YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[zahav]

I didn't realize YVR-HKG ever went 787?

Air Canada in this week’s schedule update revised planned operational aircraft for Vancouver – Hong Kong route, effective 27OCT19. For winter 2019/20 season, the Star Alliance carrier will continue to serve this route with 450-seater Boeing 777-300ER, instead of Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner.

Following schedule effective 03NOV19 – 23FEB20.

AC007 YVR1210 – 1750+1HKG 77W D
AC008 HKG2000 – 1535YVR 77W D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ong-kong-aircraft-changes-as-of-07mar19/

[xd_1771]

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compani...airline-can-go-distance-to-US-and-Europe

For long-haul flights, Zipair will "first consider North America, and later Europe," Shingo Nishida, the unit's president, told a news conference. He did not give specific destinations, but said Zipair will aim to debut long-haul service as early as 2021.

The article title says US but I feel like Vancouver is an extremely strong consideration for this new ZIPAIR from Tokyo, Japan...

[officedweller]

MacArthur Glen Outlets Expansion

Have they announced a big anchor tenant?
Looks like one really big 2-level anchor unit there.

By City of Rain Feb 17, 2019:

Originally Posted by City Of Rain, post: 1425156, member: 70034

IMG_5518 by Hung Lam, on Flickr
IMG_5521 by Hung Lam, on Flickr
IMG_5525 by Hung Lam, on Flickr
IMG_5529 by Hung Lam, on Flickr

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by officedweller

MacArthur Glen Outlets Expansion

Have they announced a big anchor tenant?
Looks like one really big 2-level anchor unit there.

By City of Rain Feb 17, 2019:

I had asked this upthread: doesn anyone know of that larger building is meant to be one store, more like an "anchor" than the others?

[SpongeG]

they are not giving any clues, how soon does it open because there are no job openings posted yet.

[officedweller]

The weird thing is that I don't know of any Nordstrom Racks or Saks Off 5ths being 2 storeys in an outlet / strip mall setting.

There also seems to be a high ceiling'd building in the middle of the new expansion, too.
I see beams for a floor, but the 2nd storey ceiling height looks low.

[Johnny Aussie]

United Summer 2018 changes

UA will have:

17 daily flights M-F of which only one will be Express (one of the two LAX)
19 flights on Saturdays with an additional flight to SFO (Express) and the once weekly IAD
18 flights on Sundays with an additional mainline flight to ORD

Last summer UA flew 16 daily (13 mainline and 3 Express)

The main changes are the additional daily IAH and 2 Expresss flights moved to mainline (one DEN and one LAX)

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The weird thing is that I don't know of any Nordstrom Racks or Saks Off 5ths being 2 storeys in an outlet / strip mall setting.

There also seems to be a high ceiling'd building in the middle of the new expansion, too.
I see beams for a floor, but the 2nd storey ceiling height looks low.

The first phase has one building that is two storeys, one part is for Ralph Lauren, the rest is offices and public washrooms. Maybe the same thing for there?

[Gordon]

Are there any updates on the Pier d expansion & The East apron remote stands construction?

[CloudInspector]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Are there any updates on the Pier d expansion & The East apron remote stands construction?

Taxiing by the D pier yesterday it looks like the framing for the extension is well under way. Not sure about the east apron but there is construction between taxiways Juliet and Victor. I’m guessing more de-icing bays? Also remodelling is happening on the old section of the B pier.

Any idea what’s happening with the pile of dirt just east of the encore gates? I’m assuming it’ll be a more permanent home for encore but I heard something about a hangar?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The Investor Day presentation does open up the possibilities...

With the economics of the A220 ("unparalleled operating economics") certainly some new routes will pop up. Another game changer plane for NA ops. Just like the Dreamliner has been for long-haul ops for AC at YVR.
Based on the numbers I would say AC will start YVR to IAD, MCO, IAH and MIA/FLL (either one) would most likely get the nod. Some of these have been identified as possible routes in the Investor Day 2019 presentation already. I could also see some current routes such as ORD and DFW switched to mainline 220s. Once you start going further down the list things still get a bit more iffy. No we won't be seeing nonstop flights to Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Omaha or Austin (yet).

This is based on market numbers and not just a whine for more routes based on some sort of inferiority complex.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/170816/dq170816b-cansim-eng.htm

Still quite surprised Austin is not much higher on ACs radar. WS making a go of it from YYC with lower O&D and much less business ties.

I am really excited for the A220, more so than any narrow body. I think it is really going to transform transborder at YVR.

Originally Posted by nname

Obviously there's no way AC could run non-stop YYZ-SIN... but if they do YYZ-YVR-SIN similar to SYD, does that means it will serve the O&D market of 80,000?
That sure is enough demand to fill a plane at 3 or 4 flights per week. But whether they can compete with Asian carriers and still have high enough yield is another story...

Only problem with SIN is that it's not a seasonal route so it doesn't totally fit ACs plan of seeking out long haul routes in the winter. If you do SIN you need to do it 12 months a year or it's not happening.

Originally Posted by zahav

I didn't realize YVR-HKG ever went 787?

Air Canada in this week’s schedule update revised planned operational aircraft for Vancouver – Hong Kong route, effective 27OCT19. For winter 2019/20 season, the Star Alliance carrier will continue to serve this route with 450-seater Boeing 777-300ER, instead of Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner.

Following schedule effective 03NOV19 – 23FEB20.

AC007 YVR1210 – 1750+1HKG 77W D
AC008 HKG2000 – 1535YVR 77W D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ong-kong-aircraft-changes-as-of-07mar19/

Kinda shows that the HK Airlines drawdowns are not a symptom of performance and more their own internal issues. If I were AC/Cathay I'd sense the blood in the water and really ram up the seats on NA-HKG.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

United Summer 2018 changes

UA will have:

17 daily flights M-F of which only one will be Express (one of the two LAX)
19 flights on Saturdays with an additional flight to SFO (Express) and the once weekly IAD
18 flights on Sundays with an additional mainline flight to ORD

Last summer UA flew 16 daily (13 mainline and 3 Express)

The main changes are the additional daily IAH and 2 Expresss flights moved to mainline (one DEN and one LAX)

Awesome! More and bigger flights. Expecting some decent growth numbers out of transborder this year to soak up some of the weakness in intl.

I've heard some initial numbers from the port regarding cruise ship schedules that this should be a big growth year for them, supporting the increase in transborder.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Kinda shows that the HK Airlines drawdowns are not a symptom of performance and more their own internal issues. If I were AC/Cathay I'd sense the blood in the water and really ram up the seats on NA-HKG.

They've all but pulled out of Oceania... Gold Coast and Cairns already cancelled.... AKL is gone soon too.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

The first phase has one building that is two storeys, one part is for Ralph Lauren, the rest is offices and public washrooms. Maybe the same thing for there?

Upstairs offices makes sense - there seems to be a lower ceiling height.

My guess for the big white 2 storey building is Nordstrom Rack
- purely based on the space on the facade for signage (2 line logo).
(although Saks Off 5th has similar logo proportions, but HBC is closing stores)

[s211]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Upstairs offices makes sense - there seems to be a lower ceiling height.

My guess for the big white 2 storey building is Nordstrom Rack
- purely based on the space on the facade for signage (2 line logo).
(although Saks Off 5th has similar logo proportions, but HBC is closing stores)

The Rack would probably make a killing there.

(The new Rack in Edmonton might as well be a Saks off Fifth. It's 99% junk.)

[trofirhen]

I am worndering what effect the grounding, by Trump, and as I understand by Air Canada, of all 737- max jets will have on flights, and on passenger capacity not only at YVR but elsewhere.
How long will the grounding last (anyone have an idea?) ... what per centage is already carried by 737-max (any airline), and what model of aircraft can be used to pinch-hit?

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I am worndering what effect the grounding, by Trump, and as I understand by Air Canada, of all 737- max jets will have on flights, and on passenger capacity not only at YVR but elsewhere.
How long will the grounding last (anyone have an idea?) ... what per centage is already carried by 737-max (any airline), and what model of aircraft can be used to pinch-hit?

Two crashes of the same model within 6 months, suspected similar causes, and hundreds of fatalities? The MAX will be grounded for weeks, if not months. You can find active discussions (informed and otherwise) on airliners.net here:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1417831&hilit=Air+canada

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1417545

[Migrant_Coconut]

(facepalm)

Richmond urging YVR Airport to use runway close to Vancouver more often

The City of Richmond is formally asking the federal government to allow Vancouver International Airport to use its North Runway more often in a bid to reduce aeronautical noise in Richmond’s residential neighbourhoods.

Minutes from a Richmond city council meeting, held on March 4, indicate that councillors requested a letter be written to Marc Garneau, the federal Minister of Transport, asking that “the North Runway… be better utilized for aircraft departures to lessen the impact of aircraft noise on the people of Richmond.”

Noise issues are increasingly a concern for Richmond’s municipal government, which has focused much of its residential densification plans in northwest Richmond, just east of the airport, where its suburban city centre is located — around Canada Line stations.

Built in 1996 as a part of YVR’s modernization expansion project, the North Runway — close to Vancouver — is used mainly for arrivals and normally closed from 10 pm to 7 am. These restrictions are imposed by NAV Canada.

The original South Runway, located south of the main terminal, which has flight paths directly over Richmond, is the longest and used for both arrivals and departures 24/7.

“Discussion took place on aircraft noise concerns on the north and south runways and whether the City of Vancouver has implemented noise mitigation requirements for developments on Vancouver’s south side across from YVR’s north runway,” reads the minutes.

As a result of the discussions, the City of Richmond will also send a letter to the City of Vancouver “suggesting that noise attenuation measures in new construction be implemented to mitigate airport noise.”

Representatives with the Vancouver Airport Authority informed Richmond city council during the meeting that YVR is not in favour of a nighttime curfew on airport operations due to its geographical seat on the west coast of North America, and there is potential to expand evening flight operations.

YVR is experiencing significant year-over-year passenger growth, with 25.94 million passengers recorded in 2018 — up from 17.6 million in 2012. By 2022, the airport is expecting to reach as many as 31 million passengers.

Some major international airports busier than YVR practice nighttime curfews to address noise issues. Strict curfew regulations at Sydney Airport prevent aircraft from taking off and landing between 11 pm and 6 am, but this practice is increasingly being questioned as it is making it difficult for the airport to tackle its congestion problems.

London’s Heathrow Airport also restricts nighttime aircraft movements to just 5,800 take-offs and landings per year between 11:30 am and 6 am.

According to YVR, a total of 920 aeronautical noise concerns from 250 individuals in Metro Vancouver were reported throughout 2018, representing a 29% decrease in the number of concerns over the same period in 2017. Nearly half (457 out of 920) of the total number of reports were made by just three people in Richmond regarding jet departures and run-ups during the overnight hours.

In the meeting, YVR officials also expressed that they would like to see 24/7 public transit service to the airport. Currently, the Canada Line’s first train from Waterfront Station to YVR Airport Station is at 4:48 am and the last train is at 1:05 am. For trips departing from YVR Airport Station, the first train is at 5:07 am and the last train at 12:56 am.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

(facepalm)

The solution spears to be simple, and it's not moving the airplanes.

Either way, do these people think that moving the planes to the North Runway is going to solve anything? People living in Marpole are going to complain, then.

If Richmond didn't want to deal with Airplane noise, Richmond City Centre shouldn't have been designated so close to the airport, and the warehouses should have been kept. What do they think's going to happen when Richmond dumps people right next to an airplane runway?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by fredinno

The solution spears to be simple, and it's not moving the airplanes.

Either way, do these people think that moving the planes to the North Runway is going to solve anything? People living in Marpole are going to complain, then.

If Richmond didn't want to deal with Airplane noise, Richmond City Centre shouldn't have been designated so close to the airport, and the warehouses should have been kept. What do they think's going to happen when Richmond dumps people right next to an airplane runway?

If you have the time to write over a hundred letters a year, you generally don't have the intelligence and/or empathy to care about people on the other side of the river.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by fredinno

The solution spears to be simple, and it's not moving the airplanes.

Either way, do these people think that moving the planes to the North Runway is going to solve anything? People living in Marpole are going to complain, then.

If Richmond didn't want to deal with Airplane noise, Richmond City Centre shouldn't have been designated so close to the airport, and the warehouses should have been kept. What do they think's going to happen when Richmond dumps people right next to an airplane runway?

Airplanes using the North runway aren’t flying over marpole residents heads. It’s still south of the river. Seems like a win/win for everyone. Having a curfew on the north runway makes no sense