you remember from the renders on this thread awhile back the Scott Road and KGB interchange would have the Scott Road extension hook up north to the SFPR. And in the renders, it was a signalized intersection. Also the new offramp from the Pattullo that would hook up to the SFPR westbound in the renders it didn't really show if the intersection of Old Yale would still have that light there or not.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by flipper316

If you remember from the renders on this thread awhile back the Scott Road and KGB interchange would have the Scott Road extension hook up north to the SFPR. And in the renders, it was a signalized intersection. Also the new offramp from the Pattullo that would hook up to the SFPR westbound in the renders it didn't really show if the intersection of Old Yale would still have that light there or not.

Yeah, I was never happy with that aspect either (but the mention of such a higher price tag briefly gave me hope that an interchange was once again going to be part of the design), but now the opposite has occurred and the entire Scott Road stretch near Scott Road Station has been downgraded and will essentially remain exactly the same.

But the free flow interchange with the SFPR is pretty much a lost battle now, sadly.

But I am going to ask why the option they have chosen seems to remove the Old Yale Road intersection with an overpass (which is good), but doesn't also grade separate the rail spur crossing (while their option 4 seems to grade separate both).

I feel that should be included in this project.