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Old Posted Jan 19, 2016, 3:43 PM
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I've just been given a referral there... No longer feeling like that's a good thing.
I was a bit creeped out by the specialist referral at first, knowing what the upper floors are for.

But now, having seen the upper floors in action, I am amazed by what goes on up there, out of sight, out of mind. The skill set you must have to work with palliative patients... I know I don't have it.
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So you're making it sound like they don't really care about the field research there. If so, why did they hire a man & dog to drive Canada geese away from the crops?
Because the crops in question weren't yet given final approval, so there was concern about the geese eating them and possibly pooping out their seeds elsewhere, leading to experimental genes leaking into the ecosystem.

It is for precisely this reason that AAFC wants more indoor testing space.
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Because the crops in question weren't yet given final approval, so there was concern about the geese eating them and possibly pooping out their seeds elsewhere, leading to experimental genes leaking into the ecosystem.

It is for precisely this reason that AAFC wants more indoor testing space.
Interesting. I had thought it was mainly to prevent the test results from being eaten.

That is a good reason for indoor testing, but we still need field testing to reflect real world climate & pest conditions.
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Interesting. I had thought it was mainly to prevent the test results from being eaten.

That is a good reason for indoor testing, but we still need field testing to reflect real world climate & pest conditions.
Thing is, that sort of testing can be done anywhere and doesn't necessary have to happen on the CEF site.
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2016, 1:38 AM
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And what are your thoughts on the 100 year old soil carbon sequestration experiment at the spot that was given to the hospital?
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And what are your thoughts on the 100 year old soil carbon sequestration experiment at the spot that was given to the hospital?
Not nearly as big of a loss as the media would have you believe.

There are some long running experiments on the farm and certain sites that have a great deal of research value due to their unique aspects that remained constant over a long period of time. However, these sites are almost exclusively in the eastern fringes of the farm along Prince of Wales. Not much would be lost scientifically if everything west of about Fairmont/Morningside was sold off.
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Not nearly as big of a loss as the media would have you believe.

There are some long running experiments on the farm and certain sites that have a great deal of research value due to their unique aspects that remained constant over a long period of time. However, these sites are almost exclusively in the eastern fringes of the farm along Prince of Wales. Not much would be lost scientifically if everything west of about Fairmont/Morningside was sold off.
If they sold off half the farm, could they invest in a vertical farm building? Somewhere on the farm
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If they sold off half the farm, could they invest in a vertical farm building? Somewhere on the farm
I've heard scientists bring up that idea. I have no idea how expensive a "farm tower" would be, but given the huge profits that could come from selling off the land money isn't much of an issue.
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Just read about this in the Western Producer.

http://www.producer.com/2016/01/coal...arm-in-ottawa/

I have no dog in this hunt, just thought I would stick in another view of the proposal.
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Personally, I'd rather see the land sold off for development in some way, either for the hospital, or some other public use such as parks and recreation space. Its utility as an experimental farmland for the government is likely behind it, due to the city expanding around it. How much is air pollution from traffic affecting the soil, for example? Canada's large enough that the government can easily acquire farmland for experimentation outside Ottawa. A "heritage" cornfield in the middle of Ottawa? Blows my mind.
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Personally, I'd rather see the land sold off for development in some way, either for the hospital, or some other public use such as parks and recreation space. Its utility as an experimental farmland for the government is likely behind it, due to the city expanding around it. How much is air pollution from traffic affecting the soil, for example? Canada's large enough that the government can easily acquire farmland for experimentation outside Ottawa. A "heritage" cornfield in the middle of Ottawa? Blows my mind.
The farm functions fine inside the city. The issue is whether the city should have to deal with all that land sucked up by the farm, when almost everything done on it, can be done somewhere else.
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This kind of comment would really throw off the old guard that considers the farm sacred hallowed ground, but I have to say : get rid of the ridiculous fucking farm in the middle of the city...this is insane. All of it's functions can be fulfilled better elsewhere. We can keep the museum and some pastoral land for the cows perhaps, but 90% of it needs to go. I love all the preaching about 'intensification' and 'densification' yet we have an ENORMOUS farm right in the core of the city.
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Regardless of the farms location, is accross the street from where the current hospital is really the best location? I say no.

It is good for drivers, but accessibility by public transit it is not the best location. That is why I am still a firm believer that it should be located at the Carling station on Trillium. If helicopters are the issue, they have the ability to land on roofs, which means the hospital could be located anywhere really, but on a, dare I say it, 'major' transit trunk makes most sense; farm be damned.
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Environment Minister Catherine McKenna vows to revisit Experimental Farm land transfer
Citing 'worrying' lack of paperwork, minister says she'll look at 'all the options'

By Amanda Pfeffer, CBC News Posted: Jan 28, 2016 5:37 PM ET Last Updated: Jan 28, 2016 8:10 PM ET


Federal Environment Minister Catherine McKenna told reporters she has "concerns" about the impending transfer of 24 hectares of land from the Central Experimental Farm to The Ottawa Hospital, and said it's not too late to revisit the decision.

"I have concerns the former minister (John) Baird did this I think without a lot of consultation, so I'm exploring what happened," McKenna said following Question Period at the House of Commons Thursday.

The decision to lease the land to the hospital was made official in November 2014 during an announcement at The Ottawa Hospital by Baird, who was joined by the hospital's CEO Dr. Jack Kitts.

The hospital needed the land "for the construction of a world class hospital and teaching facility," according to a media release issued at the time.

McKenna's comments came in response to a letter signed by close to 50 agriculture and climate change scientists and heritage advocates. It's addressed to McKenna, Agriculture Minister Lawrence MacAulay and Heritage Minister Mélanie Joly.

"This land is not just any land," the coalition wrote. "The fields proposed for transfer are the historically and scientifically most significant."

McKenna met with the group Jan. 6.

Retired Agriculture Canada scientist Harvey Voldengh is a member of the coalition, and has carried out a number of scientific experiments on crops in that particular section of the farm.

"We think they should look for another site," said Voldengh in an interview. "It's rather special for research in climate change and food security."

Voldengh said some of those experiments have been going on for decades, so transferring the land now would set the research back considerably.

An access to information request filed by the coalition revealed scientists at the Experimental Farm had not been informed of the decision to hand the land over to the hospital before the public announcement.

An email from scientist Edward Gregorich to Marc Savard, Agriculture Canada's associate director of research, development and technology on the very day of the announcement described his experiments as "irreplaceable."

"These plots are part of a tillage trial established more than 20 years ago," Gregorich wrote.

"I know. They didn't care," Savard responded.

"As a representative of Ottawa Centre, I've heard concerns about the fact that the land was transferred by former minister Baird," said McKenna. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of paper work, which is worrying."

McKenna said it's not too late to reconsider the decision because the land has't been transferred to the hospital yet.

"I think we need to look at all the options," said McKenna.

The National Trust for Canada listed the experimental farm lands as one of the country's 10 most endangered sites in 2015 because of the impending transfer.

The Ottawa Hospital was not ready to respond Thursday night.

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Sure, I can accept this, but please keep the hospital central. If it's not at the Experimental Farm, it should be at the site of the now demolished Carling Building.
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'We have to get this right': Hospital looks for options beyond Experimental Farm

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 10, 2016 | Last Updated: February 10, 2016 7:00 AM EST


More than a year after announcing a new Civic hospital would be built on 60 acres of the historic Central Experimental Farm, The Ottawa Hospital now says it is reviewing other options in an effort to have “a hospital and a farm, not a hospital or a farm.”

In a statement to the Citizen Tuesday, chief executive Jack Kitts acknowledged the hospital is reviewing its choice of location for a new super hospital on farm land across from the existing hospital and looking at other potential sites.

“We’ve listened to those in the community who have asked we study and re-confirm that that choice still remains the best option. As a result, we will review it, and conduct the appropriate due diligence to confirm that the recommended site remains the best option. We will also study whether new options might have become available.”

Kitts also confirmed the change in direction for the hospital in an email to a member of the coalition fighting to protect the farm. In the email — supplied to the Citizen on Tuesday — Kitts said the hospital is revisiting alternative sites, including ones at Tunney’s Pasture and at the location of the former Sir John Carling building.

“We are currently in consultation with key stakeholders to identify other sites in the core or close proximity to the city core that may have become available since 2008 and re-evaluating sites in proximity to the core to determine if they will meet the future healthcare needs of our community,” Kitts wrote in an email to Leslie Maitland, the past president of Heritage Ottawa and member of the coalition to protect the Farm.

“We have to get this right,” Kitts wrote.

Kitts added in the email: “We will continue to look at options that will meet the needs of not just our community for the next 100 years. We have to find a solution where we have a hospital and a farm, not a hospital or a farm.”

The hospital, Kitts wrote in the email, is working with the federal government, the province and the city to see whether new options, close to the downtown core, “might be feasible.”

It is the first indication since plans to sever 60 acres of the farm were announced in November 2014 that the historic research fields — that were to be dug up to make way for a new hospital — might be preserved.

That announcement, by Kitts and former Ottawa cabinet minister John Baird, was made with no public consultation or warning. It took almost everyone by surprise — including researchers who had spent much of their careers working on the fields where the hospital was to go. That work included long-term soil experiments that contributed to the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize.

Scientists from around the world wrote to the then-Conservative government to express outrage that “irreplaceable research” would be destroyed to make way for the hospital.

The Experimental Farm is also a national historic site, a designation that carries little clout, however.

News that the hospital is considering alternatives to the Experimental Farm research fields comes as Catherine McKenna, Ottawa MP and federal environment minister in the Liberal government, has suggested it is time to look at other options for a hospital site.

In a statement from her office, McKenna said she had heard concerns about the proposed land transfer.

“I would like to better understand exactly what happened and what the possibilities are moving forward. I know all parties involved in this issue want to find a solution in a timely manner. While I believe we need a hospital in Ottawa Centre, I think we need to look at all possible options.”

Despite that, the hospital appeared to be moving ahead with plans to eventually build a new multibillion-dollar hospital on the Experimental Farm site, although the land transfer, which has been in the works since 2014, is not yet finalized.

The hospital has hired PACE Consulting and tentatively scheduled March 7 as a date for public consultations. Maitland said she was told by the NCC that the consultations would focus on design, “not real estate.” That was also the message she got from PACE Consulting, she said.

The hospital says it originally looked at 12 possible locations based on a dozen criteria, including rapid access to care based on the proximity of the hospital to the centre of the city and public transportation. It eventually selected the Experimental Farm land at Carling and Fisher avenues. A map of the land to be transferred indicates it would include several historic research fields and require farm roads to be moved.

An engineering assessment of the current Civic campus — which opened on Carling Avenue in 1924 — revealed that re-building on the existing site would take 20 years longer and would cost $1 billion more, the hospital says.

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...erimental-farm
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2016, 2:39 PM
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It was wrong from the start for the hospital to even consider the historic Central Experimental Farm.
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Or at least to have been so wasteful - they were proposing a campus-style, one or two-storey expansion. If they proposed something which was much more efficient with space (no surface parking, four or more storeys, reduced setback from Carling), I personally would have found it more reasonable.
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The corner where the Sir John Carling building was seems to make far too much sense to become reality....
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The corner where the Sir John Carling building was seems to make far too much sense to become reality....
The best location IMO would be in the development lands across the street from Carling station. The community would probably throw a fit as they're under the false delusion that the land is "Queen Juliana Park" (which is wrong--it's federally owned lands reserved for development, not a park), but it would be the best site. Near the current one, centrally located, by rapid transit. Plus we could get finally a grade separated pedestrian crossing of Carling out of it maybe.
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