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Old Posted Oct 7, 2009, 11:19 PM
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meanwhile tying up planning staff’s time and resources, which could better be devoted to the Cambie Corridor, NEFC etc.
have you seen the development permit board schedule this year?
14 cancelled meetings so far. they were not a busy bunch...

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They are saving themselves for the round of spaceship themed buildings the developers must surely be working one.

There will be a couple of projects added to that schedule shortly. Just normal looking buildings though.
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Damn. And here I was hoping for some 900ft fluorescent dog turd that could finally make Vancouver a world class city.

Oh well I guess this city will just continue to be awful.
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Damn. And here I was hoping for some 900ft fluorescent dog turd that could finally make Vancouver a world class city.

Oh well I guess this city will just continue to be awful.
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interesting issues in a very different context, with the requisite nytimes vancouver mention.

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Taking On Skyscrapers to Protect View of an ‘Old Friend’
By MARTIN FACKLER
Published: October 11, 2009

TOKYO — Growing up in prewar Tokyo, Makoto Kaneko recalls that the perfectly shaped, snow-capped cone of Mount Fuji was like a constant companion, visible on the horizon from the narrow streets of his hilly working-class neighborhood. The most majestic view was from a steep hillside affectionately named Fujimizaka, “the slope for seeing Mount Fuji.”

People go to the Nippori neighborhood of Tokyo to peer at Mount Fuji from the Fujimizaka hill. Nippori residents want to stop developers to preserve the view.

Today, Mr. Kaneko’s cramped 80-year-old shop selling foods cooked in soy sauce is one of several old wooden stores and Buddhist temples that still stand here, making the Nippori neighborhood a rare oasis of medieval charm in Tokyo’s concrete sprawl. But the distant volcano, Japan’s tallest peak and pre-eminent national symbol, has been increasingly blocked by skyscrapers and smog.

Mr. Kaneko said he and other residents did not mind because they still had the vista from Fujimizaka, which has become a minor tourist attraction. Then, one day a decade ago, they learned of plans for a 14-story apartment building a mile away that would partly obstruct that view.

“My mind went blank with disbelief,” said Mr. Kaneko, 83. “That is when we realized what we were losing.”

With the help of a university professor, the neighborhood’s mostly graying residents formed the Society to Protect Nippori’s Fujimizaka, which Mr. Kaneko leads. The group has approached developers, landowners and local governments, but their efforts have collided with a preservation problem: Protecting a building or a park may be one thing, but how do you protect a view? Saving the view from Nippori’s Fujimizaka would require capping building heights within an elongated fan-shaped corridor three miles long and up to 1,000 feet wide across densely populated neighborhoods. So far, the society has met stiff resistance from city officials and developers in Tokyo, whose properties rose rapidly from the postwar ashes thanks in part to unrestrainedconstruction.

“Tokyo’s approach has been to build first, worry about beauty and preservation later,” said Kazuteru Chiba, the professor of urban planning at Tokyo’s Waseda University who helped form the Fujimizaka society. “This is true even when it involves a national emblem like Mount Fuji.”

Still, the neighborhood’s cause has slowly gained support in Tokyo, as part of a small but growing clamor to preserve the city’s remaining historical places. The neighborhood has benefited from Utagawa Hiroshige, one of Japan’s most celebrated 19th-century artists, who depicted the view from Nippori in a woodblock print.

Local media coverage has also focused on Nippori’s distinction as the last of 16 slopes in central Tokyo named Fujimizaka from which Mount Fuji is still visible. The naming of hillsides dates to medieval times, as a form of street address before Tokyo’s more recent neighborhood-based numbering system. Fujimizaka was the most frequently used name, reflecting the mountain’s sacred place in Japan’s indigenous Shinto religion, according to Noriko Ide, a leader of the Slope Society of Japan, a private group that chronicles the history of hillside names.

“It is a miracle that one of these slopes has survived,” Ms. Ide said, “so it is a precious cultural asset.”

The slope also figures prominently in Nippori’s local lore. In the closing days of World War II, a local woman claimed that while standing on the slope, she could see a flash and a funny-shaped cloud just to the right of Mount Fuji — at the exact moment that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, according to Nobuyuki Nozawa, a local veterinarian.

“Mount Fuji is like an old friend guarding us,” he said.

Other preservationists point out that protecting views is not without precedent elsewhere.

Vancouver, British Columbia, was a pioneer in the late 1980s with ordinances protecting “view corridors” of the city’s surrounding mountains from designated intersections and parks. Some American coastal communities restrict tall buildings that would block ocean views.

Two years ago, Tokyo took its first step in that direction with a plan to protect the scenery around four prominent historic buildings, including the national Parliament and the red-brick Tokyo train station. But city officials say they have only limited powers to restrict private property rights: in many cases, officials are limited to asking landowners to voluntarily show restraint in the heights of their buildings.

When the Fujimizaka society and local government officials approached the developer of the 14-story apartment building, they could only ask for his cooperation. The developer, the real estate arm of what is now the steel maker JFE Holdings, demanded $12 million in compensation for eliminating the top five floors from the $16 million building.

With such a sum beyond the society’s means, the developer went ahead with finishing the building in 2000. It now blocks the left third of Mount Fuji as seen from Nippori’s Fujimizaka.

One problem was jurisdiction, officials say: while Arakawa ward, where the slope is located, was enthusiastic about protecting the view, Bunkyo ward, where the 14-story building was erected, was afraid of losing the tax revenue from redevelopment.

Officials in Tokyo’s city hall say they could step in, but only if they felt there was a public mandate for protecting the slope’s view.

“Whoever heard of protecting a line of sight from a single point?” said Masafumi Tanaka, head of urban planning in the Bunkyo ward office. “We can’t just ignore property rights.”

Professor Chiba said the failure to stop the 14-story building so discouraged residents that the Fujimizaka society almost disbanded. “Then we realized there is still two-thirds of the view left. So we decided, let’s protect that,” he recalled.

The society has tried to increase public awareness by contacting landowners where tall buildings could be built that would block the remaining view. They also began organizing an event called Diamond Fuji, during the two times a year when the sun sets exactly on the top of the volcano’s symmetrical cone. The last Diamond Fuji, in January, drew 300 people, Mr. Kaneko said.

Still, like most residents, Mr. Kaneko is far from optimistic.

“I can’t imagine Nippori without Mount Fuji,” Mr. Kaneko said. “But it is probably just a matter of time before another building appears that will block what’s left.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/world/asia/12fuji.html?_r=1
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A short reminder for those interested:

Round Two Consultation

The City will be hosting a second round of public open houses to present view corridor options and gather public feedback on the options to inform study recommendations and outcomes. Come learn about the options on display, speak to staff, and give your feedback about the options presented.
Open House Schedule:

Saturday, October 17: 10 am – 5 pm
Sunday, October 18: 12 - 5 pm
Vancouver Public Library
Central Branch
350 West Georgia Street

Tuesday, October 20: 6 - 9 pm
False Creek Elementary
900 School Green

From: http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/capacitystudy/feedback.htm
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Surprised that no one has mentioned the info at the latest openhouses. I'm pretty sure some of you attended although I'm positive the largest complainers didn't even bother going.

They had an interesting model with 4 proposed sites.
1) 1200 Burrard St (D/T Toyota) ~400ft
2) 600 W Georgia St (Bay Parkade) 700ft
3) 100 W Georgia St (Old Bus Lot) 500ft
4) Foot of Georgia St 425ft.

The display boards will be up on the city site on Mon or Tue, their IT guy was off work on Friday.
Should be interesting to see how close those predictions come out. They also had Vancouver's Turn at the new height.
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They had an interesting model with 4 proposed sites.
1) 1200 Burrard St (D/T Toyota) ~400ft
2) 600 W Georgia St (Bay Parkade) 700ft
3) 100 W Georgia St (Old Bus Lot) 500ft
4) Foot of Georgia St 425ft.
If that is what the city is proposing... 'That's Great' as Tony the Tiger would say!
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Surprised that no one has mentioned the info at the latest openhouses. I'm pretty sure some of you attended although I'm positive the largest complainers didn't even bother going.
Sadly I wont be back home during times that correspond with city open-houses until early 2011 when my contract expires, and that's only if I choose to leave the CF.

Get any pictures of said model, or will I have to wait for upload?

As for the foot of Georgia street, are you talking about the triangular shaped lot on Expo Blvd. across the Georgia Viaduct from GM place? Would be a nice height for a building on that lot. Alternatively I'm thinking the proposed GM tower could be increased to that height (unless that is the intent).
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Be advised that these are only fictional proposals that represent what might come along and they are not current proposals. They probably aren't too far off.
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Well i gotta say I'm surprised the city would open up and say it was open to the option of a 700 footer at 600W Georgia without someone making a proposal first.
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^ The boards mentioned that specific sites are subject to further study. The City seems keen to extend the area in which higher buildings are considered south along Burrard and east along Georgia, and the proposed sites appear to have minimal impact on existing views.

Comment forms should be up on the City's website in the next couple of days. Armchair skyscraper enthusiasts: some support for the higher buildings concept certainly won't hurt our chances of seeing a few of these one day.
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Surprised that no one has mentioned the info at the latest openhouses. I'm pretty sure some of you attended although I'm positive the largest complainers didn't even bother going.

They had an interesting model with 4 proposed sites.
1) 1200 Burrard St (D/T Toyota) ~400ft
2) 600 W Georgia St (Bay Parkade) 700ft
3) 100 W Georgia St (Old Bus Lot) 500ft
4) Foot of Georgia St 425ft.

The display boards will be up on the city site on Mon or Tue, their IT guy was off work on Friday.
Should be interesting to see how close those predictions come out. They also had Vancouver's Turn at the new height.
Hmm, very interesting, I bet ol' Jimbo is pretty pleased about his decision to wait it out at the Toyota site.

And i thought there was some sort of guarantee for Westbank that SL would be the tallest in the city for some time to come... what happened to that?

Either way great stuff. Clearly the commute is a touch long for me to make it to the open house, but I'm looking forward to the boards being posted online. Thanks JL.
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Surprised that no one has mentioned the info at the latest openhouses. I'm pretty sure some of you attended although I'm positive the largest complainers didn't even bother going.

They had an interesting model with 4 proposed sites.
1) 1200 Burrard St (D/T Toyota) ~400ft
2) 600 W Georgia St (Bay Parkade) 700ft
3) 100 W Georgia St (Old Bus Lot) 500ft
4) Foot of Georgia St 425ft.

The display boards will be up on the city site on Mon or Tue, their IT guy was off work on Friday.
Should be interesting to see how close those predictions come out. They also had Vancouver's Turn at the new height.
Cool! Who owns the bay parkade site? They're sitting on landmark property (potentially). Funny, no mention of the Canada Post building site.
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I believe Holborn owns the Bay Parkade site.
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And i thought there was some sort of guarantee for Westbank that SL would be the tallest in the city for some time to come... what happened to that?
Where on earth did you hear that? Certainly there would have been people at the City suggesting that it would be the tallest for a while, but not guaranteeing anything.

Even the Ritz could’ve gone taller if they really cared about it.

Don’t be surprised if Westbank themselves are involved in building something taller than SL in the not too distant future…

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As for the Bay Parkade site, a model suggesting a 700 foot tower scenario would rely on the assumption of a significant reduction/elimination of the view cone on that site, since the current view cone limits almost the entire site to 291 feet in height. Not saying it won’t happen, but given the City’s current indication that they’ll only make minor adjustments to the view cones, rather than removing them outright, I would rate it on the unlikely side. Also, the City had previously argued that Holborn could accommodate full density of 10.0 FSR on the site without a height/view cone relaxation – now obviously they would argue their case otherwise, but the current view cone review would go a long way to determining how much flexibility the City will have on the issue.

On the other hand, could be a few more years before the parkade is redeveloped, so a lot can change. Surely we’re all aware by now how quickly Holborn moves…
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