stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C

[Trainguy]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

“Leaving it up to the mayors council” is essentially where projects go to die, or spend eons in limbo, especially if it is a major road project.

It is always about the money and if there is political will to allow the project to move forward. We will see what kind of money is on the table next week when the budget is tabled.

Surrey is already starting to rebuild the old bridge over Bear Creek based on a promise of a future LRT line. Translink is still short 20%. Again, talk is cheap. Projects are promised and projects are cancelled in the same breath.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

“Leaving it up to the mayors council” is essentially where projects go to die, or spend eons in limbo, especially if it is a major road project.

Mayors Council is in full support of Patullo, I'm not sure why you'd try to suggest they don't support road projects.

The GMT was effectively dead when tolling was repealed.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

“Leaving it up to the mayors council” is essentially where projects go to die, or spend eons in limbo, especially if it is a major road project.

Indeed. What a ridiculous abdication of leadership and inspiration.

[CanSpice]

Rumour has it there's a "major provincial announcement related to New Westminster" happening tomorrow at 9am. I don't know where (the location would give it away, I'm sure) but given the Pattullo was the only infrastructure project mentioned by name in the Throne Speech, my money's on that. The only other provincial things that it could be are a replacement of Richard McBride Elementary (it's got a really shitty seismic rating), something to do with Royal Columbian, or possibly some announcement of affordable housing on the Gas Works site.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Mayors Council is in full support of Patullo, I'm not sure why you'd try to suggest they don't support road projects.

The GMT was effectively dead when tolling was repealed.

After how many years of squabbling?

The Pattullo Bridge should be complete and open by now.

I went to open houses around 10 years ago for "final designs" that were to start construction "next year" but New West put a stop to it.

The bridge we will be getting this time around will be opening with a silly 4 lanes even tough the entire design obviously requires / is designed for 6 (which will require another round of construction in deck expansion to achieve)

[Colin4567]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Rumour has it there's a "major provincial announcement related to New Westminster" happening tomorrow at 9am. I don't know where (the location would give it away, I'm sure) but given the Pattullo was the only infrastructure project mentioned by name in the Throne Speech, my money's on that. The only other provincial things that it could be are a replacement of Richard McBride Elementary (it's got a really shitty seismic rating), something to do with Royal Columbian, or possibly some announcement of affordable housing on the Gas Works site.

http://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/pattullo-bridge-replacement-announcement-coming-soon-1.23174589

I'd say you're right on this one

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

After how many years of squabbling?

The Pattullo Bridge should be complete and open by now.

I went to open houses around 10 years ago for "final designs" that were to start construction "next year" but New West put a stop to it.

Funding has always been the problem. The Patullo is at the top of the Mayors' list of priorities.

The BC Liberals set things back 3-5 years with their stupid referendum.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Funding has always been the problem. The Patullo is at the top of the Mayors' list of priorities.

The BC Liberals set things back 3-5 years with their stupid referendum.

If you believe that funding has been the only issue delaying it for years, then you must have your hands over your eyes.

New West has been notorious for delaying this project.

Even at one point supporting tearing it down with no replacement.

Hopefully the upcoming announcement is real and will get the project off the ground (though the missing 20% still hasn't been decided, unless the bridge is completely uploaded by the province...) but still ridiculous to be opening with 4 lanes.

[Colin4567]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

If you believe that funding has been the only issue delaying it for years, then you must have your hands over your eyes.

New West has been notorious for delaying this project.

Even at one point supporting tearing it down with no replacement.

Hopefully the upcoming announcement is real and will get the project off the ground (though the missing 20% still hasn't been decided, unless the bridge is completely uploaded by the province...) but still ridiculous to be opening with 4 lanes.

When Coquitlam said it should be 6 lanes New West said Coquitlam should have a 6 lane bridge in their city instead. Did they not count how many lanes are on the Port Mann? Source: https://biv.com/article/2014/04/new-westminster-mayor-says-six-lane-pattullo-bridg

Ever heard of the Port Mann, the widest in the world? Or the Pitt River bridge?

[Metro-One]

If you actually look at the proposed approaches for both ends of the new Pattullo it does not take a civil engineer to clearly see that the main span is meant to be 6 lanes. 4 through lanes and 2 add / drop lanes. Having the main span at 4 lanes creates several unnecessary merging pinch points.

Also the Pitt River bridge is completely irrelevant to the Pattullo since they serve completely different corridors (and even cross different rivers). And the Pitt River Bridge doesn’t land in Coquitlam, it lands in Port Coquitlam.

Also the Port Mann is no longer the widest in the world. Also having the the Pattullo land in Coquitlam would make little sense since it is better to have major bridges regularly spaced out along the river. That was a silly argument from New West to begin with and actually highlights my point for why it is troublesome to leave major road and bridge projects up to the cities.

[Trainguy]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

If you actually look at the proposed approaches for both ends of the new Pattullo it does not take a civil engineer to clearly see that the main span is meant to be 6 lanes. 4 through lanes and 2 add / drop lanes. Having the main span at 4 lanes creates several unnecessary merging pinch points.

Also the Pitt River bridge is completely irrelevant to the Pattullo since they serve completely different corridors (and even cross different rivers). And the Pitt River Bridge doesn’t land in Coquitlam, it lands in Port Coquitlam.

Also the Port Mann is no longer the widest in the world. Also having the the Pattullo land in Coquitlam would make little sense since it is better to have major bridges regularly spaced out along the river. That was a silly argument from New West to begin with and actually highlights my point for why it is troublesome to leave major road and bridge projects up to the cities.

With Horgan fronting the money for the PB, don't count out the 6 lane option. The government doesn't just hand over money without having a say in what is being built. Until a bid for a certain design has been put to tender, anything is possible.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Trainguy

With Horgan fronting the money for the PB, don't count out the 6 lane option. The government doesn't just hand over money without having a say in what is being built. Until a bid for a certain design has been put to tender, anything is possible.

Oh we already know it is going to be 4 lanes, but capable of a future 6 lane expansion.

In BC we love to build everything twice, wastes more money that way.

The same way I worry that if the GMB project proceeds under this government that it may be done as the twinned tunnel option, meaning that we will build an entire project around the existing tunnels.... just for them to be replaced anyways 20 years after completion through another major project.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Come on, it's not like BC has a monopoly on underbuilding things...

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Come on, it's not like BC has a monopoly on underbuilding things...

The Golden Ears Bridge, Pitt River, and the new Port Mann were properly built.

I would argue that the Second Narrows crossing and Alex Fraser were appropriately built and are just the victims of major growth seen anywhere in the world.

Granville Bridge is or only overbuilt bridge structure, but that may end up being to the benefit for the city in the long run.

I am actually proud of many roads / highways / transit projects in our region given topography and population density, but I also don’t give every project an automatic pas and we’d should not underbuild.

The SFPR with traffic lights, the idea of twinning the GMT instead of completely replacing it, and opening the Pattullo Bridge with 4 lanes are all under building mistakes.

This is also true for our transit projects. Several are adequate, one was gold plated, and several are value engineered.

[dleung]

Port Mann and Golden Ears are all over-built. What's severely under-built is RAPID TRANSIT. Why are we building road capacity for more sprawl south of the Fraser? 6 lanes for the GMB is plenty - there will never be need for skytrain provisions for such a sparse part of the metro. I don't believe in dedicated rapid bus lanes - too much infrastructure for too little ridership.

[libtard]

Port Mann and golden ears weren't built properly compared to other bridges going up around North America because they don't have adequate shoulders on either side. And the SFPR is terrible even the interchanges it DOES have are severely underbuilt and have very low design speeds.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by dleung

Port Mann and Golden Ears are all over-built. What's severely under-built is RAPID TRANSIT. Why are we building road capacity for more sprawl south of the Fraser? 6 lanes for the GMB is plenty - there will never be need for skytrain provisions for such a sparse part of the metro. I don't believe in dedicated rapid bus lanes - too much infrastructure for too little ridership.

Well I am going to disagree with you regarding those structures being overbuilt, especially the GEB (since we do build these structures for multiple generations, not just the time being, I can’t understand how anyone could argue that 6 lanes of roadway between the Port Mann and Mission Bridge in a region soon to hit 3 million is over built. I also disagree with the idea that a rapid bus system along the 99 connecting Richmond / the Bridgeport Skytrain Station to Delta, the ferries, and South Surrey White Rock is too much infrastructure) I would honestly support a 6 lane new bridge (if no bus lanes are part of the project) to replace the GMT than a twinned 8 lane system that retains the old tunnels and therefore would be a complete mess of a highway on either end.

[Metro-One]

So it sounds like that the announcement tomorrow is confirmed to be regarding the Pattullo Bridge.

Also it looks as if the province will be taking over the project from Translink.

Cost is estimated to be 1.6 billion. I really hope that price tag involves a proper interchange connection (and a few other upgrades around the Pattullo) to the SFPR.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by dleung

Port Mann and Golden Ears are all over-built. What's severely under-built is RAPID TRANSIT. Why are we building road capacity for more sprawl south of the Fraser? 6 lanes for the GMB is plenty - there will never be need for skytrain provisions for such a sparse part of the metro. I don't believe in dedicated rapid bus lanes - too much infrastructure for too little ridership.

You have no statistical information to back that up
6 lanes is not plenty enough for the GMB as it sees 90k daily traffic/day. Maybe 6lanes +2HOV.

What you are advocating is for the general population to abandon their cars and take skytrain instead. How is rapid transit underfunded? The city is 2.5million people and is easily in the top ten in the continent for rapid transit use. The city is up there with Boston Chicago and DC. I'm for equal road infrastructure and rapid transit. And thats a fair compromise.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

You have no statistical information to back that up
6 lanes is not plenty enough for the GMB as it sees 90k daily traffic/day. Maybe 6lanes +2HOV.

It's dleung. He's the most uninformed forumer here and always talking out of his ass. He's only hilarious in how misguided he always is.