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Old Posted Aug 31, 2006, 3:56 PM
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That's why I get furious when I hear ANYONE say "It'll block my views" because they are looking at it from such a selfish standpoint. YET, they probably LOVE their last trip to Manhattan because it was filled with people on the streets and for the skyscraper fanatic, high-rises everywhere. Well kids, those skyscrapers are all "blocking" each other's views! Midtown Manhattan anyone? Hong Kong anyone? Vancouver anyone? Sao Paulo anyone?

What do they all have in common? Enough density to create a much more interesting pedestrian environment that fuels the kind of innovative retail that makes walking such a pleasant experience. TRY WALKING in Downtown LA and tell me how "pleasant" it is. It is FAR from being pleasant at this time because there are only PATCHES/islands of retail that FAIL miserably to creating the kind of powerful environment that even Old Town Pasadena now has.

The limited retail we do have in Downtown LA is sadly broken up by desert-like expanses of surface asphalt parking lots. The kind of selfishness and parochial views many developers have when it comes to PARKING is incredible. Many developers are deathly afraid that another tower will be built next to them because it'll take away parking for their retail! What they FAIL to realize in their shortsightedness is that more towers equal more people which is how places like Manhattan somehow have flagship retail that pull-off some of the highest grossing sales in their respective chains, such as Whole Foods in Time Warner Center...all without having parking! HOW THE FUCK DO THEY DO THAT? LOL Well kids, once again, it's called LOTSA density and the mass transit that takes them there.

LA has just got it all wrong and it's excerbated by idiots who want nothing more than a "view" from their freakin' "lofts."

First of all, I call it a Luxury Apt not a freakin' loft. Second, I paid 20-30K more for this view versus that view, this floor verses that floor, This building versus that building. I think that gives me the right to admire are complain about the view as much as you. Who am I going to complain to anyway? It's the builder that refurbed this bldg that is building all the buildings around me anyway. Selfish? How do you think I got here? I flipped a few houses in suburbia, the last one a 5 bedroom on the golf course for just me and my wife, what in the hell did we need four guest rooms for? I jumped out of that market a year ago to come downtown and cash in (while I enjoy the view) Actually, it turns out I kind of like it downtown and might stay a while. Personally, I like when a building is being built in front of me, I think of each one as another 20-30K of equity. I argue the right to complain about views for my wife who loves our building but despises any new buildings being built in front of us (blocking our view).

     
     
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A voice of reason:

LAB, I think you're being a little hard because let's be very realistic, when a developer is trying to sell these units, what is the prototype image you get a view of the Downtown Skyline. The Skyline was the selling point for some folks. You'd be pissed too if someone sold you something and then at the next minute it was taken away. This is no different to parts of the Sunset Strip where a higher building was going to block a certain actor's view.

As for the pedestrian life, Part of Pasadena, Long Beach and Santa Monica's success is the effort of the city to provide parking in the back while folks can stroll along clean streets with simple amenties like street furniture. Parking lots can be determental to pedestrian life, so is bad urban design. Such as Macy's Plaza with it's beautiful 1970's era brick wall cladding along Flower, 8th, Hope blocking off potential street life. Or how about the underground 505 Flower. Underground shopping centers and passageways are nice when there's exisitng density there. There is none., so that sucks life like a Hoover vacumn. Thankfully the Market Lofts project will provide that for allowing folks to actually walk to get their groceries. In fact it will provide some incentive for some developers to go dare I say it shorter with a marvelous view and sell it at a higher rate because of the proximity of amenties.

Downtown is in it's 2nd infancy as a residential neighborhood, so it will take a little patience for some to understand that.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2006, 11:14 PM
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k3d, nice shot of the lights on 1100 Wilshire. I'm not really a fan of them, but just having that building lit up at night makes a tremendous effect on the night skyline when viewing from the south. I'm so glad that building's finally being put to use.
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I jumped out of that market a year ago to come downtown and cash in (while I enjoy the view) Actually, it turns out I kind of like it downtown and might stay a while. Personally, I like when a building is being built in front of me, I think of each one as another 20-30K of equity. I argue the right to complain about views for my wife who loves our building but despises any new buildings being built in front of us (blocking our view).


First of all, thanks for the pics, k3d. The more the better. Your shots of the hood also mean Colemonkee doesn't have to be the only one doing all the work in keeping us up to date with the latest photos.

And, sheesh, LAB, don't have a coronary over ppl's differering opinions, wrong though they may be. After all, I almost fell out of my chair some time ago when you said you liked seeing graffiti on freeway walls & weren't all that bothered by the sight of fugly phone poles all over town.

But I do agree with you that NIMBY reactions towards highrise devlpt & blocked views in DT don't make any sense, esp when ppl have so many other things to complain about. Mainly all the deadzone parking lots & small dives that still dominate the area around the skylofts bldg & South Pk. Still, I can understand why k3d's wife & others prefer views that stretch beyond a big wall right across the street, or even closer than that, from their condo or apt.

I remember looking out of the window of a hotel in NYC several yrs ago & feeling kind of squeezed in because there was a whole bank of other windows (& ppl on the other side of them) staring right back at me. But I won't complain about something like that when, again, there's soooo many sites in DTLA that need to be filled in ASAP.
     
     
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the last paragraphs emphasize why i want to move to the Roosevelt!

When Fast Food Leaves

Two Restaurant Closings on Seventh Street Start a 'McFlurry' of Theories

by Kathleen Nye Flynn

When two staple fast food eateries disappeared simultaneously from the corner of Seventh and Figueroa, more than a few people took notice.
The closure of the McDonald's location in the Fine Arts Building at 811 W. Seventh St. is evidence, some say, of a strengthening "retail spine" running through Downtown. Photo by Gary Leonard.

"It's the new health-focused higher-end population of Downtown," economic experts opined.

"It's the resurgence of Seventh Street," city officials gloated.

"It's corporate America," said one passerby wondering why her McDonald's was suddenly gone.

The restaurants vanished last month. Burger King, at 800 W. Seventh St. at the corner of Flower, was the first to go. McDonald's quickly followed, officially shutting its doors two weeks ago in the Fine Arts building at 811 W. Seventh St. A sign in the window says that it has moved to 404 W. Seventh St., at the corner of Hill Street.

Set to open in Burger King's spot is Wokcano, an upscale version of the Asian fast-casual restaurant that has moved from its previous location near the Staples Center. The restaurant is asking city approval to stay open late, have outdoor seating and serve beer and wine, said Amy Raine, a broker for Cushman & Wakefield, the real estate firm that negotiated the deal. The McDonald's spot is still in negotiation, said Steve Provencio, an acquisitions director for Alliance Commercial Partners, who now owns the Fine Arts Building.

A slew of fast food restaurants opened during the first Downtown boom in the early 1990s, when the area was ripe with the nine-to-five corporate lunch crew flocking to the new office buildings. With the chains' cheap prices, they held together through the market's subsequent plunge.

Now the quick and easy eats might have met their match, some Downtown experts say, and it's in the form of the hip, health-conscious loft dweller who likes to stay up late, drink a double soy latte and start a meal with a side salad.

"Landlords are looking to upgrade their retail while restaurants are moving to full service to take advantage of the new Downtown market and the evening diners," said Derrick Moore, a retail property advisor for the Urban Redevelopment Group. "If you look at other urban centers in Southern California, they're switching out quick service buyers for a more hip, more urban bar and lounge, full-service setting. It's because the population is changing and it's what the residents are demanding."

That's what partly happened to the Fine Arts Building's McDonald's, said Provencio. The restaurant's lease was up, and the new owners are now looking for something that will complement their building's commercial clientele.

"We intend to go through a leasing process and scour the market for a retail tenant to add to the building," Provencio said. "Maximizing the rent isn't what we are after. We would like a tenant that will improve the leasing ability of the building and create a better asset all around."

Elusive Mid-Level Meals


The new downtown population needs restaurants to stay open later, and preferably locations that include bars, Moore said. With the recent Downtown boom focusing on residential as opposed to just offices, the full-time crowd needs full-time fare.

But, he warned, Downtown should also maintain mid-level restaurants too, even if it sacrifices of the low-end options along the way. The area already has cornered the market with the white linen-tablecloth establishments like Pinot, Patina, Noé and Traxx, but that's not necessarily food to eat while on the run.

"Downtown is doing a fine job at going upscale, but it would be wise to bring in more mid-scale restaurants," he said.

Moore listed El Torito and Applebee's as examples of restaurants that are an upgrade from fast food, but only by a couple of dollars. Library Court's collection of healthy-but-inexpensive grab-and-go restaurants, including Wolfgang Puck's Gourmet Express, Loose Leaf Salad and Mitaki Sushi, are good examples of the push for mid-level fare that can still feed the lunchtime rush, he added.

Fast food isn't being pushed out, he said, just pushed to the sidelines: to mid-block sites, less popular corners like McDonald's new location at Hill and Seventh streets, or inside shopping centers, like its California National Plaza and Macy's Plaza locations, Moore said. This leaves free prime corners such as Seventh and Flower streets and historical buildings - supple ground for plush eateries.

"These are nice, established corners," Moore said. "The fast food restaurants are moving to more in-line spaces, which still works well for them."

Others say that it really isn't a trend at all - that the specific places closed because the stores just aren't the right size or shape that's good for business anyway. Including the location moving to Hill Street, there are still five McDonald's and a slew of Quizno's and Subway locations in business in Downtown.

"These closures aren't necessarily market-driven," said Dick Carter, a real estate consultant who has worked for both McDonald's and Burger King. He said that the McDonald's space, with its second story and odd floor plan, had always been awkward and the Burger King space, at 6,000-sqaure-feet, was always too large. While it's evident that Downtown is attracting new, high-end restaurants, the two fast food joints in question weren't necessarily chased out, he said.

After all, the Carl's Jr. nearby at Grand and Sixth streets remains - although it's currently closed while the building is under construction.

That's just because they have a three-year lease, however, said Izek Shomof, the owner of the building.

"We had a lot of big, upscale restaurants trying to move in here," Shomof said. "But Carl's Jr. has a few years left on their lease."

He agrees with those that say low-end restaurants are losing out due to the high-end residents. He points to the opening of a high-end pizzeria at Sixth and Spring streets and an upscale coffee house that's replacing LA Café on Spring Street. Even the Carl's Jr. at the base of his building is following the upgrade trend and "spending a lot of money in renovating the place," Shomof said.

Amy Raine, the broker for Cushman and Wakefield, negotiated the deal to fill Burger King's new space and participated in the search to fill the old McDonald's storefront. Although a Burger King representative said that the company can't release any information on why the store closed, Raine said that the rent in both places was high - McDonald's had paid about $15,000 a month - and both of the restaurants' leases were up.

"McDonald's did inform us that it was an underperforming location for them," said Ted Reis, the president of Blue Realty, who owned the Fine Arts Building from 2002 until earlier this year. He added that McDonald's lease for the space was signed in 1985.

McDonald's representatives did not return phone calls.

"I think some of the existing fast food places in Downtown will do better now, but overall the whole population here is changing and the restaurants will change, too," Raine said. "It will create a void for a few people, but it makes the place more interesting."

LaShawn Penson, a loft resident at Fifth and Spring streets, couldn't help but stop and read McDonald's closing sign as she walked by on a recent Wednesday.

"It's corporate America," she said, referring to the people working in Downtown. "They're starting to eat healthier, and they're not after this type of food."

Lucky Number Seven


According to Carol Schatz, president of the Downtown Center Business Improvement District, the restaurants' closures are not merely indicative of the resurgence of Downtown, but, more specifically, demonstrate the renaissance of Seventh Street.

"It's been a high priority of the BID to make Seventh Street into the retail spine of Downtown," Schatz said. "All these new tenants there point to it being successful."

Seventh Street was once the hub of Downtown; that changed in the last couple decades as more energy poured into Bunker Hill development and the Metro Red Line construction chased away foot traffic and retail.

Now, three new loft buildings are set to open within the next year surrounding the corner of Seventh and Flower, including the Brockman Building at 530 W. Seventh St., the Coulter and Mandell buildings at 500 and 518 W. Seventh St. and the Roosevelt building at 727 W. Seventh St. Altogether, they account for nearly 360 new units in the area.

Developers of the Roosevelt Lofts building, which is under construction, say that they will upgrade their low-end eateries, which includes La Salsa and Great Steak and Potato Company. Further bolstering the nightlife, 213 Ventures, the company responsible for the popular Broadway Bar and the Golden Gopher, will open the Seven Grand bar at 515 W. Seventh St.

"Seventh Street is going to become a residential street," said Brady Westwater, president of the Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council. "Sit-down restaurants will be good for the area because they help to develop a sense of community, to integrate residents, and give new comers a chance to know the community better."
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 2, 2006, 12:00 AM
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That would be cool if the area could get some mid-scale restaurants. I could imagine maybe a Cheesecake Factory, PF Changs, BJ's Brewery, or something along those lines all along 7th.
     
     
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More good news from the DT News...

Broadway Plaza Lofts Moves Ahead

he redevelopment of the Broadway Plaza Lofts, a former Blackstone department store at 901 S. Broadway, into 82 loft-style apartments is going ahead after developer Vista Affordable Housing Corp.'s recent settlement with contractor Fassberg Construction Co., said Wolfgang Kupka, Vista president. The delay had left the building roughly 55% complete for several months. With additional funding, Vista is now on track to restart construction by the end of the year and to open the adaptive reuse of this 89-year-old building as early as next June. The building, 20% of which will be affordable housing, will feature 400- to 1,300-square-foot units over 9,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space.

page 2, 9/4/2006
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PICTURES!!!

I went downtown yesterday and took a couple pictures, though there really hasn't been that much interesting progress, though the Wolfgang pucks seemed happening in the evening.

The good: There were quite a few people out at 6:30 in the morning, and 6-7AM is one of the hours needed in order to make downtown LA a 24 hour city.

The bad: Packard, metlofts, elleven, that whole area, theres absolutely no retail to speak of in any of the buildings. You'd think that there would be, seeing as many of the residents have moved in, but no.

Also bad: The met loft red square shit wasn't lighting up, and i was jumping on it and everything.

Also bad (though having nothing to do with me going downtown): Axis at union station is a complete waste of space. Union station isn't really near any office buildings, so everyone that takes metrolink has to run to the redline in order to get to work. It's great that the rail network converges on a midrist apartment complex. And its empty.

Elleven, luma, construction...


Market Lofts, it looks like they've painted a small area


Hanover tower rising


I love how macy's plaza interacts with the streetscape


And a bonus: wilshire and vermont...
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Nice shots, yakumoto. Look at Wilshire and Vermont comin' on strong!

On the subject of retail in South Park, I think we're still a ways off - probably 3-6 months - before any retail opens (other than Liberty Grill, which is already open). The retail tends to lag behind the residential construction because it's typically not the same contractors building the building and fitting out the retail space. So give it some time. I'm thinking the Starbucks in Elleven will open about the same time that some of the Luma people start moving in in April of next year. That's just a guess though, maybe some of the Elleven people on the board have a better idea from their HOA meetings.
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you love how macy's plaza interacts with the streetscape???????????? wtf?

btw, the met loft lights are only on in the evenig and nightime hours. not at 7 in the morning. and please don't jump on them. it is quite obvious when they're on.
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Speaking of Liberty Grill, I had lunch there with some classmates last week -- it was busy and the food was good. We sat on the patio -- the views of LA Live from the patio will kick ass in a few years.

Next on our list: Tiara Cafe.
     
     
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you love how macy's plaza interacts with the streetscape???????????? wtf?
I'm sure he was sarcastic. I've always wondered if billboards along that brick facade would help Macy Plaza's business or at least make that stretch of Flower between 7th and 8th a little more colorful.
     
     
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That would be cool if the area could get some mid-scale restaurants. I could imagine maybe a Cheesecake Factory, PF Changs, BJ's Brewery, or something along those lines all along 7th.
I see what you're going for, but I sincerely hope we don't get the same restaurants that every downtown or suburban "food center" (Burbank, Porter Ranch, Valencia 'Town Center' etc) has. If we want tourists to come to a world-class city's downtown district, we shouldn't be offering the same thing as said tourists may have in their own hometowns.

I think that restaurants like the Daily Grill are okay because they're not ubiquitous in every downtown in the nation. Cheesecake Factory, TGI Fridays, BJ's, Islands, Outback Steakhouse, Claim Jumper, and so on are just so common.

Yeah, I'm done with the rant now.

By the way, Macy's Plaza should DEFINITELY put up some bright LCD ads on the sides of the building at the very least, if it's not going to add entrances to the stores on the street level.
     
     
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Since the subject of restaurants is raised, we had dinner tonight at the Spring Street Smoke House, Carolina-style bbq on the edge of Chinatown. That's a truly unexpected food joint, the type of place that makes a city interesting. It's all about balance and diversity. DTLA needs lots kinds of places, cheap and expensive, standard and off-the-wall, chains and local favorites.

Driving around tonight, it is so obvious that Downtown L.A. is on the right path. There were so many people walking around, way more activity than even a year ago. MOCA was having some big event that drew a large crowd to Grand Avenue. But there were also just people strolling, walking there dogs, tourists, etc.

I was listening to KROQ the other night, the DJ was listing events. One of the events was in DTLA. Then, he took a minute to describe how Downtown is really becoming a great place, people are moving there, restaurants are opening, construction is booming. It was an unexpected treat to hear positive comments about our city's center.
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^ I like reading first hand accounts similar to that. And speaking of ppl walking their dogs, here's another sign of changing times:

They're on Cloud Canine

As downtown L.A. gentrifies, it's becoming increasingly friendly for dogs and their owners. Some residents do have a problem with the smell.

By Cara Mia DiMassa, Times Staff Writer
September 3, 2006

When Joseph Cornish moved to downtown Los Angeles in 2000, he had just endured the breakup of a personal relationship and was searching for "something different, in all kinds of ways." Downsizing from a home in Mount Washington to a loft in the Old Bank district, Cornish brought few belongings with him other than clothing and a 5-year-old bull terrier named Ruby.

He and Ruby became a near-constant presence on the streets of downtown, and at first the sight of the burly man and his white-and-black dog was an oddity, out of character for an area more used to office workers and homeless people than a new resident and his devoted canine. But, slowly, more dogs began to appear on the streets. "Somebody stopped and told me Ruby was the sign that things are starting to change," said Cornish, 56, recently. "We are visible, out there walking the streets, claiming the territory block by block as we walk with our dogs."

As downtown Los Angeles shifts from being a purely commercial center to something a bit more residential, perhaps the most visible sign of gentrification is this: The dogs have arrived. Some estimates say that half of downtown's new (human) residents are dog owners.

"Downtown has become ... dog-friendly," said Jay Blumberg, president of Bark Avenue, a pet boutique and boarding facility that offers grooming and dog-walking, and even delivers dog food to downtown lofts.

"It's not unusual to see a guy walking a couple of beagles, or even bigger dogs, in an area where you would never see residents walking dogs before," said Los Angeles Police Capt. Andrew Smith.

Demographic surveys of downtown residents help explain why the area has become a destination for the canine set. Residents are mostly young and childless, either singles or couples with a fair amount of disposable income. The dog owners among them say they are drawn to the area in part because most downtown buildings accept pets — a standard unmatched elsewhere in the city — and are dog-friendly, with open rooms and concrete or tile floors. When they step outside, the animals offer a sort of balm on the rough stretches of some streets.

Lauren Riddle, a resident of the Pacific Electric Lofts at 6th and Main on the edge of skid row, said that her 1-year-old bulldog, Guinness, acquired soon after she moved downtown, is her safety net. "For the most part, people on the streets are afraid of dogs," Riddle said. "I don't think I would have made it without Guinness."

For Riddle, almost every walk with her bulldog is an opportunity to meet people. "The people at restaurants know him and know that he loves bacon," she said. "I have just been able to meet everybody through this dog. He is my No. 1 social life planner."

On a recent Friday afternoon, Riddle and Guinness were posing for pictures for Chip Latshaw, a fellow Pacific Electric resident who started his career as a canine photographer soon after moving into the building and noticing the preponderance of loft-dwelling dogs. Latshaw was rolling around on the concrete floor of Riddle's unit, his elbows holding a digital camera aloft as Guinness nipped at a yellow squeaky toy. "You meet all of these people with these great dogs," he said.

Developer Tom Gilmore, whose buildings in the Old Bank district are home to about 150 dogs, said he is more likely to remember the canines in his buildings than their owners. "The sad truth," he said, "is that I am not great with people's names. But I know all the dogs' names. So everyone is Apollo's father and mother, or Ruthie's parent."

Around 6:30 every weekday morning, about a dozen dogs gather in the marble lobby of the Metro 417 building at 4th and Hill, where they are all residents, for their carpool to doggie day care at Bark Avenue. Melissa Esquivel, Bark Avenue's director of retail, lives in the building, and she said it's always fun to buckle the pups into her Lexus four-door and drive them the 2 1/2 miles to the store.

Esquivel said that downtown pet owners pamper their pups — some shelling out nearly $400 a month for the day care and purchasing "paw-dicures," doggie nail polish and swimsuits, and designer carriers. With downtown perhaps the densest pet zone in the city, it's almost inevitable that pet-friendly businesses are taking off.

Brandon Hochman, co-owner of a company called Pet-a-Potty, which sells portable lavatories for the four-legged set, said the district represented a "perfect niche" for his business. Downtown dog walker David Cerwonka said that his company, Walk Fido, is growing by a dog a week. In all, downtown has nearly a dozen pet-related companies. In addition to pet boutiques and dog walkers, the area features the city's only nightclub for canines, sponsored by Pet-a-Potty and Bark Avenue, among others, and benefiting a local dog rescue organization.

Dogs and their owners march down a red carpet — lined by fake paparazzi — to a rooftop penthouse. Both the dogs and their owners are decked to the nines in colorful outfits. Organizers roll out 2,500 square feet of sod for the pooches to play in — in areas designated for big and small dogs. On the rooftop overlooking downtown's skyline, DJs spin a dance track and guests munch catered food (wine and cheese for the humans, a brownish, soupy "gourmet" stew in small crystal goblets for the dogs).

Whether intentionally or not, downtown dog owners have become a cultural and political force. Behind discussions about gentrification, green space, pedestrian-friendly zones and clean and safe streets, dog owners are often guiding the debate. When dog owners complained about the drug dealers they saw on their daily ambulations — providing police with specific information, including photographs — the police cracked down and made arrests. Residents broached the idea of a dog park in a discussion about the 16-acre civic park being built near City Hall.

Less than a month after moving to downtown from Fresno, Jaime Campbell found herself in a fight to reopen Pershing Square, all in the name of her massive 3 1/2-year-old Newfoundland, Bear. Campbell and her husband live with Bear in the Barry Lofts on 5th Street. Downtown, she said, was one of the few areas where she could easily find a home for a dog Bear's size. But she's already frustrated by the lack of areas where Bear can do his, ah, business.

A large portion of Pershing Square had been cordoned off behind yellow police tape since the beginning of the year, with little explanation from authorities. So Campbell posted notes on a website for dog owners, urging fellow "big paw" advocates to take up the issue.

She and others placed petitions in all of the downtown lofts and circulated them online. They organized a letter-writing campaign targeting Councilwoman Jan Perry and the city's Recreation and Parks Department. Soon, said Campbell, "we're going to start bombarding them with phone calls." A few days after those efforts began, a portion of the park was reopened.

But downtown dog owners said it's not enough, noting that one of their biggest challenges about living in the heart of the city isn't the crime and homelessness but finding a place for Fido to do his business. In some cases, developers are trying to create private areas for dogs. Metro 417 at 4th and Hill reserves specific floors for pet owners. Other buildings have special layouts.

When the Pacific Electric Lofts opened last August, the developers advertised the dog-friendliness of the building, including a dog run. Several residents have said that the long hallways are a perfect place for a game of catch or Frisbee with their canines. But those efforts suffered some growing pains. The rooftop area set aside for dogs quickly became a source of conversation on the electronic bulletin board that residents use to keep in touch. "I am shocked how bad it smelled up there," wrote one resident, who had taken out-of-town guests on a tour of the building. "It was breathtaking."

Neighbors complained online when dog owners failed to clean up after their pooches. They debated whether the synthetic grass that was part of the dog run's design was retaining odors. "Gotta feel bad for the guy next to the dog run," wrote another resident. "Washing the artificial grass over and over is killing me, but it is a needed evil task as others have not done it out of pure laziness."

Building manager Terry Burns said that construction has already begun on a dog-run remodel. "It's being done the right way," she said, "so we do have proper drainage. We're putting synthetic grass down in a [different] way that will be able to deter any smells, things like that."

The project will cost close to $10,000, Burns said, "but they love their dogs!"
     
     
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I'm thinking the Starbucks in Elleven will open about the same time that some of the Luma people start moving in in April of next year. That's just a guess though, maybe some of the Elleven people on the board have a better idea from their HOA meetings.
From the August e-Newsletter

"At street level, Starbucks started construction on their space on August 7. A few doors down, the new salon is expected to start construction shortly. We are also working with the City of Los Angeles to begin installing the signs and parking meters on Grand Avenue and 11th Street so that owners, guests and retail tenants will soon have access to more street parking."

From what I can tell, Starbucks should be open in about a month.

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^ ah! Thanks, edkao. So they've already started construction on the space. I'll try to get some pics of it during a photo tour today or tomorrow.
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Since the subject of restaurants is raised, we had dinner tonight at the Spring Street Smoke House, Carolina-style bbq on the edge of Chinatown. That's a truly unexpected food joint, the type of place that makes a city interesting. It's all about balance and diversity. DTLA needs lots kinds of places, cheap and expensive, standard and off-the-wall, chains and local favorites.
I LOVE the food they have. I haven't actually been inside the space yet, but it's definitely unexpected, as you say. During the Chinatown Food Festival I saw their booth (unexpected, again) and their food was hands-down the best during the festival. The owner/operator (I think) was very friendly.

A friend that I was with was from one of the Carolinas, and she struck up a good conversation with the owner about barbeque sauce. I definitely need to check out the actual restaurant.
     
     
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I see what you're going for, but I sincerely hope we don't get the same restaurants that every downtown or suburban "food center" (Burbank, Porter Ranch, Valencia 'Town Center' etc) has. If we want tourists to come to a world-class city's downtown district, we shouldn't be offering the same thing as said tourists may have in their own hometowns.

I think that restaurants like the Daily Grill are okay because they're not ubiquitous in every downtown in the nation. Cheesecake Factory, TGI Fridays, BJ's, Islands, Outback Steakhouse, Claim Jumper, and so on are just so common.
I also see what you are trying to go for... BUT I dont think that THAT specific area of DTLA is trying to attract the tourists. I agree that those restaurants we mentioned are common but I feel that 7th needs something known- something that is already established - to boost the area. It would bring people to the area. Then that would pave the way for the smaller "unique" restaurants. There should be a mixture of the two.
     
     
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