Waterpark Developments - Page 7

canabiz · #1 Posted **Apr 18, 2016, 6:05 PM**

Jan Harder tweeted earlier today she was at ProSlide with Scott Moffatt for 2016 update on Alottawata. Wondering what's up?

daud · #2 Posted **Apr 18, 2016, 8:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by canabiz

Jan Harder tweeted earlier today she was at ProSlide with Scott Moffatt for 2016 update on Alottawata. Wondering what's up?

Proslide is ottawa technology so I fully support them but generally speaking, I would prefer to see collaboration with the existing waterpark instead of 2 waterparks. (actually 3 if you include Cascades)

It would be a shame if they "watered" down the market. (I'll give myself a groan for that one)

TheGoods · #3 Posted **Apr 18, 2016, 8:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by daud

Proslide is ottawa technology so I fully support them but generally speaking, I would prefer to see collaboration with the existing waterpark instead of 2 waterparks. (actually 3 if you include Cascades)

It would be a shame if they "watered" down the market. (I'll give myself a groan for that one)

Mont Cascades already use Proslide and are owned by them, see article.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...tain-1.2937221

I can't wait for Mont Cascades to start their expansion.

BlueJay · #4 Posted **Apr 19, 2016, 12:22 AM**

This update once released, will be a win win for the Ottawa-Gatineau region. A few years back when Mr. Hunter delayed the development on his Alottawata project, everyone was skeptical. But he is a smart business man who has one thing that sets him above the rest, and that is called Patience!

J.OT13 · #5 Posted **Apr 19, 2016, 12:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by daud

Proslide is ottawa technology so I fully support them but generally speaking, I would prefer to see collaboration with the existing waterpark instead of 2 waterparks. (actually 3 if you include Cascades)

It would be a shame if they "watered" down the market. (I'll give myself a groan for that one)

Seems completely nuts that Prolside would be building a second waterpark (third in the region). They are better off investing everything in making Cascade even more competitive with Tremblant, Calypso and Saint-Sauveur.

There's something about the Ottawa area hell bent on duplicating attractions instead of coming up with something new. Instead of a third water park or a second casino (or somehow end of with two proposals for an indoor parachuting experience; we could end of with two of five in North America) why not build an amusement park?

zzptichka · #6 Posted **Apr 19, 2016, 3:01 AM**

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Seems completely nuts that Prolside would be building a second waterpark (third in the region). They are better off investing everything in making Cascade even more competitive with Tremblant, Calypso and Saint-Sauveur.

There's something about the Ottawa area hell bent on duplicating attractions instead of coming up with something new. Instead of a third water park or a second casino (or somehow end of with two proposals for an indoor parachuting experience; we could end of with two of five in North America) why not build an amusement park?

Why invent stuff if you can build something that's known to be working?
There is clearly unmet demand for waterparks in Ottawa. Living in West end, I find Cascades boring for 1 hour drive, and lines in Calypso are just ridiculous. I've been there once on a weekday and I can't even imagine what it's like on a weekend. I would definitely visit this new waterpark with kids a few times a year.

TheGoods · #7 Posted **Apr 19, 2016, 8:24 PM**

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Why invent stuff if you can build something that's known to be working?
There is clearly unmet demand for waterparks in Ottawa. Living in West end, I find Cascades boring for 1 hour drive, and lines in Calypso are just ridiculous. I've been there once on a weekday and I can't even imagine what it's like on a weekend. I would definitely visit this new waterpark with kids a few times a year.

Calypso is busy but I’m guessing they need to be busy for them to recoup their investment in a business that is only open for 3 months of the year, from early June to early September.

For Mont Cascades, they are leveraging some of their existing infrastructure and staff. My opinion only, the best approach to invest in Mont Cascades and keep people in the region, I agree with J.OT13 comments.

lrt's friend · #8 Posted **Apr 20, 2016, 12:59 AM**

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Seems completely nuts that Prolside would be building a second waterpark (third in the region). They are better off investing everything in making Cascade even more competitive with Tremblant, Calypso and Saint-Sauveur.

There's something about the Ottawa area hell bent on duplicating attractions instead of coming up with something new. Instead of a third water park or a second casino (or somehow end of with two proposals for an indoor parachuting experience; we could end of with two of five in North America) why not build an amusement park?

At Rideau-Carleton. Make it a year long entertainment hub. It already has the Capital Fair (formerly Gloucester Fair) and would be a great venue for music festivals. Why not bring in a high class roller coaster that could operate all summer. Make it Ottawa's Wonderland.

J.OT13 · #9 Posted **Apr 23, 2016, 8:37 PM**

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At Rideau-Carleton. Make it a year long entertainment hub. It already has the Capital Fair (formerly Gloucester Fair) and would be a great venue for music festivals. Why not bring in a high class roller coaster that could operate all summer. Make it Ottawa's Wonderland.

Now that's a good idea. Build an amusement park, hotel and maybe of few of Devecore's ideas for LeBreton around the Rideau Carleton. It's central within the metro area and it's not going to shut down the city (downtown) when everything closes at 5pm-7pm.

canabiz · #10 Posted **Apr 19, 2016, 3:06 AM**

I definitely think the city can support another water park here.

This will bring in folks from the Valley/Kanata and the 416 corridor, going so far as Kingston if you will. The Calypso will always be popular for folks in the east end, Gatineau and even Montreal.

Will be interesting to see what Jan Harder has to share, she is usually on top of this kind of stuff.

eltodesukane · #11 Posted **Apr 19, 2016, 9:39 AM**

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canabiz · #12 Posted **Apr 21, 2016, 3:40 PM**

Jan Harder's latest e-newsletter indicates Proslide will start developing Alottawata in 2018. They will also introduce new technology at this park!

GREAT news for Barrhaven and surrounding area residents! Maybe the City can extend LRT to this neck o' the woods and/or build a 416 exit at Barnsdale? I can dream, can't I?

Mr.Flintstone · #13 Posted **Apr 24, 2016, 7:00 PM**

Just so I understand, the guy that owns Mont cascade and pro slides is going to open another water park in Ottawa, that competes with with one of his businesses. Also said business is getting renovations as well. Am I missing something here this doesn't sound like the best business plan?

BlueJay · #14 Posted **Apr 24, 2016, 11:47 PM**

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Just so I understand, the guy that owns Mont cascade and pro slides is going to open another water park in Ottawa, that competes with with one of his businesses. Also said business is getting renovations as well. Am I missing something here this doesn't sound like the best business plan?

In Business, it doesn't get much better than this when you have the option to market against yourself, when your really not marketing against yourself.

daud · #15 Posted **Apr 25, 2016, 4:03 PM**

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In Business, it doesn't get much better than this when you have the option to market against yourself, when your really not marketing against yourself.

This scenario really doesn't apply if you are adding substantially to your fixed costs to access the same market segment and pool. There are times when you can create 2 different brands for essentially the same product or service, but this is an advantage only when you are achieving significant cost savings sharing a single set of costs. I don't see how a second waterpark owned by Proslide will achieve those savings. Each location has its own high set of fixed costs-infrastructure, land etc..

It makes little business sense from my point of view to have 2 waterparks owned by one company in the same market. The only reason to do so might be a temporary measure to force out the competition or if they plan to close Mont Cascades and eventually run with a single site. The waterpark market is constrained enough by the short season, operating 3 parks in a market-I can't see the profitability in that over the long term. So, for one company to open 2 locations-there has to be other objectives than profit in the near term.

BlueJay · #16 Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 12:36 AM**

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This scenario really doesn't apply if you are adding substantially to your fixed costs to access the same market segment and pool. There are times when you can create 2 different brands for essentially the same product or service, but this is an advantage only when you are achieving significant cost savings sharing a single set of costs. I don't see how a second waterpark owned by Proslide will achieve those savings. Each location has its own high set of fixed costs-infrastructure, land etc..

It makes little business sense from my point of view to have 2 waterparks owned by one company in the same market. The only reason to do so might be a temporary measure to force out the competition or if they plan to close Mont Cascades and eventually run with a single site. The waterpark market is constrained enough by the short season, operating 3 parks in a market-I can't see the profitability in that over the long term. So, for one company to open 2 locations-there has to be other objectives than profit in the near term.

It's not just two waterparks. His plan for Mont Cascades is an all season resort with all season attractions. The Barrhaven project will be a seasonal attraction but more than just a waterpark and the added benefit is that it will also serve as a marketing tool to expand his global Proslide company. Opinions will change once the plans for Alottawata are made public. In the Meantime, Valcartier ( Calypso ) are also adjusting their plans for their future growth. These projects are a step in the right direction for a Capital Region known for it's lack of fun attractions. For Mr. Hunter this is a long term profit plan that makes perfect business sense.

J.OT13 · #17 Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 3:18 PM**

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It's not just two waterparks. His plan for Mont Cascades is an all season resort with all season attractions. The Barrhaven project will be a seasonal attraction but more than just a waterpark and the added benefit is that it will also serve as a marketing tool to expand his global Proslide company. Opinions will change once the plans for Alottawata are made public. In the Meantime, Valcartier ( Calypso ) are also adjusting their plans for their future growth. These projects are a step in the right direction for a Capital Region known for it's lack of fun attractions. For Mr. Hunter this is a long term profit plan that makes perfect business sense.

How will it be more than a waterpark?

daud · #18 Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 6:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by BlueJay

It's not just two waterparks. His plan for Mont Cascades is an all season resort with all season attractions. The Barrhaven project will be a seasonal attraction but more than just a waterpark and the added benefit is that it will also serve as a marketing tool to expand his global Proslide company. Opinions will change once the plans for Alottawata are made public. In the Meantime, Valcartier ( Calypso ) are also adjusting their plans for their future growth. These projects are a step in the right direction for a Capital Region known for it's lack of fun attractions. For Mr. Hunter this is a long term profit plan that makes perfect business sense.

As a consumer (and one with kids who lives in the south end) its welcome news. As proslide also seems to be a very successful manufacturer in this sector, I would suppose they have done their due diligence and know what they are doing. You can appreciate how, on the surface, certain aspects don't look like ideal conditions for opening a 3rd park. Look forward to learning more!

canabiz · #19 Posted **Apr 25, 2016, 1:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mr.Flintstone

Just so I understand, the guy that owns Mont cascade and pro slides is going to open another water park in Ottawa, that competes with with one of his businesses. Also said business is getting renovations as well. Am I missing something here this doesn't sound like the best business plan?

I can only speak for my immediate family (and my extended family and friends/acquaintances, to a certain degree), but we would be more inclined to visit the water parks, and to visit them more often, if we did not have to drive 1hr+ each way (from our place to both Mont Cascades and Calypso).

J.OT13 · #20 Posted **Apr 25, 2016, 3:39 PM**

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I can only speak for my immediate family (and my extended family and friends/acquaintances, to a certain degree), but we would be more inclined to visit the water parks, and to visit them more often, if we did not have to drive 1hr+ each way (from our place to both Mont Cascades and Calypso).

Are you likelier to drive 2 to 5 hours to visit an amusement park?