2018 Ottawa Municipal Election

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Menard's free transit promise is ridiculous. Bank's current service is unreliable. Free transit isn't going to help.

I'm convinced the "free transit" advocates don't spend a lot of time on actual transit.

The perversely-incentivized behaviour created by the uPass are the best evidence I've ever seen against the idea of "free transit".

#OMGUofOStudentsJustWalkTheThreeBlocks

[J.OT13]

After Stage 3 when trains serve the big 3 suburbs, we should go to a zone based system. Pretty simple; inside the greenbelt - outside the greenbelt. Suburbs will clearly have the better service, so the extra fare will be justified. With Stage 1 and even Stage 2, the transfers might be too much for suburbanites to handle the premium.

[jleiper]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I don't think I've ever even seen a D&D set, even though it's kinda my demographic, but this makes me even warmer towards fellow SSP poster Jeff Leiper.

I was definitely a D&D player - though it kind of petered out when I started going to Cairine! My kid turned out the same, though ten times cooler than I ever was in high school. I think all those dungeon maps must've sparked an early interest in planning Actually, Planning Committee meetings would be a lot more fun if we were considering "change from current Orc Dungeon - Third Density to Mixed-Use Dungeon - Fifth Density".

[J.OT13]

Hi Mr. Leiper. Congratulations on the win! Very happy to see you back at City Hall!!

Keep up the good work!

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

It'll be very interesting to watch Menard over the next four years. I fully suspect when he falls short of many goals and is forced to compromise, Glebites will turn on him like they did on Chernushenko and run to the next candidate who promises them the world.

[CityTech]

Congrats Jeff! I voted for you in both 2014 and 2018 and I don't regret it at all. Somehow you've managed to walk the seemingly impossible tightrope between urban planning realities and the often unrealistic expectations of inner city residents. Kudos!

[Ottawa Champ]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

After Stage 3 when trains serve the big 3 suburbs, we should go to a zone based system. Pretty simple; inside the greenbelt - outside the greenbelt. Suburbs will clearly have the better service, so the extra fare will be justified. With Stage 1 and even Stage 2, the transfers might be too much for suburbanites to handle the premium.

This would be logical but I don't see it as being politically viable. Despite densification in the urban core, the suburbs are growing at a much faster rate. After the next ward boundary review, additional suburban Councillors will be added to council, and thereby hold even more power.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

After Stage 3 when trains serve the big 3 suburbs, we should go to a zone based system. Pretty simple; inside the greenbelt - outside the greenbelt. Suburbs will clearly have the better service, so the extra fare will be justified. With Stage 1 and even Stage 2, the transfers might be too much for suburbanites to handle the premium.

The doesn't work unless you have strong incentives against driving (congestion charge, high parking costs, etc.).

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Ottawa Champ

This would be logical but I don't see it as being politically viable. Despite densification in the urban core, the suburbs are growing at a much faster rate. After the next ward boundary review, additional suburban Councillors will be added to council, and thereby hold even more power.

Or council will be kept at the same size, but the ward populations will be brought back closer into parity, which should have happened after the 2016 census anyway.

[daud]

Originally Posted by jleiper

I was definitely a D&D player - though it kind of petered out when I started going to Cairine! My kid turned out the same, though ten times cooler than I ever was in high school. I think all those dungeon maps must've sparked an early interest in planning Actually, Planning Committee meetings would be a lot more fun if we were considering "change from current Orc Dungeon - Third Density to Mixed-Use Dungeon - Fifth Density".

A footnote for your wikipedia page! verified in this forum. "Jeff was an avid D&D player in his youth which he credits for his interest in planning"

Congrats...my sister is in your ward and you're doing an excellent job.

[jleiper]

Originally Posted by CityTech

Congrats Jeff! I voted for you in both 2014 and 2018 and I don't regret it at all. Somehow you've managed to walk the seemingly impossible tightrope between urban planning realities and the often unrealistic expectations of inner city residents. Kudos!

Thanks - it's a challenging ward! I just try to keep my feet moving.

[Norman Bates]

Originally Posted by jleiper

Thanks - it's a challenging ward! I just try to keep my feet moving.

Well done, young man.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Ottawa Champ

This would be logical but I don't see it as being politically viable. Despite densification in the urban core, the suburbs are growing at a much faster rate. After the next ward boundary review, additional suburban Councillors will be added to council, and thereby hold even more power.

I don't think Doug will allow more Councillors. He might even ask for a reduction. Ideally, we would keep the same amount of wards but re-distribute so that all of them end up with roughly the same population. That would likely result in the elimination of at least one rural ward (they were given more representation in 2001 to appease them, but that should be reversed) in order to add one suburban.

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

The doesn't work unless you have strong incentives against driving (congestion charge, high parking costs, etc.).

Once the O-Train serves all three big suburbs (or four of we include Gatineau), then we can talk congestion charge. I would support a tax on downtown parking.

[J.OT13]

My biggest disappointment Monday was Rideau-Vanier. Facing the march of the homeless shelters (Salvation Army and apparently the Mission is looking to move to Vanier as well) a whopping 37.5% of eligible voters went to the poles, and the ones that did (maybe Market and Sandy Hill residents) elected Fleury with 68% of the vote against Harris' 29%.

The guy wholeheartedly supported the first Château Laurier expansion before it went public, he didn't stand up against the Salvation Army until it went public and it was too late and even criticized Radio-Canada when they publicized the landfill map showing Vanier as the only place where residential areas was built over them.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-vanier-battle

[Uhuniau]

Mayor results by voting area, in the central and inner suburban areas. (Sorry, suburbs, your vote pattern was boring )

Red - Watson
Orange - Doucet

Intensity of colour reflects vote total of the winning candidate, in 10% cohorts.

Unsurprisingly, Vanier was the only neighbourhood that Doucet carried, along with a handful of institutional polls. Watson was also "weak", relatively speaking, in a few other neighbourhoods which he carried, but with less than a full majority (OOS, Ittle Litaly, Nouvelle-Edimbourg).

Doucet didn't even carry his old stomping grounds in his former municipal ward.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

The doesn't work unless you have strong incentives against driving (congestion charge, high parking costs, etc.).

That really depends on how the zone fares are implemented. Many cities only charge zone fares during peak periods, which I think could work here. With traffic the way it is, it is worth the extra cost to take transit from the distant suburbs into town. Outside of peak periods, transit is at more of a disadvantage compared to driving.

The other factor that justifies this model is that outside of peak periods, when the trains/buses are running below capacity, it really doesn't cost the city anything extra to have someone take transit compared to having an empty seat. It is during peak periods, when extra trains and buses need to be added to meet demand, that the cost of transporting extra people goes up and the further they travel, the more it increases.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

My biggest disappointment Monday was Rideau-Vanier. Facing the march of the homeless shelters (Salvation Army and apparently the Mission is looking to move to Vanier as well) a whopping 37.5% of eligible voters went to the poles, and the ones that did (maybe Market and Sandy Hill residents) elected Fleury with 68% of the vote against Harris' 29%.

The guy wholeheartedly supported the first Château Laurier expansion before it went public, he didn't stand up against the Salvation Army until it went public and it was too late and even criticized Radio-Canada when they publicized the landfill map showing Vanier as the only place where residential areas was built over them.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-vanier-battle

For most of the ward the relocation of the shelter is a plus.

[J.OT13]

That is true; voters in the Market and Sandy Hill probably voted for Fleury, and as the map shows Watson, possibly because they want the shelters out. But if the residents of Vanier would have gone out to vote in droves in opposition to the shelter, the voter turnout would have been much higher and Fleury might have been out.

Either they don't care, or they are the sort of people who are quick to complain on social media but aren't prepared to a take 10 minutes out of their lives to vote for change.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That is true; voters in the Market and Sandy Hill probably voted for Fleury, and as the map shows Watson, possibly because they want the shelters out. But if the residents of Vanier would have gone out to vote in droves in opposition to the shelter, the voter turnout would have been much higher and Fleury might have been out.

Either they don't care, or they are the sort of people who are quick to complain on social media but aren't prepared to a take 10 minutes out of their lives to vote for change.

There was a 4K vote margin and Vanier is a third of the riding’s population. Plus changing the councillor won’t change the shelter.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by acottawa

There was a 4K vote margin and Vanier is a third of the riding’s population. Plus changing the councillor won’t change the shelter.

Pretty sure Vanier and anyone else opposed to he shelter move could have mustered up 4,000 votes out of 18,125 who did bother to vote.

You're right the Salvation Army's march to Vanier is a done deal. Nothing can be done, but that doesn't change the fact that Fleury has been selling out his constituents in Vanier for the past 8 years. By standing by and letting him be voted back in, the residents of Vanier have guaranteed themselves another 4 years of neglect.

It's just another example of the sad state of democracy. Even with infinite information at our finger tips, people are less informed and less engaged than ever before.