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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 1:31 PM
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Apparently the revitalization project of the New Brunswick Museum could cost around $150 million.

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"Revitalizing the New Brunswick Museum in Saint John will likely cost somewhere in the range of $150 million.

The figure comes as officials announced the new museum will be in its original home on Douglas Avenue.

“That’s an ambitious goal for these days and it’s quite possible that that number can come down,” Dr. Kathryn Hamer, chair of the museum’s board, said about the estimated price tag.

Officials have spent the past several months trying to determine where the revitalized museum would go in Saint John.

The museum’s Douglas Avenue location first opened its doors in the 1930s, but officials realized by the early 1990s that they needed more space.

In April 1996, the museum officially opened its exhibition centre in Market Square uptown. The Douglas Avenue building continued to house its collections centre and archives.

After two years of closures — first due to COVID-19, then due to the required building repairs as a result of leaks — officials permanently closed the exhibition centre last fall.

The Douglas Avenue facility has also been facing issues of its own related to leaks, officials have said.

In March, the city’s Planning Advisory Committee signed off on a temporary use approval allowing for the museum to use a warehouse-style facility at 228 Lancaster Avenue as an interim space for its collections facility.

Hamer said while the Douglas Avenue building is “not in good condition” right now, structural engineers are confident it can be retrofitted.

“If you’d asked me about the Douglas Avenue site five years ago, I would have said it’s a crumbling wreck, but it is salvageable and I think it will make a very fine start to the new facility,” she said.

Officials said they will incorporate a new design with the nearly century-old facility, which will be upgraded and preserved. In addition, the plan will avoid any impact on the nearby Riverview Memorial Park.

A number of nearby homes will be torn down to make way for the expanded museum, which will also include off-street parking.

Hamer said some of the building’s more recent add-ons will be removed while the original structure will be expanded — all while maintaining the iconic facade.


“There’s a lot of fondness for that old building and a lot of people who can remember being taken to it as school kids or with grandparents on a rainy Sunday afternoon,” she said.

“When we start with something people like and we can build something onto it that people will like too, it’s going to be a winning combination overall.”

Officials had previously planned to build a new museum along the Saint John waterfront at a cost of $100 million.

But in 2018, the Progressive Conservatives under Premier Blaine Higgs government pulled a $50-million funding commitment that had been made by the previous Liberal government a year earlier, effectively cancelling the project.

The next phase will involve detailed design, planning and costing for the project. A series of soon-to-be-announced public engagement sessions are also being planned around the province.

Hamer said they still hope to have the revitalized museum open to the public by early 2026 but added that delays are “almost inevitable” in the construction process.

“You run into something unexpected or a supplier can’t supply exactly on time, but the target date would be the first quarter of 2026.”
https://www.country94.ca/2023/07/24/revitalized-n-b-museum-could-cost-150m-officials/
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 2:06 PM
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A city official said recently in an article that the city still hasn't turned the site over to the developer. The city is finishing up their preparations of the property. He said he anticipates the site turnover to happen by the end of July.

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I thought I had read somewhere that the site prep/seawall work had finished in January?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 2:16 PM
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I thought I had read somewhere that the site prep/seawall work had finished in January?
I thought the prep work from the city was done, but apparently it's not yet finished. Guess it was just the seawall work that is finished.


Here's the article from July.11th that mentions Fundy Quay, (in case people missed it).

https://www.country94.ca/2023/07/12/waterfront-progress-moving-forward-in-the-port-city/

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"Fogan says he doesn’t know the specific scheduling plans for the Fundy Quay development but that the city has been working closely with developers to ensure all the infrastructure work is coordinated.

“We’re working with them on how the site is serviced,” he says noting the collaboration and preparation for storm sewers for the buildings planned at the site. “We’re working on the infrastructure and working to also finalize the turnover to the site….It’s the city’s responsibility to remediate the site, raise the seawall, and get the preparation done for the turnover to the developer. We’re just in the final stages of finishing up that process.”

He says those final stages involve identifying quantities of granular deposits and allowing opportunities for testing soil densities and other pre-construction tasks. He anticipates the turnover will be happening by the end of July".
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 5:00 PM
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I thought the prep work from the city was done, but apparently it's not yet finished. Guess it was just the seawall work that is finished.


Here's the article from July.11th that mentions Fundy Quay, (in case people missed it).

https://www.country94.ca/2023/07/12/waterfront-progress-moving-forward-in-the-port-city/
Well, perhaps infrastructure like water and sewer need upgrades,expansion etc before construction can begin? Of course that raises the question of why it wasn't done over the past two years while other site work was happening?

There seems to be zero sense of urgency or efficiency about this project.

It's like having the Market Square patios closed for two full seasons while contractors putter along. Seriously?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 7:23 PM
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Well, perhaps infrastructure like water and sewer need upgrades,expansion etc before construction can begin? Of course that raises the question of why it wasn't done over the past two years while other site work was happening?

There seems to be zero sense of urgency or efficiency about this project.

It's like having the Market Square patios closed for two full seasons while contractors putter along. Seriously?
It is beyond frustrating. There is zero civic leadership and everything seems to be “secret squirrel” when it comes to transparency. But we have paper straws and no plastic bags.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 7:30 PM
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IIRC they extended water, sewer, and power back in March.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 9:23 PM
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Awesome addition to uptown

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 9:59 PM
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 10:10 PM
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It’s a dining patio on top for Wasted Day brewing - in the container looks like it will be a bar as the street side rolls up. Photo doesn’t do it justice, shot at a bad angle
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2023, 11:29 PM
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It’s a dining patio on top for Wasted Day brewing - in the container looks like it will be a bar as the street side rolls up. Photo doesn’t do it justice, shot at a bad angle

Moncton gets a 30 story tower and 3 15 story ones.....Saint John gets a repurposed shipping container. Hmmmmm.......seems about right.

OTOH....Looks like it would have an unobstructed view of the harbour seeing as THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ACROSS THE STREET.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 1:14 AM
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Moncton gets a 30 story tower and 3 15 story ones.....Saint John gets a repurposed shipping container. Hmmmmm.......seems about right.

OTOH....Looks like it would have an unobstructed view of the harbour seeing as THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ACROSS THE STREET.
Saint John has beautiful spaces - we tend not to see that when we focus on the negative
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 2:35 AM
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I think we throw in the towel and see what first nation people can do for us in regards to honestly everything
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Telegraph Journal is reporting that council rejected the updated Ethos Ridge, (retirement complex), proposal at 2100 Sandy Point Road. There was a crowd of residents at the public hearing last night opposing it. https://tj.news/greater-saint-john/102145032
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 1:44 PM
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Telegraph Journal is reporting that council rejected the updated Ethos Ridge, (retirement complex), proposal at 2100 Sandy Point Road. There was a crowd of residents at the public hearing last night opposing it. https://tj.news/greater-saint-john/102145032
I don’t have a subscription. Does it give the reasons why or next steps?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 1:56 PM
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Qu'est-ce que c'est? .... Almost perfect

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It’s a dining patio on top for Wasted Day brewing - in the container looks like it will be a bar as the street side rolls up. Photo doesn’t do it justice, shot at a bad angle
These pop-up container bars are nice for parks but Uptown has such amazing building facades, it seems unfortunate to obscure the storefront with this. Although the upper patio does looks nice.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 2:23 PM
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I don’t have a subscription. Does it give the reasons why or next steps?
I don't have a subscription either. But watching back the meeting, I gather it's because of the design of the building has changed especially the parking lot, storm water runoff concerns and extending the Sunset Clause that was placed on the development back in 2021. So they motioned to deny the requested changes to the originally approved proposal back in 2021. I'm thinking since it's been a couple years with nothing started yet.
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I don’t have a subscription. Does it give the reasons why or next steps?
Went from a 125 unit high end seniors retirement complex nestled in the trees with attractive amenities to a cheapened box shaped "glorified 167 unit apartment building" surrounded by a large asphalt parking lot. Still no assurances about start or completion dates. Glad to see council took a stand and listened to the residents on this one. I would think parking would be an issue too with fewer than one spot per unit and no mention of visitor parking. It's hardly a central "walkable" location.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 5:04 PM
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With no underground parking, pool, spa, or dock, it's no longer an 'active senior's dream retirement living.' It's an apartment in the woods. They're right to say no to this.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2023, 7:18 PM
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Not sure how serious developer is anyhow - like that one of Tim can beach. Hard to know if they were truly going to develop it, or sell it on MLS as a package like Peter Pappas did for his Millidgeville 250 unit + development
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2023, 12:27 AM
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Not sure how serious developer is anyhow - like that one of Tim can beach. Hard to know if they were truly going to develop it, or sell it on MLS as a package like Peter Pappas did for his Millidgeville 250 unit + development
Updated TJ article now quotes the developer as saying they will go back to the drawing board, look for cost savings, but proceed with the original project.



I guess we'll see
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