YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I am worndering what effect the grounding, by Trump, and as I understand by Air Canada, of all 737- max jets will have on flights, and on passenger capacity not only at YVR but elsewhere.
How long will the grounding last (anyone have an idea?) ... what per centage is already carried by 737-max (any airline), and what model of aircraft can be used to pinch-hit?

Most of the world banned the max aircraft. Canada and the US were the last to hold out. Canada grounded the aircraft and then a few hours later the US followed.

Both WestJet and AC have significant fleets of MAX. They are just going to move aircraft around and cancel flights.

Boeing is working on some software changes to remove the bug that caused the first crash (and potentially the second one was the same software bug). We are probably a few weeks away from the software upgrade being ready and installed.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by libtard

Airplanes using the North runway aren’t flying over marpole residents heads. It’s still south of the river. Seems like a win/win for everyone. Having a curfew on the north runway makes no sense

So was the South Runway until they started dumping people into Richmond T. Centre.

This is Richmond's, and the resident's fault, not YVRs.

Not to mention the North Runway's flight path actually goes above Bridgeport Stn, not the river, where in a couple years, there's going to be exactly the same problem from residents.

The North Runway is also shorter than the South Runway, so less versatile.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by fredinno

So was the South Runway until they started dumping people into Richmond T. Centre.

This is Richmond's, and the resident's fault, not YVRs.

Not to mention the North Runway's flight path actually goes above Bridgeport Stn, not the river, where in a couple years, there's going to be exactly the same problem from residents.

The North Runway is also shorter than the South Runway, so less versatile.

Using the North runway will have less impact on less people though. Like I said it’s a win/win. Marpole residents won’t notice it and less people in Richmond will hear the planes.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by fredinno

The solution spears to be simple, and it's not moving the airplanes.

Either way, do these people think that moving the planes to the North Runway is going to solve anything? People living in Marpole are going to complain, then.

If Richmond didn't want to deal with Airplane noise, Richmond City Centre shouldn't have been designated so close to the airport, and the warehouses should have been kept. What do they think's going to happen when Richmond dumps people right next to an airplane runway?

Richmond has been an example of disastrous planning for years. They knowingly keep approving development under the flightpath.

[s211]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Richmond has been an example of disastrous planning for years. They knowingly keep approving development under the flightpath.

Hmmmm... kind of like how they approved multi-residential right next to the Steveston/Hwy 99 interchange, and then the Hwy 99 upgrade was proposed. I got lots of good laughs at Richmond staff's hissy-fits freaking out at the Province, but it was really dumb-@ass planning on the city's part to put a project like that right next to a major highway interchange.

[thenoflyzone]

According to someone on airliners.net, AC301/302 YUL-YVR-YUL will be flown by a TS A332 as of next week.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by libtard

Using the North runway will have less impact on less people though. Like I said it’s a win/win. Marpole residents won’t notice it and less people in Richmond will hear the planes.

Until the Duck Island redevelopment is complete, then THOSE people will be complaining about living under the flightpath.

[nname]

So much of getting rid of Rouge...

With the grounding of 737 MAX, Rouge 767 will be back to Vancouver

YVR-HNL
March: 1x daily 77W
April: 1x daily 788
May: 1x daily Rouge 767
June: 1x daily Rouge 767

YVR-OGG
March: 1x daily 789
April: 1x daily Rouge 767
May: 1x daily Rouge 767
June: 1x daily Rouge 767

For the month of May, there will be also 1x daily YVR-YYZ with Rouge 767.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Richmond has been an example of disastrous planning for years. They knowingly keep approving development under the flightpath.

The fact that even under a flight path developers continue to invest in the area shows that’s quite brilliant planning. You don’t think the densification along No. 3 road is good?

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by libtard

The fact that even under a flight path developers continue to invest in the area shows that’s quite brilliant planning. You don’t think the densification along No. 3 road is good?

I would think removing industrial lands (like the South Fraserlands) is disastrous planning, but that doesn't stop people from investing heavily in the area.

Or the Surrey LRT. Developers started snatching up property in Newton in anticipation, until it got kiboshed.

Just because an area is being invested heavily in, it's not necessarily good planning. It means there's demand for new property. (plus, the property tax is a LVT, meaning that investors have every incentive to build, or even overbuild, to mitigate tax $$$.)

The densification on No.3 Rd isn't exactly bad- it's not like the Canada Line extends south of it- just Richmond shouldn't be complaining when people complain- it's their fault.

[Rogie]

Harbour Air is looking to go all-electric.

A Beaver will be converted and tested starting later this year, with the aim to certify by 2022 and the goal to eventually convert the whole fleet to electric.

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019/03/26/harbour-air-magnix-electric-aviation/

[SpongeG]

March 24, 2019 5:27 pm
Place your bets: Vancouver airport holds bracket to find best-looking plane

By Sean Boynton Online Journalist Global News

Beauty contests may be fading in popularity, but what about when planes are involved?

Vancouver International Airport is putting that to the test by holding a contest on its Instagram page to find out which airplane flying in and out of YVR has the best look of the bunch.

Dubbed “Last Livery Standing,” the bracket features 32 planes that service Metro Vancouver, broken into four “conferences”: domestic, international/U.S., Asia-Pacific and a “special” category that includes limited-edition planes like WestJet’s Mickey Mouse jet.


from twitter

...

https://globalnews.ca/news/5091017/yvr-best-looking-plane-contest/

[zahav]

January stats posted, and mediocre results with some surprises:

Domestic: +3.5%
Transborder: +2.4%
International: +6.3% (Asia Pac +9.8%, Europe -1.2%, Misc. -0.3%)

Surprsied by the strength in Asia Pac, surprised by the decline in Europe and Misc., which had been posting huge % gains all last year. What happened in January, was there any major geopolitical issue that could've explained the drop?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by zahav

January stats posted, and mediocre results with some surprises:

Domestic: +3.5%
Transborder: +2.4%
International: +6.3% (Asia Pac +9.8%, Europe -1.2%, Misc. -0.3%)

Surprsied by the strength in Asia Pac, surprised by the decline in Europe and Misc., which had been posting huge % gains all last year. What happened in January, was there any major geopolitical issue that could've explained the drop?

It's still an overall 4.0% increase. Dec 2018 was even weaker. (+2.8%)

Intl charters seem to have taken a hit in January.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by zahav

January stats posted, and mediocre results with some surprises:

Domestic: +3.5%
Transborder: +2.4%
International: +6.3% (Asia Pac +9.8%, Europe -1.2%, Misc. -0.3%)

Surprsied by the strength in Asia Pac, surprised by the decline in Europe and Misc., which had been posting huge % gains all last year. What happened in January, was there any major geopolitical issue that could've explained the drop?

That slight January 2019 dip in European traffic just might have been caused by the Yellow Vest uprisings all over the streets, and powerful anti-immigrant movements in Germany and elsewhere. In Paris, the police have been using teargas and rubber bullets.
In Germany, many mainsream citizens are takin' it to the streets. It's very tense here right now; maybe that's it.
Europe is in a real shake-up right now with a mangled BREXIT deal hanging over it, member nations rumbling about leaving the EU, a major shift to the political right (related to the migrant issue) ... and a feeling of uncertainty and malaise. Not the best conditions for attracting tourists.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by zahav

Surprsied by the strength in Asia Pac, surprised by the decline in Europe and Misc., which had been posting huge % gains all last year. What happened in January, was there any major geopolitical issue that could've explained the drop?

Well there are almost no carriers flying Vancouver --> Europe in January, so any little change is a big % difference.

Non daily service from KLM and AF, daily Lufthansa to Frankfurt and daily AC/BA to London.

The actual drop was 273 people. That's less than one flight. Could have even been a cancellation and people were routed through other Canadian airports so the PAX were recorded as domestic not International.

I'm pretty pleased with 4% growth. I think this year is going to be abysmal for YVR, given the amount of cuts coming to international flying this summer. Only good years from domestic and transborder will keep things positive.

With most of the S19 changes wrapped up I'll post my summer frequency/seats tracker.



As you can see seats in 2019 are actually 2.6% lower than 2018, so I'm expecting flat to negative growth this summer internationally. AsiaPac in particular looks brutal with cuts all over.

[Rogie]

YVR was awarded the Skytrax award for Best Airport in North America for the 10th straight year, beating out Denver and Atlanta. Toronto was 7th, Montreal 10th.

https://wp.me/p2cMjz-tU

[SpongeG]

Is there a direct flight from Vancouver to Singapore?

A friend is going to Singapore next week and he said his flight is direct but I didn't know we had direct flights there.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well there are almost no carriers flying Vancouver --> Europe in January, so any little change is a big % difference.

Non daily service from KLM and AF, daily Lufthansa to Frankfurt and daily AC/BA to London.

The actual drop was 273 people. That's less than one flight. Could have even been a cancellation and people were routed through other Canadian airports so the PAX were recorded as domestic not International.

I'm pretty pleased with 4% growth. I think this year is going to be abysmal for YVR, given the amount of cuts coming to international flying this summer. Only good years from domestic and transborder will keep things positive.

With most of the S19 changes wrapped up I'll post my summer frequency/seats tracker.



As you can see seats in 2019 are actually 2.6% lower than 2018, so I'm expecting flat to negative growth this summer internationally. AsiaPac in particular looks brutal with cuts all over.

Thanks again for your awesome chart! I’ll audit it later

I guess YVR couldn’t continue with that unprecedented growth over the last three years. Comparing the chart to 10 years ago though you sure get a good idea how far YVR has managed to grow. Definitely a year of slower growth in 2019. 4% isn’t anything to sneeze at though.

[Rogie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Thanks again for your awesome chart! I’ll audit it later

I guess YVR couldn’t continue with that unprecedented growth over the last three years. Comparing the chart to 10 years ago though you sure get a good idea how far YVR has managed to grow. Definitely a year of slower growth in 2019. 4% isn’t anything to sneeze at though.

You're right. 4% may give them a little breathing room to catch up with all the construction projects going on.