The Official Moncton, NB Project Thread - Page 686

ChampduLarge · #**13701** Posted **Jul 6, 2024, 7:52 PM**

I don't comment here often, but we're all best to ignore this fellow with his own set of statistics that he doesn't share. I agree that when someone is presented with data they don't like and they simply say "I don't believe" it's time to move on, he is not discussing things in good fait. We have a nice community here and this troll needs to go.

DevelopmentAndy · #**13702** Posted **Jul 6, 2024, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by lirette

There is no point in having a conversation with this person anymore.

As soon as they said they "disagree" with official numbers as if it were an opinion on what the tax rate should be it was clear to me this person doesn't want an actual conversation.

The original claim was that attendance was in decline in universities in NB. I demonstrated over the last 6 years that is a false claim. Then they suddenly shifted to look further back in the past and that international students don't count. The goal posts will just move no matter what is presented.

I vowed to leave but since nobody on this thread seems to have Google. I will provide a link giving you all of the information. Here it is including the foreign student numbers. I am not wasting any more time on this. https://www.stu.ca/media/stu/site-co...uary-2023-.pdf Take look at Appendix C. All of the data is in there and supports what I have been saying but I think it is actually worse than this but I am not breaking it out further.

DevelopmentAndy · #**13703** Posted **Jul 6, 2024, 10:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by ChampduLarge

I don't comment here often, but we're all best to ignore this fellow with his own set of statistics that he doesn't share. I agree that when someone is presented with data they don't like and they simply say "I don't believe" it's time to move on, he is not discussing things in good fait. We have a nice community here and this troll needs to go.

The point is that the enrolment numbers, generally in decline, do not support a financial case for the investment in additional university spaces especially if institutions are relying on foreign students for their enrolment numbers increasing short term and that is a very unstable and unreliable metric. I am not moving the goalposts at all. If there is a slight post covid increase it is also not a basis to make such an investment.

mylesmalley · #**13704** Posted **Jul 7, 2024, 12:36 AM**

I don't particularly feel like wading into the topic of the merits of another university. However the question of enrolment numbers is apparently a pretty fuzzy one.

Just in five minutes of Googling, depending on whether you look at Fall term, full year, undergraduate or all students, full or part time, etc., there's a lot of variation.

https://www.atlanticuniversities.ca/...2-3-FTPT-2.pdf
The Association of Atlantic Universities

https://www.unb.ca/finance/_assets/d...y-combined.pdf
UNB's Office of Institutional Analysis

https://www.mphec.ca/media/226169/Ta..._2022-2023.pdf
Maritime Provinces Higher Education Commission

https://www.stu.ca/media/stu/site-co...uary-2023-.pdf
St Thomas University

Supplementary to that, it's worth looking that the school enrolment statistics coming up to university age.

https://asdeast.nbed.ca/wp-content/u...ch-21-2023.pdf

https://www2.gnb.ca/content/dam/gnb/...-2020-2021.pdf

Patapouf26 · #**13705** Posted **Jul 8, 2024, 2:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by DevelopmentAndy

I am not believing those numbers one bit, they are speaking English taking into account the bias that will clearly be present. So, yes those numbers are probably what people responded and those going back to a French speaking country may be speaking French; otherwise, people are saying one thing and many are doing another.

Is that your takeaway from these stats? They do indeed debunk the thought that French is mostly unused by UMoncton graduates, but that English is also very much in use.

A quick argument for the use of French - think of all the healthcare workers graduating from the institution who mostly go to Vitalité (mostly in French) and all the graduating teachers who mostly go to the French district school boards (only in French). The fact that 70% of graduates go back to their county (not country) of origin shows that their native language is very present in their professional lives.

MonctonRad · #**13706** Posted **Jul 8, 2024, 2:40 PM**

There is an abundance of francophone educational resources in the greater Moncton area.

The situation is much more muddied on the anglophone side. An anglophone UNB campus in greater Moncton remains quite necessary (either that or an urban campus of MTA, but, I don't think they are interested).

jonny golden · #**13707** Posted **Jul 8, 2024, 3:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

There is an abundance of francophone educational resources in the greater Moncton area.

The situation is much more muddied on the anglophone side. An anglophone UNB campus in greater Moncton remains quite necessary (either that or an urban campus of MTA, but, I don't think they are interested).

I think you're right about their lack of interest in a Moncton campus - money also being a factor. But I am encouraged about UNB wanting to expand their offerings in Moncton. A new downtown location with expanded programs is a start, and maybe somewhere down the road we could see another expansion.

I'd really like to see them opt for 1222 Main Street, but somehow I don't think it'll happen.

Like I said before, is that building even on UNB's radar? Is Crombie even aware that UNB has expressed an interest in expanding in Moncton? Even if they are aware, would they be pro-active and approach UNB about 1222 Main Street?

MonctonRad · #**13708** Posted **Jul 8, 2024, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by jonny golden

Like I said before, is that building even on UNB's radar? Is Crombie even aware that UNB has expressed an interest in expanding in Moncton? Even if they are aware, would they be pro-active and approach UNB about 1222 Main Street?

All very good questions................

MonctonRad · #**13709** Posted **Jul 8, 2024, 11:39 PM**

City of Moncton press release:

Moncton Reports Strong Building Permit Activity in the Second Quarter of 2024
2024-07-08

The City of Moncton has experienced a significant surge in building permit activity for the second quarter of 2024. A total of 437 permits were issued, representing a combined value of $92.2 million. Year to date, the total building permit value stands at $148.6 million, marking a 50 per cent increase compared to the same period last year, which was valued at $99 million.

The residential sector continues to thrive, with 152 permits issued, creating 306 new residential units. The total value of these residential projects amounted to $48.1 million, which accounts for 52 per cent of the second quarter’s building permit volume. Notable projects include a $16.6 million, 123-unit apartment building at 310 Millennium Blvd. and a $13.2 million, 87-unit apartment building at 161 Leopold F. Belliveau Dr.

Investment in institutional and government infrastructure also saw significant growth, with 21 permits issued totaling $12.2 million. A major highlight in this category is the $4.4 million excavation, ground works, and site preparation for phase 2 of the Atlantic Science Centre project at 343 Université Ave. and a $1.1 million renovation to accommodate a Wee College daycare at 260 MacNaughton Ave.

Commercial and industrial construction permits were robust, with 51 permits valued at $29.9 million, representing 32 per cent of the second quarter's building permit volume. Significant projects include the $8.8 million renovation of a 129,000 sq. ft. warehouse at 25 Trinity Dr. by U-Haul and a $5.2 million construction of a 41,000 sq. ft. warehouse for Gentek Building Supplies at 111 Desbrisay Ave.

“The strong building permit values we’ve seen this quarter highlight the confidence investors and developers have in Moncton’s potential,” says Kevin Silliker, director of economic development for the City of Moncton. “These projects are not just numbers: they represent homes, jobs, and opportunities for our community. We are dedicated to supporting this momentum and ensuring that Moncton remains an attractive destination for business and investment.”

MonctonRad · #**13710** Posted **Jul 10, 2024, 11:48 PM**

Here is the agenda for the July meeting of the Moncton PAC.

https://www5.moncton.ca/docs/pac/PAC...24_juillet.pdf

Pretty slim pickings, and, nothing worth posting

There is a disconnect between the meagre PAC offerings and the robust building permit numbers. I presume this is because the vast majority of building permits issued are either being issued "as of right", or, for previously approved projects.

MonctonRad · #**13711** Posted **Jul 15, 2024, 2:55 AM**

These four items are up for debate at the Moncton City Council meeting on Monday night:

1) - Amending conditional zoning resolution for Eastgate
2) - New rezoning application - 4 Curry Street
3) - Rezoning application - 1187 Shediac Road
4) - Rezoning application - 54 Maplewood Drive.

I am most intrigued by the possibility of a conditional rezoning amendment for the Eastgate subdivision. I wonder what's up with that???

MonctonRad · #**13712** Posted **Jul 16, 2024, 12:48 AM**

Mayor Dawn Arnold's Facebook summary of today's city council meeting:

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Big Public Session of Moncton City Council today — at the Avenir Centre (Council chambers are being renovated)!

We began with two quick public presentations on active transportation and Senior’s programming, followed by a Codiac RCMP presentation by Inspector Jonathan White.

From there, we went right into Planning Matters, including:
*an introduction to amending the conditional rezoning at Eastgate Village
*an introduction to a new zoning application at 4 Curry Street
*the public hearing for the rezoning at 1187 Shediac Road
*the public hearing for the rezoning at 54 Maplewood

From past Private Sessions we approved trail easements on Humprey’s Brook Trail, agreed to invest $620,000 for a roundabout on Marriott Drive, the signing of a 5-year contract with PAW (People for Animal Wellbeing) and the exercising of our option to repurchase land from Galco Atlantic Investments Network Ltd. For $1M.

In Reports from Administration, we:
*agreed to have administration include a position in our 2025 budgeting process for a new “Community Development Officer” to assist with Seniors programming and also agreed to contribute $49,000 to the Branch 6 Royal Canadian Legion for the provision of Senior’s activities February-August 2024
*approved our “Community Grant Policy”
*made minor administrative changes to ourf “Dangerous and Unsightly Premises and Property” bylaw to include recently annexed areas
*approved a contract for St. George Street Improvement Plan (Alta Planning + Design Canada Inc.=$164,836)
*agreed to award a contract for property management services at City Hall (Brookfield Global Integrated Solutions Canada=$621,396)
*agreed to award the contract for a new cold storage dome at our Operations Centre (Quantum Construction Maritime’s Ltd=$1.5M)
*agreed to award a tender for the supply and delivery of crushed stone, sand and aggregate (Grey Rock Materials Inc.=$192,264)
*awarded a contract for trail upgrades (Modern Construction=$1.4M)
*awarded a contract for traffic calming upgrades on Twin Oaks Drive (Modern Construction=$742,503)

The Galco news is interesting. This signals the death of the plan to build this apartment building on the SW corner of Robinson and Queen downtown.

It is as we have been expecting for the last year of so.

Ifyoubuildit · #**13713** Posted **Jul 16, 2024, 4:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Mayor Dawn Arnold's Facebook summary of today's city council meeting:

The Galco news is interesting. This signals the death of the plan to build this apartment building on the SW corner of Robinson and Queen downtown.

It is as we have been expecting for the last year of so.

I wonder what $742,000 of traffic calming measures entails on Twin Oaks? Seems like a lot of money for a speed bump or two?

MonctonRad · #**13714** Posted **Jul 16, 2024, 11:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ifyoubuildit

I wonder what $742,000 of traffic calming measures entails on Twin Oaks? Seems like a lot of money for a speed bump or two?

I expect the full panoply of traffic calming measures to be employed (especially for that price) - curb bump-outs, speed bumps and elevated pedestrian crosswalks, all in generous quantities.

I live in the general neighourhood, and the local citizenry has been quite irate about speeding along Twin Oaks. City council appears to be acquiescing to their concerns.

To be fair, speeding is a concern, but, this is because Twin Oaks is a weird "tweener" type of street - not a leafy cul de sac, but also not a collector.

Twin Oaks should have been at least a collector, if not an arterial. It should have extended through to Casino Drive and the TCH, and it's southern extension (Horsman Road) should extend to at least St. George Blvd, if not Salisbury Road. It should have been the western cousin of Dieppe Blvd. But, alas, while Dieppe Blvd has been designed appropriately for this roll (limited access with high density residential and commercial frontage) , the city squandered the opportunity to do the same with Twin Oaks.

Twin Oaks is wide, relatively straight, and could have served as a fine collector. Instead, the city is retrofitting it to become just another suburban street, which will only serve to further impede traffic flow and lead to increasing congestion.

MonctonRad · #**13715** Posted **Jul 16, 2024, 11:34 AM**

ADDENDUM:

Driving home last night, northbound traffic on Horsman was backed up from the Ryan Road roundabout as far back as the exit lane off of Berry Mills Road. This is just another example of how the city is failing to address worsening traffic issues in the north end. Horsman/Twin Oaks should have been designed as arterials. Twin Oaks should never have been allowed to develop as a standard residential street. This was pure folly.