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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 1:49 PM
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So now we wait for some unelected and unaccountable committee decide the future of Hamilton's public transit...

Hamilton's post-LRT task force made its $1B recommendation Monday
It's not clear when the public will know what the task force is recommending

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/task-force-1.5499350

Hamilton's transportation task force recommended Monday how the province should spend $1 billion in former light-rail transit (LRT) dollars, although it's not clear when the public will know what those recommendations are.

The task force of five provincial appointees submitted a report to Transportation Minister Caroline Mulroney on Monday afternoon regarding if the money should be spent on LRT, rapid transit, or a combination of other transportation projects.

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Mulroney will review the recommendations now, Valeri said, and likely meet with the task force in April, depending on how busy the province is with COVID-19 matters then.

Provincial officials will "undertake further due diligence such as identifying any commercially sensitive information," the province said in an email Monday. "This will take place prior to any release of key outputs of the task force."
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 1:52 PM
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We ranked Canada's transit systems from worst to best! Enjoy this video.

https://youtu.be/zxKtgO6LRZM
Good video. They're getting better too.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 6:59 PM
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We ranked Canada's transit systems from worst to best! Enjoy this video.

https://youtu.be/zxKtgO6LRZM
Nice video man! Really like your overall knowledge on all these systems, keep it up
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 7:56 PM
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I wonder if Covid-19 might result in more delays in transit projects across the country.
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It may be hard to justify financially if existing transit systems see noticeable permanent loss in ridership, as people become unwilling to stand so close to each other and more downtime needed to ensure vehicles are kept clean and disinfected.
This is going to cause a massive recession, and possibly a D..... Transit projects are a great stimulus to the economy. That is why many roads were built in the 1930s. I suspect any project that could have shovels in the ground within a year likely is fair game.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 9:39 PM
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While I think we truly are heading into a depression, massive infrastructure projects won't make any difference.

Even if the governments can justify spending these huge sums while running sky-high deficits, the situation today has set all previous notions of how to kickstart the economy on it's head. Infrastructure projects have always assumed that there will be people willing or able to work to build them but just one case of the virus sends the entire work crew home. Also projects require supplies in which to build them but our supply chains are breaking down. All the money in the world for a subway doesn't do any good when they can't get the steel or concrete to build them or the drivers to carry away the excavation.

We are in unchartered territory and normal recession fighting notions are no longer valid.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 9:46 PM
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 10:35 PM
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While I think we truly are heading into a depression, massive infrastructure projects won't make any difference.

Even if the governments can justify spending these huge sums while running sky-high deficits, the situation today has set all previous notions of how to kickstart the economy on it's head. Infrastructure projects have always assumed that there will be people willing or able to work to build them but just one case of the virus sends the entire work crew home. Also projects require supplies in which to build them but our supply chains are breaking down. All the money in the world for a subway doesn't do any good when they can't get the steel or concrete to build them or the drivers to carry away the excavation.

We are in unchartered territory and normal recession fighting notions are no longer valid.
We can still design, consult, and such. A lot of that can be telework. A lot of the construction can be rather self isolated. Might have to put in other measures for certain sites. We will adjust to a new norm where things can go on without creating lots of risk.



The Deputy PM today said a lot of work will be preserving capacity so that when we are ready, we can get the economy going at near capacity again, rather than waiting 25 years to recover organically after collapse. Think of it as hibernation for much things, not death.



And yeah, we will have concrete, steel, as much as possible will be kept going.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2020, 11:19 PM
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Also, other COVID transit news from Alberta:
Edmonton either had a sick out or management decided to try running Saturday service today, either way, big mistake for trying to social distance.
Calgary is now doing only rear door boarding and unloading (except in mobility circumstances), and Calgary Transit has been deemed an essential service.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 2:25 AM
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Also, other COVID transit news from Alberta:
Edmonton either had a sick out or management decided to try running Saturday service today, either way, big mistake for trying to social distance.
Calgary is now doing only rear door boarding and unloading (except in mobility circumstances), and Calgary Transit has been deemed an essential service.
OC Transpo and STO have implemented the same rear door entry requirement. The front of the bus (driver cab and co-op seating) are also cordoned off with caution tape.


https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo/status/1239948405692157952

We're still running full service, but it might be beneficial to reduce service at least a little; drivers are overworked and we need to catch-up on maintenance along the Confederation Line. There's a balance to be found between Ottawa-Gatineau's full weekday service and Edmonton's Saturday service. Ten minute bus frequencies could be reduced to 15 minutes (as opposed to 30 minutes on weekends) and train service could be reduced to 5 minutes at rush hour and 7 minutes off peak (as opposed to 3.5 minutes at rush and 5 off peak).
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 2:41 AM
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While I think we truly are heading into a depression, massive infrastructure projects won't make any difference.

Even if the governments can justify spending these huge sums while running sky-high deficits, the situation today has set all previous notions of how to kickstart the economy on it's head. Infrastructure projects have always assumed that there will be people willing or able to work to build them but just one case of the virus sends the entire work crew home. Also projects require supplies in which to build them but our supply chains are breaking down. All the money in the world for a subway doesn't do any good when they can't get the steel or concrete to build them or the drivers to carry away the excavation.

We are in unchartered territory and normal recession fighting notions are no longer valid.
Not to mention we are already experiencing a labour shortage. Most projects currently ongoing are over budget and/or delayed. If the potential workforce is already at capacity, more projects won't help.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 5:26 PM
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Free transit for now....

HSR buses now free to ride, passengers must enter from rear doors due to coronavirus
The seats directly behind drivers must remain vacant and passengers must stay behind the yellow line

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/hsr-buses-free-coronavirus-1.5501569

In another response to promote social distancing and tend for the city's most vulnerable, HSR buses will be free to ride, but passengers must enter through the rear doors.

The city of Hamilton said in a release it is implementing the measures starting Thursday, March 19.

"Customers are asked to stay behind the yellow line at the front of the bus, and to keep the seat(s) behind the operator free at all times," reads the release.

"HSR continues to be a safe method of travel, this is a precautionary measure in an effort to increase social distancing, particularly for bus operators."

Paul Johnson, the director of the city's emergency operations centre, said on Tuesday the yellow line behind bus drivers has also been moved farther back.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 6:03 PM
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I don't know what Viva you are talking about. Blue is ok service, yes, but other lines are often 30 minutes or even worse frequencies. Green doesn't operate at all outside of peak hours.
You're the one who doesn't know what VIVA you are talking about. VIVA debuted in 2005 with 10-15 minute frequency ALL DAY on ALL routes (Blue, Orange, Purple, Green), on top of the existing local YRT service. It was an immediate increase of around 700k service hours to 1.0M service hours annually, a 50% increase in service, but the ridership only increased around 20%. That's why they had to cut the system to its current state.

Because the problem with the YRT system is not gaps in the schedules, but the huge gaps between routes, namely the gap at Steeles. They need to add a route along Steeles. Not even one continuous east-west corridor south of Rutherford. They need a complete grid. South of Rutherford is where most of the ridership is and that is where the gap is. They need to close this gap.

Service level follows ridership level, not the other way around. They can double all the frequencies but ridership will not grow to fill those buses until this fill this huge gap in their system.

Mississauga had the same problem with the lack of service along Matheson. They extend 39 Britanna east from Kennedy along Matheson and suddenly ridership of the route exploded, to the point they have to use articulated buses. Articulated buses on a route with 25-30 minute frequency all day. Frequency basically the same as before, what drew riders was the closing of the gap. That's what YRT needs to focus on, filling all of the gaps in the system.

Having a complete network, allowing people to go from A to B, in the most direct path possible, with the shortest walking distances possible, those are the foundations of a useful transit system. Things like frequencies and limited stops are on top of that foundation, they are secondary. YRT just lacks the proper foundation.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 7:24 PM
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Here is map for VIVA I made awhile back. YRT needs to establish foundation for their network to be able to build upon it, and VIVA on Steeles does both.

     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 7:56 PM
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While I think we truly are heading into a depression, massive infrastructure projects won't make any difference.

Even if the governments can justify spending these huge sums while running sky-high deficits, the situation today has set all previous notions of how to kickstart the economy on it's head. Infrastructure projects have always assumed that there will be people willing or able to work to build them but just one case of the virus sends the entire work crew home. Also projects require supplies in which to build them but our supply chains are breaking down. All the money in the world for a subway doesn't do any good when they can't get the steel or concrete to build them or the drivers to carry away the excavation.

We are in unchartered territory and normal recession fighting notions are no longer valid.
Look at the transit projects that were approved in the 2008 recession. I would guess that we could see most transit projects approved. This would include many of the projects waiting for an approval and those that were cancelled due to budgetary reason.

To understand what I mean, loo at what the governments did in the 1930s.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 8:25 PM
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Look at the transit projects that were approved in the 2008 recession. I would guess that we could see most transit projects approved. This would include many of the projects waiting for an approval and those that were cancelled due to budgetary reason.
But the difference for 2020 is this economic collapse is being triggered by a contagious disease. Without a vaccine, will people still ride transit in great numbers, and will trains and buses be allowed to fill up if social distancing still needs to be practice?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 8:32 PM
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In that case, road projects make more sense. I did raise my concern about that in the Quebec Highway Thread. Acajack was like, "Unless a bunch of workers falls sick, those projects continue as are."
Well that discussion belongs in the highway thread.
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Doady, I still think that it's better to run a regular 900-series TTC route (953A) along Steeles Avenue (between Highway 27 and Staines Road?) without having to dip to Finch Station, which will require Yonge Line to be extended past Steeles, at least. For the fare integration, YRT and TTC should simply cut out a deal. Yes, there may be many riders along Steeles Avenue, but York Region definitely won't touch it. Exception will be if that express and frequent bus is terminated at Cornell instead, in which case it's better run by YRT.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 9:22 PM
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But the difference for 2020 is this economic collapse is being triggered by a contagious disease. Without a vaccine, will people still ride transit in great numbers, and will trains and buses be allowed to fill up if social distancing still needs to be practice?
I am not saying it will happen tomorrow, but once this all blows over and life gets back to somewhat normal.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2020, 10:41 PM
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Look at the transit projects that were approved in the 2008 recession. I would guess that we could see most transit projects approved. This would include many of the projects waiting for an approval and those that were cancelled due to budgetary reason.

To understand what I mean, loo at what the governments did in the 1930s.
Make-work was already confirmed in QC for transit and other infrastructure plans. It's the ideal time to do it because of lower costs i general and it helps the economy. Ontario would do it backwards.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2020, 2:07 PM
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Davisville is an original station from the opening of the Yonge Subway in 1954 and is my favorite subway station. Enjoy, and consider sharing and subscribing!



https://youtu.be/JKaQ56J4LW0
Thanks Reece. Looking forward to watching it. I appreciate that you continue posting new content during these times of isolation.
     
     
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